@Virgil first degree murder is bullshit tho

The left wing twitter accounts are picking that dude apart

@William Russell doesn't really matter.

The saddwst part is that cville is not an isolated situation.
This is the predominant case around the country

@ExternalPepsi Maybe, but there is certainly a strong manslaughter case here

@Virgil I could see that

@Virgil "Can't" does not mean "you wouldn't have done the same". Also, they "can't" be in the road during a State of Emergency--or at all

We can continue whining and moaning how it isn't fair...
OR we can start applying to these positions of power

@Goose thats literally the plan dude

Doesn't mean we can't talk about it rn

@ExternalPepsi i didn't get the memo <:sad:366743316475281408>

We just got word, it's not like it's been 2 weeks, geez

Goose will be governor of LA before you know it

Gibs pardons

We literally just got word of this less than an hour ago, it's understandable that we're all here pissed off

Honestly ladies and gents, there's not a whole lot we can do about the James Fields situation. We learned a great deal from that day and it's part of why our organization has survived through it all, as well as grown tremendously since then...both in numbers, as well as purpose and morals. Dwelling on his unfortunate situation isn't going to do much other than bother you individually.

His car reaches 60 mph in 6 seconds. He was premeditating to murder people, yet he only managed to reach 28 mph?

@⚡Clark⚡ this

Sometimes people need to be bothered by this stuff

Charlotesville is a *very* biased town as far as juries go. I have hope for the appeal.

Again = learned helplessness

Battered wife mentality

It's okay to be pissed

It's okay to be angry

Yes

You'd be a lifeless duldrum if not

Just don't do anything stupid

@Flint No I wouldn't have, and sure there is plenty of blame of blame to go around. But at the end of the day, he rammed a car into a crowd of bystanders , there is no way to justify that, reasonably.

Never get used to or accept injustice. I don’t think anyone really is, inside

Always gotta remember

@Virgil I'll hear you out when you get tested like he did

Lesson: IE is right about meme optics

I guess we're not supposed to get angry or be honest because "Blackpilling is gay"

@Virgil you sure as hell can't justify what's happening to him now either tho

Pledge knows what’s up

@Virgil when you fear for your life and feel the people are entrapping your car, then there is a reason.

Nahh man don’t hit people with cars

@Flint If I ever do something like that then I should face the consequences

not sure how this is any different than other cars we have seen hit protestors tho

@Virgil lol sure

@ExternalPepsi Agreed, he shouldn't get the death penalty, that's purely political and a gross miscarriage of justice

I guess we'll see if it is about cars or not when other cases are tried.

other than the not living part

@Virgil Nice to know you'd throw guys under the bus for being the victims of institutional collaboration with anarchists (half way joking here)

Even if there is a T-40 tank rolling down the street behind you. Don’t hit people with your car

@William Russell are you saying he didn’t fear for his life?

I’m saying he shouldn’t have been such a puss if he did

I think he hit over a dozen people

Like they were just there. They weren’t hitting his vehicle

...because his life was in danger, subjectively and probably objectively

guys who are saying "don't hit people with your car": thank you, we're now optically safe and discourage violence--now, can we get back to the grave injustice that was this sham trial?

Yes trail is sham lol

Who was the lawyer that tried to defend him but it was declared a conflict of interest?

and he braked when he realized what his impulse reaction, a reaction from primal instinct, wold result in

Imo manslaughter could have been construed as reasonable, since deaths resulting from unlawful assemblies in a state of emergency are (I believe) counted that way, if you interpret him as having not immediately dispersed (although we do know the truth about the state of emergency as well). But anything beyond manslaughter is without a shadow of a doubt political, and we have to come to terms with the political nature of the court system.

>declared conflict of interest
>the prosecutor and judge are fb friends
>the judge is fb friends with antifa

So “don’t run over people, duh” isn’t really fair

lol

Don’t run over people and expect to continue life normally

@Flint James Fields is not a good martyr. He killed and injured people, certainly his circumstances were unusual but he did what he did. Yes this trial was repugnant, but that does not serve as a retroactive justification for his actions.

'Dont hit people with your car' is the standard in theory and then reality hits with things like a negligent mechanic who made your brakes malfunction, antifa savages pointing firearms at you so you fear for your life, a literal state sponsored riot, and its now actually way harder

@MrBland - VA im looking for that right now

Thanks

Never forget this sham trial is being used to scare people from advocating for their interests.
Do not give in.
Get mad if you must, but use that energy to keep you going

“The don’t hit people with your car” is more ethical than legal

No one is advocating for hitting people with cars @William Russell

I know sorry if I portrayed it that way

Was it the Rutherford institute?

