@Rabbidsith https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-leif-erikson-day-2018/

@Virgil I cannot answer your question because we’re not allowed to talk about religion or doctrines

"IE downplaying Columbus"

>IE accurately discussing the history of Columbus is downplaying

bro lol

Seems like there's a danger of going too far in defining an in group. What if one day white Pennsylvanians decide they're a separate ethnicity and want their PA Deitsch ethnostate or something? What if Southerners decide they're another ethnicity? Could get ridiculous. Gotta have a happy medium between total globalism and getting too suspicious of outsiders. Any white European is my own blood. If they wanna come here, in reasonable numbers, and commit to our way of life, fine with me.

I really can only imagine what reading this has to feel like to our enemies. It has an extremely "triumphalist" tone, which is pretty cool imo.

lol

@Ald The Spanish colonized areas with tens of millions of amerindians, the English colonized places with only a few hundred thousand amerindians

Leif Eriksson had little impact on the North American continent and no impact on Europe. Columbus was the first time a permanent link was established from the Americas to Europe. Leif Eriksson did not establish any link after he left Newfoundland

@ophiuchusit wasn't easy turning these lands into what they are today. And in a short time.

@ophiuchus Indeed. It would probably feel terrifying to them.

It's really nothing short of amazing @Josh M. -OH

I know, that was part of it, another part was decisions they made such as bringing less women and forming a caste system

Having miscegenation not only accepted but codified

I don't see my Leif posting as anti Columbus. I respect them both equally, even as a Nord

I just laugh when people put forward the Spanish caste system now

Like bro

the less women led to the caste system, or was that more of a casual link?

Look at its fruits

All of these European travelers, discoverers, have a great contribution. All of them should be celebrated because they all played an important role in a much bigger divine plan

@Virgil That's because the Americas were nothing more than a logging colony. The Norse never had an imperial desire in North America.

Australia is the same way. Dump the scum of the British Empire on a barren wasteland in the south Pacific- in 150 years it's a first world country.

they went back there plenty of time just to chop some wood lol

@sigruna14 I don't see any problem having in groups that get progressively more specific. As for what if Pennsylvania secedes, well, if they can function independently and it would make them happy, they can secede, if they aren't big enough to function independently, then they should be grouped in with the next in group up.

@ophiuchus Lol

I mean, I personally have multiple in groups

@ophiuchus Dump the scum of *any* European nation on a barren rock and it will become a 1st world nation given time.

I agree, was just stating that for history's sake.

oh and getting worried about Southerners thinking we're our own ethnicity... hate to disillusion you, but there is a large group of Southerners that do think this. That's part of the basis of modern Southern Nationalism

Southrons fam

I'm Polish, Slavic, and European. The more specific groups don't interfere with the less specific ones. I care about the interests of all Europeans, but I'm also concerned specifically about the interests of European-Americans and Polish people.

This is why I think the answer lies less in where exactly the founding people came from and more they exhibited a particular European spirit.

yup

If they didn't share an ideal they wouldn't be able to become cohesive as they have. An ideal that broke through national and even language barriers.

Nah, not a fan of all the extra nationalism. I would say I'm a "white" nationalist, but that term is loaded with too much baggage from idiots who've done and said stupid things in connection with it. I guess "racial nationalist" is good enough in that case.

@Rabbidsith Regardless of the reasons, he had no impact. So celebrating him as on par with Columbus because he was Nord or he was the first Euro on North America is reaching a bit

@sigruna14 Would you put the interests of European-Americans over the interests of other Europeans?

@Virgil Would you say the same about Neil Armstrong?

@Virgil If we had a lunar colony?

@Jacob Don't think that's the same question as what else is being discussed here. The answer is yes, but it's not a related question. If a European wanted to come here, became a citizen, showed loyalty to our country - fine with me.

>implying we don't have a lunar colony

TY

@ophiuchus lol

The problem with disowning terms like White Nationalist is that to those listening the difference between disowning the plain meaning and disowning the connotations and baggage is not clear. We are nationalists for whites, ie WN. To say you're not a wn sounds to most like you're just cucking, not rebranding

All else being equal I'd put the interests of a Euro-American living in my own town ahead of the interests of one from another town, but that doesn't necessarily mean I wouldn't want the one in the other town in my town.

@Virgil Leif Erikson is comparable to Neil Armstrong IMO.

he was simply the first

I just want to live with beautiful white people, who all speak a common language (English) who celebrate traditional holidays, who want every President to place his hand on the Bible (not any other book) in Inauguration Day, who wish each other marry Christmas and happy Easter and who celebrate July 4th and Halloween.

