Washington is not wrong in his point though

I should have clarified my position. @Zyzz is right in that striking while the iron is hot and keeping/matching the tempo in step with teeing up for a date. Yeah, I meant to say that if you get a reply, it's okay to wait a few minutes to respond and if she waits an hour or two to respond to yours, it's also okay to pace accordingly. Mix it up. Reply a minute later to one text and wait two hours for another. Keep them anticipating/curious

Yeah space responses out over a while but strike while the iron is hot

If she's responding right away, you can do the same

Also @Der Seeteufel - SD nice. I had a feeling she would respond

When you get her number you should call her

The reason why it works is because you made her qualify herself to you. Girls can't stand being compared to all other girls so when you said "almost every girl I've talked to on here says the same thing" it bothered her more than the actual generalizations you made. She also knows that the generalizations are true and wants something better.

I'm actually at work right now so I can't consistently go back and forth. If I was at home I'd message her back sooner. I'm going to lunch now so I'll send her another message.

@Der Seeteufel - SD what about the based Australian arranged marriage?

@Der Seeteufel - SD also @Zyzz gave a good breakdown of the kind of people you find on each app a few days ago.

@ThisIsChris we're still talking but she's back in Australia for now. Like I said I'm not actually looking for dates. I'm just doing it for the lols

That's a keeper.

Sooo as @Washington pointed out to me the other day.. tinder/Bumble have algorithms that sort you based in desirability (or something similar). I was searching the interwebz last night and came across a brilliant yet sinister idea. So my understanding of the algo is you can boost yourself by 1) getting a lot of right swipes and/or 2) swiping left on a lot of people. An easy way to boost yourself is to say you’re interested in both men and women. Now obv we will be left swiping on all the men but chances are those homos will be swiping right on guys like us. So it accomplishes both objectives of boosting our “desirability” through receiving right swipes and a healthy number of left swipes for us to appear more selective.

@Zyzz Not a bad idea, but the issue is there are more dudes than girls on there, so be prepared to see a lot of dudes and lots of dudes. Most important thing to do is swipe right selectively and swipe left on lower tier people on you as it places you in terms of desirability.

🤔

Any tips for improving tinder profile overall? I recently added a pic of me playing my violin and added my height to my bio, that seems to have helped some.

all pictures have implicit messaging, send the right messages

its really all about the pics man.. profile is a distant second

adding your height inparticular will help you @Attrition in the desert

Also, look fucking good

Yeah I really need to hit the gym and get abs again

@Attrition in the desert you and @John O -

Or hit the kitchen rather

pack on 30lbs of muscle and you will be different humans

Right? Haha

I forgot this was an official server. I almost went ham on my boy @Zyzz

if you need ideas on good pics, you can change your settings to see men , and go through what's good and what's not

also kinda funny to see your competition that way

@Deleted User whenever I see other guy's dating profiles, all I can think is how gay it all is

seriously, i cringe at 90% of all these dudes

sometimes you find the chads who have great image control though, the kind to learn from

https://nypost.com/2018/07/10/still-single-try-marrying-a-stranger-expert-says/

^ Better than Tinder.

tfw literal arranged marriages

Bergman?

Why is the top interest of so many women travel? A lot being international travel. Is it status signaling? When they talk so much about travel, it makes me think they would be unhappy in a stay-at-home-mother role.

@Tanner - SC It’s pitched in books/movies/music as a life/growth experience. People think it will make them a more accomplished and compassionate person.

things white girls like: puppies and traveling

literally everytime

"Tee hee I love to travel and eat pizza LOL I also looove dogs let's go on adventures I'm so quirky hahah no one else is like me teehee"

I have 42 matches 26 of them have almost that exact same profile.

I have 1500+ matches and they are all the same archetype and vapid

Damn Rural South Dakota is doing me wrong. I thought 42 was pretty good.

To be fair though the biggest town within 100 miles of me has a population of around 14,000.

Tinder is run by Jews btw. Also, Jews don't use Tinder they use their own ethnodating app called JDate.

AryanDate when?