I understand you guys completely

Their greatest weapon is the blackpill, yet it's a weapon that we have the power to immediately disarm

@Virgil good martyr or not has nothing to do with what happened in this trial. JAF, whether you like it or not, is an avatar for *you*. Just like Trump is. How they get treated is how you *will* be treated next

The reason why the people were hit is what I important

Here's the article about his initial lawyers conflict of interest
https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/attorney-assigned-to-represent-fields-is-plaintiff-in-statue-removal/article_f68afefc-80fa-11e7-833a-93940dec663a.html

@Virgil if a communist points a weapon at you and you freak out and run away on foot and accidentally run into an old lady while turning a corner and she dies from broken bones, would you hold yourself not just civilly liable, but criminally guilty? I dont want to be harsh but there has to be a moral blame worthiness to justify criminal punishment, not just that an unfortunate accident happened.

There just needs to be varying perspectives otherwise we are just whining lol

I think the double standards have all of us more upset than fields's trial specifically.
Every system is designed to work against us, so what are you going to do about it?

If someone runs out in front of your car to get an Insurance claim, and they die, the driver is not at fault. So your perspective that hitting people with a car means automatically unethical, regardless, is retarded

If someone is pointing a gun at you an you flee and hit someone and they die, you should NOT get sentenced to life.

To argue against that is sad

I’m about to eat some pizza

Good talk

And consider Deandre Harris: $150,000+ given to him and walks scott free

Thanks for the article it isn't what I thought.

Yeah it seems reasonable

Remember that Kate Steinle's murderer was entirely acquitted on charges of murder AND manslaughter. They can decide anything they want

I thought it was a pro-alt lawyer but it looks like it was just a public defender involved in other cases

This makes me so pissed

It's all so tiresome

Guys, we all know the times in which we live.

The verdict shouldn't be surprising.

-Use this a fuel to become a better man, so that we may one day be worthy as leaders

@Flint money well spent https://youtu.be/xdiJlRvSkQ8

Best thing to do with this: push far and wide to white people how this same thing will happen to them (explain the details of it to bypass the hurrdurr car attack meme)

Worst thing to do: let this become normalized in your mind and give in to learned helplessness (as much of the Right has done concerning soc media censorsip)

Didn't he blow all that money almost instantly on stupid crap?

People get sentenced wrongfully. It happens. But this goes beyond bad Justice. A show trial, completely motivated by political and antiwhite bias

Car/shoes/other dindu accessories.

Frog continues to boil.

We must remain focused on our long term goals.

-Become worthy
-Gain influence
-Change our world in practical ways

Let's also not do rallies and focus on vanilla fraternity stuff. Every time BLM or hard leftists do a rally and fuck shit up it makes the right side of the spectrum more attractive to normal people

And got pulled over shortly after and had a gun and big bag of weed on him--still no charges. He's one of their saints

@Tyler0317 Our long term goals need short term goals as well

@Asatru Artist - MD thats his music video. He's back in jail already for unrelated charges.

Thinking we can accomplish anything long term while losing on every front in the short term is untenable--as I'm sure we all know

@Flint We're not losing on all fronts

@Sacramento lots of big truths In there. Be safe lol.

I was never the same.

We've made massive waves in public consciousness.

We have Tucker normalizing 80% of our talking points.

We're gonna win, fam.

Although the organization shouldnt take a public stance on all this due to multiple complications, we as individuals should be using it to the max in our personal lives

@Flint @TylerHess I already pointed out that the trial was a gross miscarriage of justice. I don't agree with the verdict, but let's not use it for an excuse for a lack of self control in intense situations. I'm afraid that people on our side if the fence, are going to expend huge amounts of political capital to defend Fields by making him a martyr and that's a grave mistake.

It’s a mistake because it’s already over and failed

We're on the edge of it, tbh. Certain states turning blue soon, soc media bans, political rally gatherings banned, frivolous law suits, frivolous crimes, FBI taking Antifa's role. Yes, we are gaining the white conscience, but what are we expecting them to do that we aren't allowed to do?

Cville, altright, etc

Expending political capital on James field is useless, they already won that war.

I think that many of us (myself included) fail to realize just how much of early adopters we truly are.

All of us in this org are WAY ahead of the curve.

Don’t do things unless you’re prepared and certain you’ll win. Cville was a loss before it happened

My thought: we think white's becoming aware will lead them to do something we aren't capable of (legally, legislatively, etc). I'm stuck wondering what exactly that is

We have arrived at conclusions that millions of our people will soon(hopefully) arrive upon.

@Flint Are you me? lol

-Take back universities?
-Take back entertainment?
-Take back social media?
-Take back MSM news?

