#safety_planning (Discord ID: 321395356216590347) in Charlottesville 2.0, page 3

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2017-07-12 03:23:32 UTC

MG, helmet, and shield would be better yet

2017-07-15 01:29:58 UTC

@everyone I talked to the police captain that is in charge of all the police pieces on the ground. She (yes) is very professional amd is taking this very seriously. She has a proposal for how CPD is going to set up that she is going to send me a map of. She is going to want to communicate directly with @Heinz - MI regarding security of the event as a whole. I gave her a basic idea of how I expect his guys will be operating amd what their role will be. I gave her a run down of the ROE that Im putting out for everyone. I will have more to put out tomorrow after i have the map of her proposed set up.

2017-07-15 01:30:40 UTC


2017-07-15 01:32:33 UTC

Also, we are working out arrangements for the individual security teams. There will either be a secured, designated drop off point, or they will have a secured location to park vehicles. This hasnt been conpletely worked out yet, but Im expecting the finished product to be effective.

2017-07-15 01:32:42 UTC


2017-07-15 01:37:57 UTC

I've been getting hundreds of threats from black twitter the past few days, I'm wondering if I should come after all? I'm worried about being recognized before I get to you guys. We had planned to park and take a bus into the city center but my husband has to split up and take the kids somewhere away from the event so I will be alone between then and when I get to y'all.

2017-07-15 01:39:24 UTC

I'm sure we can get some gentlemen to escort you if need be, you'll be in good company, Black Twitter is just trying to scare you from coming.

2017-07-15 01:39:57 UTC

@Ayla just hop in my 15 passenger hate van. You'd be safe with us.

2017-07-15 01:40:43 UTC

Ok, DM me so we can plan where to meet up and when.

2017-07-15 01:51:11 UTC

How did you piss off black twitter?

2017-07-15 01:52:02 UTC

@I'm Not Sam Hyde being white.

2017-07-15 01:53:12 UTC

I compared Beyoncรฉ to kool aid.

2017-07-15 01:53:24 UTC


2017-07-15 01:54:26 UTC

I honestly wasn't trying to be racist, it was a commentary on how they worship her

2017-07-15 01:54:47 UTC

@Ayla Don't insult Kool Aid

2017-07-15 01:54:52 UTC

I think we have enough ex pipe hitting, hard charging, door kickers to make black twitter a non-issue.

2017-07-15 01:54:53 UTC

I like Kool Aid

2017-07-15 01:55:00 UTC

Was it purple kool aid?

2017-07-15 01:55:27 UTC

No, it wasn't purple ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

2017-07-15 01:55:59 UTC

(We should probably take this to general before we get in trouble for clogging up the safety channel)

2017-07-15 02:17:52 UTC

@Ayla there will be a shuttle system to and from the park

2017-07-15 02:57:35 UTC

@Ayla @Athena Marie I'll be working out a plan to have a designated shuttle for the women who attend the rally standing by incase things get a little crazy. Don't worry.

2017-07-15 02:58:18 UTC

Ok, sounds perfect!

2017-07-16 10:57:47 UTC

@Erika my grl is bringing first aid stuff but she needs to know what to get. hit up Lurlina please or drop a text/pdf in the chat? She will pm once she can but has to sleep and work ATM and I have to get the stuff ahead of time or any supplies needed.

2017-07-16 10:59:04 UTC

Water/Bandages/Tape obviously on list. Also any females who are actually attending the main rally without pepper spray pm her and we will bring some for you.

2017-07-16 17:40:10 UTC

Do you guys need any non-shield oriented security?

2017-07-16 17:41:23 UTC

Vanguard TX will bring our shields. We have about 10

2017-07-16 17:45:36 UTC

We will need plain clothes spotters on the street corners advising us on any antifa shenanigans.

2017-07-16 17:46:17 UTC

@RCO Nick-TX That's fantastic! We will be putting out a video shortly on the tactics and commands we will be using for our guys.

2017-07-16 17:47:24 UTC

I will say this @Americana - MD is prior service like a bunch of us in VA are and he can be really helpful

2017-07-16 17:50:37 UTC

@Heinz - MI looks like we have some more. Around 15. We will bring them all

2017-07-16 17:55:38 UTC

That will be great. Right now the biggest priority is getting people for the shield wall.