IDATEity Evropa

Time to get JDate

https://www.whitedate.net/

@Attrition in the desert

Perfect

@missliterallywho unfortunately most of Europe is a dystopian hellhole too. Just got back from France and now super black pilled.

@Deleted User France... or Paris? Europe isn't so bad depending on the country.

@ThisIsChris we were in the Alsace region, Black Forest region of Germany, and Switzerland. Lots and lots of Africans and Arabs in Strasbourg.

When young single women refer to themselves as a “dog mom”, does that mean they’re pro-motherhood, just not yet with humans to mother?

It’s such an odd phrase to me, I don’t like the humanization of dogs.

Ambiguous. Could be a joke coming from anyone,

Or does it mean they’re content with dogs being surrogate children for them, forever?

Would have to have more context

Usually it means they're trying to replace children with pets, unless they're really young

It’s a way to channel maternal instinct without the responsibility of children. Honestly, to understand the psychological reasoning, just google “no children buzzfeed.” Spells it out in plain English. @Tanner - SC

Update to my online dating findings/guesses:
* Don’t send a “like” or a “wink”. That’s validation without content and is low-effort. It’s like submitting your resume to online job postings with no cover letter and no in-person networking. Very low success rate. It also doesn’t have the traditional feel of a man taking a risk and initiating contact. A “like” doesn’t mean much, even the neediest guy is likely undisturbed if he doesn’t get a “like” back. Sending a message is initiating a conversation, more relevant to physical courtship. When a woman doesn’t respond to a message, it’s a more real rejection. You as a man are putting yourself out there more with a message, without being more needy, more like being courageous/vulnerable.
* “Likes” are more for women to initiate interest with a man. Messages are more for men to initiate interest with a woman.
* Send a one-sentence question relevant to the woman’s profile. It shows that you actually read her profile, not just felt a twitch in your pants when looking at her pic. If she doesn’t have much information in her profile, she must not be serious about trying to find a serious date. Don’t introduce yourself, don’t say how you liked this part of her profile. Just ask her a question relevant to her background/interests to strike a conversation. Same as if you were at lunch with male coworkers and one of them mentioned their hobby or something and you’re looking to continue the conversation. Try to not be basic in your message. The question can be a joke, but doesn’t need to be. More than one sentence can appear overly invested for an initial contact.
* She gets a hundred “likes” each week. She only gets dozens of messages. She gets a single digit number of messages that are higher brow than “hey babe”. When she gets a higher brow message, she’ll likely be prompted to look at your profile. If she likes your profile, she’ll respond.

I absolutely agree, good point. Updated.

I am relieved I found my wife early in life before internet dating was a thing.

I need your help borthers. I have a date with a qt I met at the mall, (I thought she was wearing a generation identity shirt but it was actually a stylized overwatch logo, per the meme) she kinda seems like a twitch thot but seems pretty into me from texting a bit. Anyway we are going to a museum which I am worried will set off my autism any ideas on how to appear normal?

"just be yourself" - Chad

Sounds like a solid strategy

don't underestimate how much people like to talk about themselves lol. If you can ask the right questions, she'll go on forever

So I should try to strike a balance between getting the focus of the conversation on her without showing too much interest right? I've kind of heard that part both ways, in terms of being aloof or showing genuine interest.

@missliterallywho funny how women feel like that when they talk alot

Yet guys will ramble on and on without a thought, I wonder if it's women are just more aware of their effect on the surrounding environment, although why I don't know

The same way women will cover their mouth when chewing, I always find it funny in an odd way

They acknowledge their actions in the world around them, with a specific set of rules thats seem to apply only to them

Ive been on both sides of it, if we are talking about a topic I like and the girl seems intelligent then I usually am interested in what she is saying but ive also just nodded along when girls gab on , more so when its about somthing stupid, and the only reason to pay attention is cause shes cute. So then its fake

You seem more interested in how they brought you to speak so much and easily when normally you don't but maybe you hit a topic you enjoyed speaking about that normally you dont get a chance to talk about. Or maybe your just socially awkward hence you dont say much and when you are able to talk in a comfortable setting with a seemingly interested person you gab on

Which I can kind of speak from experience there because I use to do that.