@Sacramento is that Henry fords book?

The orgs position that we shouldn’t waste political capital on JAF is the correct position for strategy

@Flint We gain our sense of collective consciousness, and everything falls into gear.

@Asatru Artist - MD The altright already conceded over a year ago as a movement

You think you can take it back out of the lions jaws?

@⚡Clark⚡ Agreed. Alt right was a bridge to nowhere

@Tyler0317 never forget our opponents' #1 tool is demoralization

i don't care about the alt-right, i just don't want to keep giving up on our people simply because "they won that fight"

Demoralization worked on breaking the movement within a week after cville @Goose

This isn’t being demoralized. We’re still here

I thought their number one tool was "winning"?

RIP

@Tyler0317 I respect the sentiment, but I need more clarity on what the "everything falls into gear" part entails, you know what I mean?

????
Profit!

Oh god so it’s opposition research or just checking it out @Sacramento

And it's reliant on a lot of "ifs" and unkown variables. We need short term goals, like getting back on social media, equal justice for us and antifa, etc

Ups and downs, my bros.

We're making real gains in public consciousness.

Are we winning as fast as we'd like? Of course not.

The ride continues

We have no other choice

If you're not in this to win what are you here for

@Flint We can't plan for specific moments in time.

All we can do is be prepared to capitalize on opportunities as they arrive.

Goals:
Focus on our personal, and collective preparation.

Fellas there are other positive results from all of this aside from totally victory. We are normalizing explicit white advocacy for our posterity in any case.

Very important stuff

There is such a thing as doing your best and giving yourself to a cause because it is the only moral one, regardless of likelihood of success or one's likelihood to see such.

One of the major beefs our founders had with the britcucks was show trials of colonists, thats why we have the ancient athenian custom of trial by a jury of ones peers. We should be arguing that with multiculturalism and libtars thats an impossibility, because nonwhites will always find their own innocent and us of being guilty while a subversive judge looks on, so we might as well be tried by foreign nationals. This is totally congruent with american nationalism and demographic decline, nothing esoteric or spergy.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Agreed.

Do what's right, for it's own sake

@VinceChaos I was reading through it. Doesn't seem political at all. It's actually quite a boring read. I need to find some books for her though, all of mine are nonfiction and she likes fiction. I remember reading some African book in HS and it made me dislike Africans more

Likelihood of success? We have to make this happen

Reminder that Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor ruled in favor of affirmative action citing not the law, but her personal experience benefiting from it

We need to take over an area. We need our Charlottesville. A place where we have our judges, our school boards, our sheriffs. We need to repeat what the Mormons did too Utah.

Montana ethnostate when?

@TMatthews yet another "natural conservative" in action

@MrBland - VA That area needs to have ocean access.

@Tyler0317 ^^^

or a river that can easily connect to the ocean

large enough for ships

@MrBland - VA That happened in Ruby Ridge and Waco--if the FBI went after the Proud Boys, how much more so a colony of us?
What we need is to get our rights back: speech and the freedom of assembly

We're mute and blind trying to fight like this, it should be our number 1 short term goal

I mean the Butler Plan (PNW) or the Northern New England or Applachian pro-white consolidation strategies have been floated for years. Obstacles have been glow in the dark meddling and/or bad leadership

I hear you, but I don't think we can win without power in the system. We can get that with consolidation. The Jews do it, perhaps we should be taking notes.

1. Social media censorship
2. Right to assemble
3. Law and order restored (concerning Antifa)

@Rabbidsith hey, bud. there is a reason we don't allow regular members to ping the entire server.

@Papa Pizzagate sorry

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I didn't go out btw. It doesn't allow it.

You good.

Without those 3 things, we are flying blind, crippled, and mute

@Flint We can choose a better martyr than Charlottesville.

And how, we need judges and juries on our side.

The way I see it, we didn't choose him--but that's who we got.

@Flint There's a rule for politics, don't fight wars that you can't win and don't raise your flag for asinine causes.

JAF = you. Trump = you. Doesn't matter how you see it, it's how they see it.

Hate speech laws and declaring "racism is a mental illness" (for purpose of 2A right suspension) will be pushed in the next administration.

A miscarriage of justice for him leads to a miscarriage of justice for you

Right.. but you’re not trying to appeal to them, you’re trying to appeal to trumpers @Flint

@Flint JAF is not myself. There's no point in turning him into a martyr.

@Flint Don't be absurd.

@Flint I agree that it's a miscarriage of justice.

However, turning him into a martyr is a bad idea optics wise.

It's a battle that we cannot win.