Just saying, the difference should be clarified if one is going to say they're "not WN"

Therefore, he can be compared to Columbus.

@Rabbidsithfirst we know of with a name.

yup

indeed

@Rabbidsith No because Armstrong represents a continous link with Outer space and the lunar landing was the first step in eventual space colonization

I got black pilled af hearing about the UN migration pact. Any room for optimism?

DayX optimism

@Virgil We haven't been to the moon in how many years?

@sigruna14 You don't think of a significant amount of Polish immigrants moved into your town it would have an effect on the sense of community?

@Virgil Leif Erikson represents a continuous link in Europeans attempting to colonize the Americas.

he was simply the first of that chain

that we know of

@Jacob Remember I did say they should come in reasonable numbers? I'm not saying any amount of European should just pour in. I'm disagreeing with zero immigration.

Cute redheads *only*

I would have no problems with a bunch of blond blue-eyed Scandinavians pouring in

I wonder what kind of gender imbalance merit based immigration would create?

Would probably be more men, but to what degree?

always weirds me out that people actually want immigrants

America brought in a ton of Chinese but banned the women

@Rabbidsith No, because the chain was broken, after he left. His expedition and colony had no impact on Europe. After Columbus, there was sustained colonization of the Americas. After Eriksson there wasn't.

@Sam Southern - TN dude I totally agree with that

Well there are more jobs than people to fill them rn, that's why

@sigruna14 Okay. Sorry if I straw manned you, I'm just trying to get your point of you. How do we determine the criteria for reasonable immigration?

I'm pro European immigration

im gucci scaramucci

Hey do you guys know what Japan is doing to plug holes in their labor system caused by falling birth rates

robots!

that's a stance I can get behind @Gumbo - AZ

I'm also fine with increasing the cost of goods so that Americans can be paid more to do work they don't want to right now

@Jacob Well I guess that would require some calculations from economists, demographers etc. I don't think I'm qualified to give a number. But I'd want it to obviously not harm our economy, or our culture. I mean, for a small town, probably reasonable to have one or two immigrant families, just to throw a number out there.

@Virgil https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/10-european-colonies-that-failed-in-america-before-jamestown/

I will pay $4 for an orange I swear to god if it meant no roaming bands of MS13 killing teenage girls

what

Maine imports Eastern Europeans instead of non whites, used to import the Irish. Lotta qt slav girls in tourist areas up there

sorry 1 letter off

@Virgil Leif Erikson was nothing more than the first explorer in the chain.

big difference

@Virgil Again, Neil Armstrong never established a permanent colony on the moon.

@Rabbidsith that's what you think

he's still there fam

@Virgil So you can discount him only if you discount Neil

>thinking the moon or neil armstrong exist

ok globies

@sigruna14 That's fair. What would you consider a valid reason to immigrate?

gibs

@Jacob Same as whyever the original settlers did I guess. Adventure, better life, I have no idea why someone would immigrate here.

@Jacob government mandated gf

Since I never did it and by definition never will.

Just read this:
"In 1997, *U.S. News and World Report* did a survey asking people who was most likely to get into heaven when they died. President Bill Clinton scored 54 percent, Michael Jordan got 65 percent, and Mother Teresa received 79 percent. But who scored the highest? Who did people answering the survey feel was 87 percent likely to get into heaven? 'Me'"

Gibs was being facetious

@Virgil There is actually a broken chain in *every* attempt at colonization.

I want more qt slav gorls in the US, true fact, totally legit argument

@sigruna14 Aren't the people who want a better life exactly the people who those countries need to stay if they ever want to improve?

because there is always going to be failures

@Rabbidsith There was no chain though at that time and Eriksson did not establish one. But I think it's best we agree to disagree at thid point.

If anyone thinks that their European identity is more important than their European-American identity, then I would suggest going back to fortify your true homeland rather than trying recreate it here. They need your help too. (if they will let you back that is)

@Jacob Perhaps but that's not really our problem is it?

@Zilna Jestov congrats on finishing your pledge status!

@ThisIsChris Thank you.

@Virgil Again, I don't agree. He established the first precedent of Europeans coming to America.

as explorers and conquerors

@sigruna14 Absolutely. But if we're not gaining anything from accepting them, and we don't lose anything from denying them, might as well deny them and let them fix their own country. We could actually gain from a lot of these countries developing themselves. Coexisting with third world countries isn't good for us.