Yea I do the same thing with strangers go way to into personal details, not sure why i was homeschooled maybe thats why. I dont know. But ive become alot less socially awkward thr older I get

But it's still there..haha

Haha

Thats a good thing in my mind

@Attrition in the desert update?

@ThisIsChris Going to a museum tomorrow. Texted a bit with some of the advice from you fine people, (getting her to talk about herself ect)

wholesome! have fun!

I'm in no position to give advice. Good luck!

Fresh OC from me:

My sister is working on setting me up with an old basketball friend who is 6'5". Talked with the girl's sister who said she'd probably be into it. She's never dated much because "1. She'll only date taller guys [I am 6'9"], but she doesn't like black guys."
BIG IF TRUE

Tall if true

I met her years ago when my sister and she played ball. But yes, 6'7" average relationship height if it works out.

IE eugenics program

sheesh

Marriage is for eugenics. Whatever you got, get more or get something good to go with it.

I was *sheeshing* at the heights, not the eugenics part 😉

Oh yeah. I'm a total freak. Shorter than me dad, though.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN bruh

Christ dude!

best of luck on your date

No date is arranged yet. Perhaps jinxing it... We'll see. I'm trying to get contacts and a haircut before the first meet up.
And back to church for at least a week or two. She's a pastor's daughter. -__-'
I read most of the New Testament this summer, and listen to the godcast weekly. So I'm pretty well versed in scripture.
That could be my biggest difficulty.

Don't want to be "that guy" that just goes to church for le trad waifu, though.

Project confidence

I have lost 35 lbs in seven weeks, thanks to keto and lifting.

I want to be "that guy"

If that means acquiring a trad waifu

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN good luck man. My gf isn't a pastor's daughter but she is pretty close considering her family is the only family in Australia who are members of my church and her father leads their Sunday worship services. Try to get on good terms with her father. It's really important for actual trad girls that you have the approval of their male family members.

@Der Seeteufel - SD Thanks, and absolutely. Going to do this slow and right if at all.

Definitely keep going to church too and don't feel bad for going just for a girl. If that's how the Holy Spirit got you in the door that was God's plan.

Any good places to find trad waifus (I can't believe I just typed that) besides church?

I feel like any relationship started through church would be a lie since I don't believe

@TMatthews In my opinion no.

@TMatthews Shooting clubs? I almost said "farmers market" or "rodeo" but then again those are weird places to try to start a conversation.

This is purely anecdotal but everyone I know who has an actual trad relationship started it in church. I'm not saying you can't find good girls elsewhere but it's a lot harder. I tried for many years before I finally gave in and asked my pastor for help and he literally found me my current gf in less than a month and she is perfect.

Damn bro, nice.

As far as not being a believer goes that doesn't really worry me. Most people aren't. Just go to church anyway. You don't have to lie to anyone just go and listen. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

It would be an implicit lie at a minimum to go through the process of pretending to be a Christian just to get a gf

I don't think it would be that bad to explain to the girl that you are struggling with having faith and want to embrace the sense of community that church offers.

Don't pretend to be a Christian. Go to church, listen, and take part in the community. Tell people what you are doing and why. Tell them you haven't been able to establish good relationships and that even though you aren't a believer you thought church would be a good place to start.

Blessed and Bread-pilled
^(don't say that IRL)

I suppose. I made a real effort at converting last fall. Tried praying every night and whatnot. Never felt anything. To be fair, I didn't go to a physical church, but I didn't have a car either

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN - I'm glad for you either way. Seems like you're pretty excited about this girl. If you're struggling or something feel free to reach out, whether for advice or just someone to listen. I've recently had a rather devastating split with a girl, and helping out other guys is really something that's made me feel better about it all.

@Aleis⊕ccidentalis Thanks. And I'm sorry to hear that. It's been about a year since my last break up. I'll keep you in the loop!
Although I haven't talked to this girl too much recently. She might be dumb. I hope not! Let's find out.