It matters how trumpers see it

@Papa Pizzagate You'll have to be more specific

Then change how they see it.

JAF is us, lololololol

He is. how do you think Cville sees IE? We're currently wrapped up there legally, btw

>the left see' Fields as they see Trump as they see all white people

Then theymust be unhinged.

@Flint Our enemies can see me however they like.

The home office is coming together rather well

Not you, they. sry

Neat painting!

Whiteness is violence to them

Only to the most radical.

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN fiancée made that

@CarletonJ That's a keeper!!

90% of regular white people are turned off by that kind of rhetoric, including my liberal mother.

@Papa Pizzagate Do they speak differently of us? I see the same language used. Just the other week local police in NY put IE stickers in an *evidence bag*

@Flint While I absolutely agree that the Left is unhinged. It's useless to try and get them.

they are too far lost

@Flint whoa got an article on that?

I didn't mean the left

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN give me a sec

A country where half the citizens believe that sharing Hitler memes justifies the death penalty and the other half are sharing Hitler memes is in for a rough ride.

@Flint I don't think that we should try to include JAF as /our/guy.

@Flint don't be so reactionary, bro. It's all for show. Evidence bag -> calm down the local liberals -> nothing happens.

it's a bad idea

@Rabbidsith You shouldn't because he isn't.

@Sacramento might have been the one the lion king is loosely based on.....just get her camp of the saints lol

@Undercover Academic - IL get innawoods. cities aren't worth the higher wages

We have to make the entire left appear as “whiteness is violence” supporters, and normie whites as cowardly for not standing up for themselves

@CarletonJ it’s not January lol

@Papa Pizzagate Good. However, supporting him as a martyr is a bad idea. We should distance ourselves as much as possible from c'ville.

Our number one priority should be slowing/defeating neoliberalism and globalism. Everything we're experiencing is a result of that ideology.

@Papa Pizzagate I agree.

@Papa Pizzagate how do you do tat?

@Rabbidsith I'm not throwing him under the bus because you don't find him worthy of defense. He was at the same rally as many of us for the same reasons

Do not talk about that California group

@Flint I do find him worthy of defense.

@Flint I'm just saying that it's a bad idea in the long term.

@VinceChaos haha new calendar

@Flint What happened to him was tragic. He should have never been convicted. However, it's not practical to take him up as a cause unless the goal of this organization shifts to balkanization.

@⚡Clark⚡ our first priority is growing as an org - but we should seek to gain power in all of it's forms.

Could really use a government shutdown over wall funding right about now...

Who am I supposed to call when I found syringes? I tried the fire department twice but they haven't come

@Sacramento The police?

call your local station

@Rabbidsith So if one of us ever finds himself in a bad situation--despite our best efforts to avoid it--our guys here would abandon him because he looks bad? I'm not comfortable with that and I doubt many others are either

Fields wasn't one of us

Growing this org is indeed essential. @Papa Pizzagate

@Flint I'm not comfortable with that either. However, If I did something stupid, then I would expect and demand that the organization distance itself from me.

@Flint If I did something like that, then I would publically disavow IE to save it.

@Rabbidsith you are a great person thank you

@TMatthews Was he at the same rally as us? Yes. Wearing the same thing as us? Yes. Supporting the same thing as us? Yes. Are we wrapped up in a suit in Cville as well? Yes.

Avoid it all you want, the situation is already there

@DairyMaxx Np. Thanks.

@Rabbidsith Disavowing after the fact doesn't change anything

Whats even the point of trying to "distance" ourselves from him? Literally no one outside the movement can see the nuance.

@Flint It does.

@Flint Disavowing after the fact is exactly what the Left does all the time.

We don't get the same luxury

@Flint In fact, that's their entire ideological justification for existence.

@Flint On the contrary, we do. Look at Rules for Radicals.

@Flint What happened to JF was undoubtedly a miscarriage of justice and is representative of the anarcho-tyranny that is the American legal system today.

That said, we as IE cannot change the verdict. We have done a great deal to distance ourselves from UTR (which is why the spergs call us opticscucks). We should not waste limited capital on a cause that would only serve to undo our progress under Patrick.

Cville ruined many lives. It was a loss. Focusing our energy on the POWs isn’t an effective strategy for victory @Flint

@TMatthews I agree.

Furthermore, if the wider right finds out we've cast JAF away because we want to protect ourselves from scrutiny --expect them to cast us away

@Flint They already have.

@Flint who cares about the wider right?

@Flint Good. The wider right is a bunch of cucks.

We have to have the balls to stand up for people getting railroaded by an antiwhite justice system

@Flint We also have to ensure that we are effective in our endeavors.