2017-07-16 17:57:15 UTC

We will have plenty of young fit motivated men from VA ready and willing.

2017-07-16 17:57:41 UTC


2017-07-16 17:57:55 UTC


2017-07-16 18:00:31 UTC

That looks great

2017-07-16 18:00:53 UTC

The more people we get, the more effective we will become.

2017-07-16 18:01:41 UTC


2017-07-16 18:02:37 UTC

Tfw no shield

2017-07-16 18:02:56 UTC

But feel as though I could be more combat effective without

2017-07-16 18:04:26 UTC

You could always make one. We will also need someone to organize groups of people to fill in gaps where they may form and get people to cover flanks.

2017-07-16 18:07:52 UTC

@Americana - MD Were bringing 15. Give Phil some lead time and he can make more and leave them with your guys.

2017-07-16 18:08:04 UTC

That would be awesome

2017-07-16 18:09:45 UTC

I'll talk to him.

2017-07-16 20:54:16 UTC

I would like to volunteer myself and 2 others for any security needed. We are military and security experienced. Ill be bringing a shield as well. Let me know if needed and whatnot so we can plan accordingly.

2017-07-16 22:43:29 UTC
2017-07-17 19:06:45 UTC

What's realistically the worst case scenario in terms of violence for this event? A battle of Berkeley type situation? I'm just thinking that this is the first time that the crazies have an opportunity to target all of us (or at least a big number of us) in one place. I'm not as concerned about Antifa as a group, but more about the potential for one "lone wolf" to show up there with a gun.

2017-07-17 19:51:09 UTC

A couple goys and I will be escorting Pax to and from the event. Anything we should know? We have a Chevy Tahoe and plan on parking and walking in.

2017-07-17 20:14:24 UTC

@Heinz - MI is in charge of general security. Have you guys done PSD work before?

2017-07-17 20:54:27 UTC

Some have. I'll shoot him a message

2017-07-17 23:29:01 UTC

Who is in charge of S-4?

2017-07-18 19:44:24 UTC


2017-07-18 20:59:07 UTC

@Heinz - MI considering your name, I've a little disappointed that you guys aren't bringing panzers...

2017-07-18 21:14:28 UTC

Wait... is no panzers a rule? Or just like.. a suggestion?

2017-07-19 00:00:16 UTC

I am pro-Panzer

2017-07-19 02:14:53 UTC

Here's a simple security plan proposal. Those on the shield wall should not be armed with any firearm. There should be roving armed security scanning the crowd for any potential armed threats and an inner layer of armed PSD for VIPs. Simple and effective.

2017-07-19 02:20:29 UTC
2017-07-19 02:38:09 UTC

Everyone should be carrying an IFAK.

2017-07-19 02:38:21 UTC

Remeber your IFAK is for you, not someone else.

2017-07-19 02:44:21 UTC

like the tourniquet we all had to carry in our left ankle pockets in Iraq & Afghanistan

2017-07-19 02:46:46 UTC


2017-07-19 02:46:57 UTC

*LEft Shoulder Pocket

2017-07-19 02:47:00 UTC

that was like an army wide SOP

2017-07-19 02:47:08 UTC

my unit was ankle pocket

2017-07-19 02:47:18 UTC

no, we carried them in our ankle pocket.

2017-07-19 02:47:28 UTC

Yeah, we carried them in our shoulder pocket

2017-07-19 02:47:30 UTC

some units did shoulder I have heard that before

2017-07-19 02:47:54 UTC

maybe...we had more important stuff in our shoulder pockets...but that's aviation ๐Ÿ˜›

2017-07-19 02:48:16 UTC

IFAKs are a personal choice, the DRW will all have them and we suggest them for everyone else

2017-07-19 02:48:19 UTC

Tourniquet in one dip in the other?

2017-07-19 02:48:34 UTC

smokes in one, PAX list in the other LOL

2017-07-19 02:48:50 UTC

I hated flying with you fucks

2017-07-19 02:48:56 UTC

"When we go down..."

2017-07-19 02:49:00 UTC

Wait, nigger what...?