*Varg emoji*

@TMatthews I think you are looking at it the wrong way. You shouldn't be trying to "feel" something. God is in everything so trying to feel his presence is like a fish trying to feel wet. Participate in the fellowship of believers and you will see positive outcomes in your life.

Also these things take time. For some of the saints it took entire lifetimes to rationalize their faith.

Let's try to keep this thread on courtship in relation to church and not a theological discussion.

@Der Seeteufel - SD I think this is a widespread thing. People expect to see a vision or feel a voice. I dont' know if it's the media conditioning, or just shitty pastors, but it's a 'missing feeling' I've also dealt with.

@Attrition in the desert Understood. Sorry.

Ok. My advice for courtship is as follows. Step 1. Go to church. Step 2. Meet trad GF. Step 3. Trust God will take care of things. Step 4. At least 7 kids. (I'm going for 8)

I'm not even sure where I'd go to find a trad church. I've met girls through college republicans, but it's fair to say conservative doesn't really describe them in their personal lives. I guess that's to be expected when you're at a college in the northeast

@Der Seeteufel - SD Lofty goals. Good luck though. Always good to have more IE babies

@TMatthews I'm told the go-to are SSPX catholic, Orthodox, and Confessional Lutheran.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Also FSSP

SSPX aren’t Catholic

@SamanthaM I don't have any experience with them, I just hear about them on Fatherland and Godcast 😑

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priestly_Fraternity_of_Saint_Peter

@SamanthaM Thanks, I'll read up on them.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN. Normal Catholic works too and there are a lot more.

But my recommendation to meet people outside of church is to take night classes

I'm partial, of course, since I met my wife at one

What does Trad mean to you guys?

Barefoot and pregnant

That’s it?

oh and IN THE KITCHEN

I was mostly using it in the memtic sense.

okay shitposts aside

I think you mean “hobbled” and pregnant.

Well, I’m asking seriously.

Trad is an odd word that holds many connotations

At this point: not pozzed, not coalburned, wants kids and willing to take second-in-command when needed is good enough for me.

Although a good husband recognizes when his wife does know more.

What I generally mean when I use "Trad" is: Things that are generally tradition, but not explicitly, good for society essentially.

Sometimes I think a pro-white hippy would suit me more. But they seem even rarer.

No sex before marriage, no race mixing, actually try to be in it for life

I cannot find many “trad” guys either.

I think guys can easily be made trad

So many are leftist dummies.

Interesting

Yeah right @Deleted User Easier said than done.

I would imagine many guys would love to have a women like what I just described

Well, maybe that's a bad thing, cause that could just be him being anything you want, which means he's a bitch.

so idk

Especially considering that this movement is disproportionately male

Men are just as wrapped up in the dominant narratives as women.

@Jacob yeas, but I’m saying I’m a woman and haven’t come across many intelligent, passionate, pro white men.

But the things you guys listed seem totally reasonable. I think you just have to convince a woman to stay at home with the kids. Most women don’t want to work. Not deep down.

I understand life has messed up our heads. At 30+ with little money, I can't expect Aryan wheatfield standards when I was a turd in my 20s. I wouldn't demand virginity, but under four partners and no race mixing though.

@Deleted User to me trad means family oriented

Also at least mildly tradition minded, like at least mildly into religion and cultural/community holidays at least.

Basically how I think everyone would be most happy

Yes. That doesn’t seem like it should be too much to ask for.

@Deleted User yeah I don't think it's too hard to find people like this

I will say this, for what it’s worth as someone who ticks many of the boxes you all mentioned: The most important quality on a mate, at this point, is that they are willing to raise their white children with the truth, no matter what that takes. The pressure to be a lazy parent, to slip up and slack off, is in everyone. Find a woman that will do anything to keep the poz from touching her children.

That’s my only goal. No screen time, no token friends, no public education, no materialism.

@Deleted User I think that's more common than you think. Need to find people who don't watch TV and don't play video games. When you take those two timesucks away then there's not much people wind up spending their time on except raising their kids and doing community things

Yes, and I would take that a step farther: no friends who live with the poz either.

