#safety_planning (Discord ID: 321395356216590347) in Charlottesville 2.0, page 3
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MG, helmet, and shield would be better yet
@everyone I talked to the police captain that is in charge of all the police pieces on the ground. She (yes) is very professional amd is taking this very seriously. She has a proposal for how CPD is going to set up that she is going to send me a map of. She is going to want to communicate directly with @Heinz - MI regarding security of the event as a whole. I gave her a basic idea of how I expect his guys will be operating amd what their role will be. I gave her a run down of the ROE that Im putting out for everyone. I will have more to put out tomorrow after i have the map of her proposed set up.
Also, we are working out arrangements for the individual security teams. There will either be a secured, designated drop off point, or they will have a secured location to park vehicles. This hasnt been conpletely worked out yet, but Im expecting the finished product to be effective.
I've been getting hundreds of threats from black twitter the past few days, I'm wondering if I should come after all? I'm worried about being recognized before I get to you guys. We had planned to park and take a bus into the city center but my husband has to split up and take the kids somewhere away from the event so I will be alone between then and when I get to y'all.
I'm sure we can get some gentlemen to escort you if need be, you'll be in good company, Black Twitter is just trying to scare you from coming.
@Ayla just hop in my 15 passenger hate van. You'd be safe with us.
Ok, DM me so we can plan where to meet up and when.
How did you piss off black twitter?
I compared Beyoncé to kool aid.
I honestly wasn't trying to be racist, it was a commentary on how they worship her
I think we have enough ex pipe hitting, hard charging, door kickers to make black twitter a non-issue.
I like Kool Aid
Was it purple kool aid?
No, it wasn't purple 😂😂😂
(We should probably take this to general before we get in trouble for clogging up the safety channel)
Ok, sounds perfect!
@Erika my grl is bringing first aid stuff but she needs to know what to get. hit up Lurlina please or drop a text/pdf in the chat? She will pm once she can but has to sleep and work ATM and I have to get the stuff ahead of time or any supplies needed.
Water/Bandages/Tape obviously on list. Also any females who are actually attending the main rally without pepper spray pm her and we will bring some for you.
Do you guys need any non-shield oriented security?
Vanguard TX will bring our shields. We have about 10
We will need plain clothes spotters on the street corners advising us on any antifa shenanigans.
@RCO Nick-TX That's fantastic! We will be putting out a video shortly on the tactics and commands we will be using for our guys.
I will say this @Americana - MD is prior service like a bunch of us in VA are and he can be really helpful
@Heinz - MI looks like we have some more. Around 15. We will bring them all
That will be great. Right now the biggest priority is getting people for the shield wall.
We will have plenty of young fit motivated men from VA ready and willing.
A E S T H E T I C
That looks great
The more people we get, the more effective we will become.
Tfw no shield
But feel as though I could be more combat effective without
You could always make one. We will also need someone to organize groups of people to fill in gaps where they may form and get people to cover flanks.
@Americana - MD Were bringing 15. Give Phil some lead time and he can make more and leave them with your guys.
That would be awesome
I'll talk to him.
I would like to volunteer myself and 2 others for any security needed. We are military and security experienced. Ill be bringing a shield as well. Let me know if needed and whatnot so we can plan accordingly.
What's realistically the worst case scenario in terms of violence for this event? A battle of Berkeley type situation? I'm just thinking that this is the first time that the crazies have an opportunity to target all of us (or at least a big number of us) in one place. I'm not as concerned about Antifa as a group, but more about the potential for one "lone wolf" to show up there with a gun.
A couple goys and I will be escorting Pax to and from the event. Anything we should know? We have a Chevy Tahoe and plan on parking and walking in.
@Heinz - MI is in charge of general security. Have you guys done PSD work before?
Some have. I'll shoot him a message
Who is in charge of S-4?
@Heinz - MI considering your name, I've a little disappointed that you guys aren't bringing panzers...
Wait... is no panzers a rule? Or just like.. a suggestion?
I am pro-Panzer
Here's a simple security plan proposal. Those on the shield wall should not be armed with any firearm. There should be roving armed security scanning the crowd for any potential armed threats and an inner layer of armed PSD for VIPs. Simple and effective.
Everyone should be carrying an IFAK.
Remeber your IFAK is for you, not someone else.
like the tourniquet we all had to carry in our left ankle pockets in Iraq & Afghanistan
*LEft Shoulder Pocket
that was like an army wide SOP
my unit was ankle pocket
no, we carried them in our ankle pocket.
Yeah, we carried them in our shoulder pocket
some units did shoulder I have heard that before
maybe...we had more important stuff in our shoulder pockets...but that's aviation 😛
IFAKs are a personal choice, the DRW will all have them and we suggest them for everyone else
Tourniquet in one dip in the other?
smokes in one, PAX list in the other LOL
I hated flying with you fucks
"When we go down..."