2017-07-19 02:49:06 UTC


2017-07-19 02:49:53 UTC

I loved giving my PAX speech: "The fire extinguisher is for putting out people fires, not the helicopter. The fire ax is for cutting holes in the walls to escape, not for stealing as a souvenir"

2017-07-19 14:09:02 UTC


2017-07-19 14:11:13 UTC

There's been a recent idea from the left to attempt to get the permit revoked based on threats of violence "supposedly" coming from our side

2017-07-19 14:14:58 UTC

yeah theres a whole article from them chock full of the screenshots with that oathcuck

2017-07-19 14:27:58 UTC

@London MA my understanding is that Jason took care of him.

2017-07-19 14:37:10 UTC

Ok ๐Ÿ‘Œ

2017-07-19 17:34:08 UTC

If they get it shut down it will be all the better

2017-07-19 17:34:23 UTC

They think they are fighting us but they are fighting deterministic reality itself

2017-07-19 17:34:57 UTC

This isn't the result of "racism" or "sexism" or "reactionism" and has nothing to do with Whig history. This is the return of the base.

2017-07-19 17:35:17 UTC

Fuck the Overton Window, we are shattering that shit, they don't even realize it.

2017-07-19 17:36:17 UTC

The more they fight us in this, the stronger and harder it is going to come about.

2017-07-19 17:58:44 UTC

Natural order shall be restored๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

2017-07-22 18:12:33 UTC

Hey @Azzmador is there a single poc for all the stormer guys regarding security planning?

2017-07-23 01:08:21 UTC
2017-07-23 01:24:19 UTC

@Hand Banana Stormer book clubs are highly decentralized by design. Even at the local level they are a loose association of individuals. A few small groups here or there may be mobilized, but any actions for them might as well be addressed to the event at large.

2017-07-23 01:37:23 UTC

Alright well if the Stormjer guys are bringing shields and want to hold a perimeter have them get in contact with @Heinz - MI

2017-07-23 12:37:12 UTC

Are there some sort of guidelines for IRL vetting, so that ourguys aren't giving intel to any antifa types who may come in plain clothes and try to infiltrate? Cville 1.0 had a lot of people talking to people they didn't know about personal info/after parties/ etc. but since it was a surprise rally with less people and a more cohesive dress code, it was easier to know what side everyone was on.

2017-07-23 12:50:28 UTC

^^^She makes good points. After a shower and even without a shave some Antifa sympathizing college student might be capable of passing for one of us.

2017-07-23 13:03:28 UTC

Keep in mind also, this may be the first IRL event some people are attending. Even people who are very careful about how much info they give out about themselves online often slip up in real time.

2017-07-23 13:53:48 UTC

most events are people first ... we grew so fast ... its gunna have alot of growing pains ... as for figuring out whos good or bad we really need to start having more localish evennts

2017-07-23 15:07:29 UTC

^^^Absolutely correct! ^^^

2017-07-23 16:44:03 UTC

Not rockett science - thats why we have armbands

2017-07-23 16:44:55 UTC

I think she was referring more to infiltration and HUMINT operatives

2017-07-23 22:35:42 UTC

Its easy. Don't give out any info, if people have questions tell them to check the discord

2017-07-23 23:57:52 UTC

^^^ That should be pinned and part of the information dismenated to everyone

2017-07-26 13:45:45 UTC


2017-07-26 20:32:33 UTC

I'm guessing I should buy the insurance on the Enterprise rental car?

2017-07-26 20:57:23 UTC

PSA for anyone booking car rentals with AmEx cards:
I get many won't be doing this because of opsec, but for those who do, many AmEx cards will insure the car you rent if paid with that card.

2017-07-26 20:59:25 UTC

(Had the unfortunate opportunity to use this one when a rental was damaged on vacation; it was a very smooth process submitting the claim after the fact with AmEx)

2017-07-26 20:59:43 UTC

It'll save ya a few shekels on buying insurance from the rental company.

2017-07-26 21:27:52 UTC

There has been a credible threat on Richard's safety. Please take this seriously!!!

2017-07-28 20:12:15 UTC

So I'm bringing two advanced EMTs with me, not licensed in VA though. Is there any coordinated medical staff I can put them in touch with?

2017-07-29 08:21:32 UTC

@Stannisthemannis I've not gotten any response on a medic team. I'm just waiting until closer to the date. I'm a nurse licensed and working in Virginia, though I'm a woman, I would still like to help with the medic team and haven't really gotten any direction. Since you're a guy maybe they'll give you an invite for the medic chat.