(hypothetical you in "you think")

@Deleted User yeah preferably. When people get older they spend very little time with their friends anyway though.

So the friends are less of an influence.

I think it's enough to just find the non-TV watcher above and start a life with her and you won't have to worry too much about her friends

Yes, but it’s the younger kids who are easily swayed until they are given a moral compass by us.

That's true

How oldish are you?

36

Probably will only get to have 2 kids at best

Ok cool, yeah I think after say 22ish that most people grow out of "hanging out watching MTV with their besties all night"

2 plus Ukrainian / Boer orphans

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN love that!

man I'm glad I'm in this young.

You are so lucky. All of you youngsters are.

@Deleted User born too late to explore the world, too early to explore the stars, but just in time to join IE

But @Deleted User when you are older you reach peak intelligence and clarity. It feels good.

born just in time to reawaken the European spirit tho eh? 👉 👉

Speaking of, happy Columbus day

I hope I haven't reached peak mental performance yet, eesh

I have atleast another 5 years in that department, not per say wisdom accumulation though

If I could give any advice, it would be not to waste one second. You’ve got the knowledge down. Now go see the world and have kids and be a fucking boss!

My only problem is financial, I'd love to have 4 kiddos, but I'm scared I won't be able to afford it

Do it. You will find the motivation.

To make money, I mean.

You know that’s a trap. Don’t fall for it.

Where are all the trad girls these days lol

Where might one acquire

See above ^. Church, I think.

tfw agnostic

Yah

IE brothers, recruit your sisters to join?

Lol.

Polygamy? 😬

He's basically asking collective manhood of IE if they've got a sister lol

No, What I meant was encourage single quality siblings to join IE

The only thing stopping I.E. from being a religiously-unaligned place that families can start is low membership.

We need to start a sorority.

Also I am tired of hearing my sister angst. She's 6'3" and can cook!

That’s gotta be rough for her!

Sadly she is a single mother (kid is white). And I understand what that means to most guys. And so does she. She has a very realistic, somber view. No pit mom THOT.

I’m 5’-9” and all the tall guys are taken

There have been talks of having an IE women's (I forget what the word was) before.

I think it would help recruitment to let them have (forgive the phrasing) a space. Where female pledges can just interact with women members and then join full I.E. when they want to.

As an option. Not separating the groups.

Yeah. I’m probably not typical, but I quit the women’s chat room.

Yeah,there is a whole women's server and all

We NEED to just do like the Jews and Indians and do arranged marriages.

It works

My mom is crazy though. I'd trust my dad.

Maybe sisters instead of mom.

I was thinking us. IE members.

When you join, you get the wife we give you. 😂

We then expect a child in 9 months.

lmao

Lol!

Maybe we can have an IE matchmakers program

Dang media, I can't help but think of (((musicals)))

https://youtu.be/Y0ShvQ2fhKM

Theatre is just a tool, a damn powerful one. imo

Look at them heebs

They’re so happy

If they kept to themselves they'd be amusing.

With their unique genetic defects and diseases.

oh gwaawd

I couldn’t figure out how to spell tay-sacs. Blew my joke.

I think I remember the word... Women's Auxiliary.

What's the likelihood that there are women on Tinder that aren't thots?

Low

I still have one, you never know

@Henrik Why bother with Tinder? The best use of Tinder is that it's a containment center for people you don't want to talk to

@Henrik join Match.com, tinder is the plague.

@Henrik Since no one has answered your question directly, I will attempt to. **0.00%**

I feel like there's such a broad spectrum and both the girls in the meme, especially the trad one are insanely rare in real life. Even girls who sleep around a lot usually prefer white guys, for example, and women can see the benefits of a trad lifestyle but simply not find the right guy immediately.

I think that's a little narrow on what's "trad"

Tbh I'll settle for anything non-degen as trad

yeah, plenty of high-agency women on the right that wouldn’t fit that image (not that raising kids isn’t high-agency)

we don’t need to all try to be as “trad” as possible, because we’re all normal people

being normal is trad lol