Wait, nigger what...?
I loved giving my PAX speech: "The fire extinguisher is for putting out people fires, not the helicopter. The fire ax is for cutting holes in the walls to escape, not for stealing as a souvenir"
There's been a recent idea from the left to attempt to get the permit revoked based on threats of violence "supposedly" coming from our side
yeah theres a whole article from them chock full of the screenshots with that oathcuck
If they get it shut down it will be all the better
They think they are fighting us but they are fighting deterministic reality itself
This isn't the result of "racism" or "sexism" or "reactionism" and has nothing to do with Whig history. This is the return of the base.
Fuck the Overton Window, we are shattering that shit, they don't even realize it.
The more they fight us in this, the stronger and harder it is going to come about.
Natural order shall be restored👌🏻
Hey @Azzmador is there a single poc for all the stormer guys regarding security planning?
@Hand Banana Stormer book clubs are highly decentralized by design. Even at the local level they are a loose association of individuals. A few small groups here or there may be mobilized, but any actions for them might as well be addressed to the event at large.
Alright well if the Stormjer guys are bringing shields and want to hold a perimeter have them get in contact with @Heinz - MI
Are there some sort of guidelines for IRL vetting, so that ourguys aren't giving intel to any antifa types who may come in plain clothes and try to infiltrate? Cville 1.0 had a lot of people talking to people they didn't know about personal info/after parties/ etc. but since it was a surprise rally with less people and a more cohesive dress code, it was easier to know what side everyone was on.
^^^She makes good points. After a shower and even without a shave some Antifa sympathizing college student might be capable of passing for one of us.
Keep in mind also, this may be the first IRL event some people are attending. Even people who are very careful about how much info they give out about themselves online often slip up in real time.
most events are people first ... we grew so fast ... its gunna have alot of growing pains ... as for figuring out whos good or bad we really need to start having more localish evennts
^^^Absolutely correct! ^^^
Not rockett science - thats why we have armbands
I think she was referring more to infiltration and HUMINT operatives
Its easy. Don't give out any info, if people have questions tell them to check the discord
^^^ That should be pinned and part of the information dismenated to everyone
I'm guessing I should buy the insurance on the Enterprise rental car?
PSA for anyone booking car rentals with AmEx cards:
I get many won't be doing this because of opsec, but for those who do, many AmEx cards will insure the car you rent if paid with that card.
(Had the unfortunate opportunity to use this one when a rental was damaged on vacation; it was a very smooth process submitting the claim after the fact with AmEx)
It'll save ya a few shekels on buying insurance from the rental company.
There has been a credible threat on Richard's safety. Please take this seriously!!!
So I'm bringing two advanced EMTs with me, not licensed in VA though. Is there any coordinated medical staff I can put them in touch with?
@Stannisthemannis I've not gotten any response on a medic team. I'm just waiting until closer to the date. I'm a nurse licensed and working in Virginia, though I'm a woman, I would still like to help with the medic team and haven't really gotten any direction. Since you're a guy maybe they'll give you an invite for the medic chat.
@Edelweiss if you still havent gotten into it maybe ask in the mod help channel?
A guide to buying and retrofitting PASGT helmets.
<@&321389548984729600> pin pls
They make riot shields for pasgts too
Ugh... my head is just over 25" around and just over 9" in depth
I always have a difficult time with hats and helmets
Ha! Mine too
Reminder that if you're arrested, even if you didn't do anything wrong
Buy these, and give them out to everybody on the frontlines at Charlottesville.
With what money?
How many hundreds of these can you take on at once?
Wtf is that
I could take 10-12
No more than that
Even weak aids faggs have strength in numbers
I'm talking hand to hand
With a gun its a lot more
ehh fuck that, if its a fight I will certainly be scared for my life.
dozens of these shrieking goblins come over the hill you better hope your sword arm isn't flabby
There is no scenario in which using a firearm at Lee park will end well haha
They forgot to put it in the oven
And I'm not talking about the cake
@khaos156-WV Is your girl still looking for first aid gear? "Mylanta" is good if you're hit by mace or bear spray. Not sure what it is... someone told me about it.
Make sure you got your Mylanta for when you get stabbed with a knife.
And bandaids for when you get pepper sprayed 🤣
This where you volunteer to help with overall security? <@&321389548984729600>
We don't need anymore help with that.
We need help in non-combat roles.
🤔 Antifa claiming 4k, but alright. I'll help wherever.
rahowa isnt going to happen in cville next week
We need help getting people safely to and from the vent right now
Don't mind doing a ride along or helping there. I'm just not driving.
Just let me know where I can get in and help if there's something like that you need.