2017-07-29 10:26:46 UTC

@Edelweiss we're working on it

2017-07-29 16:08:46 UTC

@Edelweiss if you still havent gotten into it maybe ask in the mod help channel?

2017-07-30 14:47:08 UTC

A guide to buying and retrofitting PASGT helmets.


2017-07-30 14:47:32 UTC

<@&321389548984729600> pin pls

2017-07-30 14:49:51 UTC

2017-07-30 17:42:30 UTC

They make riot shields for pasgts too

2017-07-30 17:43:21 UTC
2017-07-30 20:43:12 UTC

Ugh... my head is just over 25" around and just over 9" in depth

2017-07-30 20:43:25 UTC

I always have a difficult time with hats and helmets

2017-07-30 20:54:56 UTC

Ha! Mine too

2017-07-31 10:30:41 UTC

Reminder that if you're arrested, even if you didn't do anything wrong

2017-08-01 17:57:49 UTC

Buy these, and give them out to everybody on the frontlines at Charlottesville.

2017-08-01 18:23:40 UTC

With what money?

2017-08-01 22:29:07 UTC

How many hundreds of these can you take on at once?


2017-08-01 22:35:17 UTC

Wtf is that

2017-08-01 22:58:07 UTC

I could take 10-12

2017-08-01 22:58:11 UTC

No more than that

2017-08-01 22:58:18 UTC

Even weak aids faggs have strength in numbers

2017-08-01 23:03:53 UTC

@Hand Banana you only need 2 bullets each

2017-08-01 23:04:01 UTC

I'm talking hand to hand

2017-08-01 23:04:09 UTC

With a gun its a lot more

2017-08-01 23:04:59 UTC

ehh fuck that, if its a fight I will certainly be scared for my life.

2017-08-01 23:26:03 UTC

dozens of these shrieking goblins come over the hill you better hope your sword arm isn't flabby

2017-08-01 23:36:35 UTC

There is no scenario in which using a firearm at Lee park will end well haha

2017-08-01 23:46:34 UTC

They forgot to put it in the oven

2017-08-01 23:46:44 UTC

And I'm not talking about the cake

2017-08-02 23:53:46 UTC

@khaos156-WV Is your girl still looking for first aid gear? "Mylanta" is good if you're hit by mace or bear spray. Not sure what it is... someone told me about it.

2017-08-03 17:21:09 UTC

Make sure you got your Mylanta for when you get stabbed with a knife.

2017-08-03 18:02:16 UTC

And bandaids for when you get pepper sprayed ๐Ÿคฃ

2017-08-04 01:23:40 UTC

This where you volunteer to help with overall security? <@&321389548984729600>

2017-08-04 01:50:09 UTC

We don't need anymore help with that.

2017-08-04 01:50:20 UTC

We need help in non-combat roles.

2017-08-04 01:51:24 UTC

๐Ÿค” Antifa claiming 4k, but alright. I'll help wherever.

2017-08-04 01:52:05 UTC

rahowa isnt going to happen in cville next week

2017-08-04 01:52:32 UTC

We need help getting people safely to and from the vent right now

2017-08-04 01:53:16 UTC

Don't mind doing a ride along or helping there. I'm just not driving.

2017-08-04 01:54:55 UTC

Just let me know where I can get in and help if there's something like that you need.

2017-08-04 01:56:53 UTC


2017-08-04 01:57:15 UTC

Thx Fox.

2017-08-04 02:00:30 UTC

Will there be any special considerations for people who will be at the park early the day of, theres a few anticom guys who are going and i want to make sure we're doing everything we can to stay safe during that time.

2017-08-04 02:07:40 UTC

@VenusFrรถst good question. There are convoy logistics being coordinated and will be put out before the event to make sure everyone is aware of the safe options they have to attend.

2017-08-04 02:11:38 UTC


2017-08-04 02:28:18 UTC

@Heinz - MI Has anyone made progress towards selecting plain clothes comms people? I have a candidate.

2017-08-04 03:08:15 UTC


2017-08-04 03:08:27 UTC

I'm looking for 2-3 more teams

2017-08-04 10:34:32 UTC

@VenusFrรถst anyone who arrives at the AO prior to the main force does so at their own risk.

2017-08-04 16:22:35 UTC

Yeah just dont be there early

2017-08-04 16:22:37 UTC


2017-08-04 16:56:14 UTC

Getting there early wont do anything besides give them incentive to start the day off on the wrong foot.

2017-08-04 16:56:41 UTC

They are apt go chimp on a small group and once they get going they wont stop.

2017-08-04 16:56:59 UTC

If we show up all at the same time they will be intimidated.

2017-08-04 17:47:43 UTC

@HueTheHand how early?

2017-08-04 17:48:09 UTC

@HueTheHand one of you should just pretend to be retarded, and a couple of goys could pretend to be his wrangler.

2017-08-04 17:48:21 UTC

Easy espionage.

2017-08-04 17:48:59 UTC


2017-08-04 17:49:24 UTC

@Kurt set you a DM

2017-08-04 17:49:55 UTC

Be careful, if they catch you recording with a fashy haircut you might need to pop smoke

2017-08-04 21:18:42 UTC

Do not arrive early.

2017-08-04 21:18:50 UTC

You're just going to get jumped.

2017-08-04 21:18:58 UTC

Please stop being retarded.

2017-08-04 21:29:11 UTC

Wear a che shirt if you go early

2017-08-04 21:29:35 UTC

And plan on getting jumped either way

2017-08-04 21:35:16 UTC

Lol. Screen print a Che shirt featuring his well-known quote regarding the Negro.

2017-08-04 23:19:00 UTC

@Hand Banana how early is "early"? What about Kessler's announcement of being there by 9 (or earlier) to lay claim to the space?

2017-08-04 23:22:32 UTC

Dont do that

2017-08-04 23:22:50 UTC

Thats stupid and you'll just cause issues or get jumped

2017-08-05 00:07:19 UTC

Obviously no one should go alone

2017-08-05 00:25:30 UTC

Am I being unclear?

2017-08-05 00:25:34 UTC

Do not show up early.

2017-08-05 00:25:42 UTC
2017-08-05 00:43:11 UTC

I'm going to try and talk to the principal about it again but he has final say.

2017-08-05 01:07:03 UTC

You are not showing up early

2017-08-05 01:10:34 UTC

You got it. Should that announcement be considered obsolete info?

2017-08-05 01:13:36 UTC


2017-08-05 01:43:15 UTC

Sorry I go where my principal goes if he insists I'm not going to say fuck you kid you are on your own.

2017-08-05 01:43:44 UTC

But I think I have him convinced not to go but still

2017-08-05 15:00:29 UTC

Regardless it sounds like we need to get all organizers on board with a set time everyone should show up. Mixed messages are bad

2017-08-05 15:33:00 UTC

Dont show up early.

2017-08-05 16:30:31 UTC


2017-08-05 16:47:39 UTC

When will places/times to meet up be released then? I'm looking for the best places to keep my vehicle from being vandalised

2017-08-05 16:49:00 UTC

@โœ  Deus Vult โœ  you are going to literally be surrounded by Vandals. Preventing Vandalism is pretty much not an option at this point.

2017-08-05 17:07:12 UTC

Vandal Nationalism

2017-08-05 19:31:00 UTC

Don't show up early โ€“ copy that. What about the strategy message to secure the park at 9am?

2017-08-05 20:07:38 UTC

How many times

2017-08-05 20:07:49 UTC

Does "dont show up early" need to be said

2017-08-05 20:56:49 UTC

That announcement should be deleted or revised

2017-08-05 20:59:49 UTC

Yes it should

2017-08-05 21:00:01 UTC
2017-08-05 23:07:57 UTC

So how early should I be there? 7AM?

2017-08-05 23:20:04 UTC

I thinking maybe a 4-6am arrival

2017-08-05 23:23:29 UTC


2017-08-05 23:23:42 UTC

Is this no longer the case?

2017-08-05 23:24:41 UTC


2017-08-05 23:24:49 UTC

@Hand Banana wanna address this?

2017-08-05 23:27:33 UTC

I'm not arguing against not showing up early. Just trying to confirm the actual coordinated arrival time.