Will there be any special considerations for people who will be at the park early the day of, theres a few anticom guys who are going and i want to make sure we're doing everything we can to stay safe during that time.
@VenusFröst good question. There are convoy logistics being coordinated and will be put out before the event to make sure everyone is aware of the safe options they have to attend.
@Heinz - MI Has anyone made progress towards selecting plain clothes comms people? I have a candidate.
I'm looking for 2-3 more teams
@VenusFröst anyone who arrives at the AO prior to the main force does so at their own risk.
Yeah just dont be there early
Getting there early wont do anything besides give them incentive to start the day off on the wrong foot.
They are apt go chimp on a small group and once they get going they wont stop.
If we show up all at the same time they will be intimidated.
@HueTheHand one of you should just pretend to be retarded, and a couple of goys could pretend to be his wrangler.
Be careful, if they catch you recording with a fashy haircut you might need to pop smoke
Do not arrive early.
You're just going to get jumped.
Please stop being retarded.
Wear a che shirt if you go early
And plan on getting jumped either way
Lol. Screen print a Che shirt featuring his well-known quote regarding the Negro.
@Hand Banana how early is "early"? What about Kessler's announcement of being there by 9 (or earlier) to lay claim to the space?
Dont do that
Thats stupid and you'll just cause issues or get jumped
Obviously no one should go alone
Am I being unclear?
Do not show up early.
I'm going to try and talk to the principal about it again but he has final say.
You are not showing up early
You got it. Should that announcement be considered obsolete info?
Sorry I go where my principal goes if he insists I'm not going to say fuck you kid you are on your own.
But I think I have him convinced not to go but still
Regardless it sounds like we need to get all organizers on board with a set time everyone should show up. Mixed messages are bad
Dont show up early.
When will places/times to meet up be released then? I'm looking for the best places to keep my vehicle from being vandalised
@✠ Deus Vult ✠ you are going to literally be surrounded by Vandals. Preventing Vandalism is pretty much not an option at this point.
Don't show up early – copy that. What about the strategy message to secure the park at 9am?
How many times
Does "dont show up early" need to be said
That announcement should be deleted or revised
Yes it should
So how early should I be there? 7AM?
I thinking maybe a 4-6am arrival
Is this no longer the case?
I'm not arguing against not showing up early. Just trying to confirm the actual coordinated arrival time.
I was going to let @Hand Banana address this since I was thinking you guys are sperging but there will be a logistics order put out on thursday with the specific time for arrival. Please be patient.
What's important is that security will be on-site early enough to guarantee that we'll have the space
But I'm sure that's been figured out
Look, I'm all for everyone being on the same page but to be honest you guys need to reach out to the leaders of the various organizations going and let them know there is an attempt to coordinate people. Because outside of the few people in this server, the groups have just been coordinating with each other and have no clue your "official" planners exist.
We've consistently been in contact with the security organizers of every individual group that's attending for months. Sorry you aren't important enough to be kept in the loop, but stop spreading false information and shit slinging.
I think it should be a given but the new location of the park will have varying elevations; take the high ground folks👌🏻
Here's a Ariel view, I do believe it is outdated
The most strategic area seems to be the hill in the middle of the golf course ( It's within park limits)
I believe that's an aerial view. I see no mermaids.
Fuck going to that park. It’s tucked out of the way and from what I remember doesn’t have a Lee statue in it.
We're going to Lee Park no matter what.
Ok. From a tactical standpoint, what has changed?
For now, as an individual, keep your already set plan.
If you need to change it, guidance will come out.
Bottles with Concrete in them are confirmed antifa weapons plan accordingly
construction helmet, sunglasses/goggle, pepper spray and a shield seem to now be the bare minimum
If they intend to throw them we should have a means to "return to sender" with even more force.
SS mortar platoon, anyone?
I got a 20 oz bottle of J&J baby shampoo, anyone know the ratio to mix with water for pepper spray decontaminate?
Clean water generally works best, I've never heard of anyone using baby shampoo.
Just don't panic and rub your eyes, and it usually passes pretty quickly as long as you aren't sensitive to it.
Do not use maalox
There is no acid to neutralize, and the grittiness of the maalox can cause further irritation.
I heard baby shampoo but even if it doesn't work at least its a smell from childhood as I burn to near death from pepper
Just because antifa is dumb enough to put maalox in their eyes doesn't mean we should be.
Golden dawn does that though?
They shouldn't be.
Maalox does literally nothing for pepper spray.
maybe the European maalox formula is better
Johnson and Johnson baby shampoo mixed 1:1 with water
I don't get the baby shampoo thing, how is it supposed to help?
Washes the shit out of your eyes I guess
I have 2 emts in my group who were trained by uncle Sam for the sandbox and they swear by it