2017-08-05 23:31:32 UTC

I was going to let @Hand Banana address this since I was thinking you guys are sperging but there will be a logistics order put out on thursday with the specific time for arrival. Please be patient.

2017-08-05 23:40:13 UTC
2017-08-06 00:04:43 UTC

What's important is that security will be on-site early enough to guarantee that we'll have the space

2017-08-06 00:05:05 UTC

But I'm sure that's been figured out

2017-08-07 10:34:24 UTC

Look, I'm all for everyone being on the same page but to be honest you guys need to reach out to the leaders of the various organizations going and let them know there is an attempt to coordinate people. Because outside of the few people in this server, the groups have just been coordinating with each other and have no clue your "official" planners exist.

2017-08-07 19:24:52 UTC

You're wrong.

2017-08-07 19:25:58 UTC

We've consistently been in contact with the security organizers of every individual group that's attending for months. Sorry you aren't important enough to be kept in the loop, but stop spreading false information and shit slinging.

2017-08-07 20:00:55 UTC

I think it should be a given but the new location of the park will have varying elevations; take the high ground folks๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

2017-08-07 20:02:14 UTC


2017-08-07 20:02:31 UTC

Here's a Ariel view, I do believe it is outdated

2017-08-07 20:04:28 UTC


2017-08-07 20:21:02 UTC

The most strategic area seems to be the hill in the middle of the golf course ( It's within park limits)

2017-08-07 20:44:17 UTC

I believe that's an aerial view. I see no mermaids.

2017-08-07 21:05:11 UTC

Fuck going to that park. Itโ€™s tucked out of the way and from what I remember doesnโ€™t have a Lee statue in it.

2017-08-07 21:54:12 UTC

We're going to Lee Park no matter what.

2017-08-07 22:27:50 UTC

Ok. From a tactical standpoint, what has changed?

2017-08-07 22:28:59 UTC

For now, as an individual, keep your already set plan.

2017-08-07 22:29:06 UTC

If you need to change it, guidance will come out.

2017-08-08 02:03:12 UTC

Bottles with Concrete in them are confirmed antifa weapons plan accordingly

2017-08-08 02:30:02 UTC

construction helmet, sunglasses/goggle, pepper spray and a shield seem to now be the bare minimum

2017-08-08 03:16:16 UTC

If they intend to throw them we should have a means to "return to sender" with even more force.

SS mortar platoon, anyone?


2017-08-08 03:54:36 UTC


2017-08-08 23:03:34 UTC

I got a 20 oz bottle of J&J baby shampoo, anyone know the ratio to mix with water for pepper spray decontaminate?

2017-08-08 23:08:59 UTC


2017-08-08 23:29:47 UTC


2017-08-08 23:41:02 UTC

Baby shampoo?

2017-08-08 23:41:19 UTC

Clean water generally works best, I've never heard of anyone using baby shampoo.

2017-08-08 23:41:37 UTC

Just don't panic and rub your eyes, and it usually passes pretty quickly as long as you aren't sensitive to it.

2017-08-08 23:41:56 UTC

Mix water with maylox @Melektaus

2017-08-08 23:42:01 UTC


2017-08-08 23:42:16 UTC

Do not use maalox

2017-08-08 23:42:29 UTC

There is no acid to neutralize, and the grittiness of the maalox can cause further irritation.

2017-08-08 23:42:31 UTC

I heard baby shampoo but even if it doesn't work at least its a smell from childhood as I burn to near death from pepper

2017-08-08 23:42:41 UTC

Just because antifa is dumb enough to put maalox in their eyes doesn't mean we should be.

2017-08-08 23:42:55 UTC

Golden dawn does that though?

2017-08-08 23:43:02 UTC

They shouldn't be.

2017-08-08 23:43:08 UTC

Maalox does literally nothing for pepper spray.

2017-08-08 23:43:14 UTC

maybe the European maalox formula is better

2017-08-08 23:43:33 UTC

Johnson and Johnson baby shampoo mixed 1:1 with water

2017-08-08 23:44:44 UTC

I don't get the baby shampoo thing, how is it supposed to help?

2017-08-08 23:45:49 UTC

Washes the shit out of your eyes I guess

2017-08-08 23:46:20 UTC

I have 2 emts in my group who were trained by uncle Sam for the sandbox and they swear by it

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