@Rabbidsith Nope

@Virgil He's comparable to the Neil Armstrong of his time. You cannot discount Leif Erikson if you also count Armstrong due to the last mission being in 1972.

first recorded precedent. there could have been generations before him that just didn't write it down. I enjoyed reading a book about lewis and clark where they described their encounters with "red-haired, blue-eyed savages" (it's a direct quote, no delet) who had to have been descendants of earlier explorers that just didn't write it down and report back what they found

@NateDahl76 Ooga booga where the qt ginger Celts at
Ultimate pro immigration argument

trve

@Virgil There's no continuous chain of lunar colonization currently and no feasable plans exist as of yet.

However, you won't complain when we settle on the Moon.

European immigration only

@Virgil A nearly 50 year gap is not very continuous.

@Jacob Sort of like saying, if I don't gain anything from helping out a fellow white person in need, might as well not help them. Just because I don't directly gain something from someone doesn't mean I'm gonna turn them down. If a good European person wishes to live here, maybe they just rather live here for whatever reason, I've no problem with it. Not really my business why they want to come or what's up in their country of origin. If their home country needs them, they should've done a better job at making people want to stay.

@Rabbidsith But we know about the moon and other nations followed suit. When the Spanish began the colonization of the Americas they had no knowledge of Eriksson or his colony. Neither did any other colonial European powers at the time.

@Virgil Again, irrelavent.

Still an impressive feat and accomplishment

Of course

@Virgil Alexander the Great made it into India. However, most people in Europe during the Middle Ages probably didn't know that at the time.

See the main thing is Europeans need to be staying in Europe and having babbies there

Get busy make babbies

bhabs

Stop NOT getting married and having unprotected sex Euros

ba🅱🅱ies

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I think the United States of America could be the promised land where all of the Europeans will gather. Let the invaders take over the old country and make the United States of America a safe haven for white Europeans

@Virgil The Greeks made the first mechanical computer. Are we going to discount that discovery because of the end of a long chain in the manufacture of computational technology?

no

@Grayson Sounds sad to me. I rather we control the land of our origins and let the colonies go.

fellas can we beaver poast? Beavers are so awesome. Far superior to all other rodents, prove me wrong

We evolved in Europe, it will always be the ultimate homeland

post more beavers

@sigruna14 I agree with you !

I'd say ferrets would be my favorite rodent but they're not rodents

yissss

@Rabbidsith People in Medieval Europe named their children after Alexander. There multiple kings and popes named Alexander. Alexander the Great's campaign has been known for a very long time and yes, the computer the Greeks built had virtually no impact on computer designs made in the 50's

That’s where all the art and history of our ancestors still is. I agree with you guys.

@sigruna14 That makes sense. But I imagine if you want to help people, it's better to help more people than less people. Brain drain can really harm the development of a country. It will never get anywhere if those who have the skills to change it leave. And it's not just skills. Those who desire to do something for a better life are exactly the people these countries need.

Immigration can only help the families of the immigrants that you accept, however, ending brain drain can drastically help the entire country.

In addition, the maximum amount of people that can be helped through immigration is very small. There's over 600 million people living in extreme poverty in the world. Even if we increased immigration by ten times, causing massive overpopulation, it would still be a minuscule percentage that you actually help.

We can do far more good for fellow white people by helping these poor Eastern European countries develop than we would by taking away the people that they need to change them. In fact, if we help them develop, you'll end up helping the people who tried to emigrate in the first place.

Beavers are great! Wall builders, DaMmit

epic style, unironically a yuge fan of Beavers

@Virgil I'm not arguing that they didn't know about Alexander. Of course they heard of him. However, did they know of the extent of his conquests?

@Jacob pretty much the argument I use verbatim when I'm arguing against immigration to leftists, it's actually quite a good one

It's a fun one. Really messes with lefties.

@Rabbidsith Did they know about Leif Eriksson's colony?

For example, when that ebola epidemic hit in africa several years ago, so many doctors had already left liberia that the ONLY virologist in the country got ebola and died- completely exacerbating the crisis

Nords had multiple settlements under multiple leaders, as far south as vinland

@Virgil Irrelevant. Are you going to judge the acts of heroes by their deeds or by how many people knew of them?

My dad once asked me, "so, should America not have accepted us?" when disputing my views on immigration. Honestly, no, America shouldn't have accepted us. It's kind of a paradox, because emigration creates the need for more emigration. If Poland didn't have brain drain, it would be a much nicer place, and my family wouldn't have felt the need to leave in the first place. So, ultimately, I would have benefitted.

@Virgil If you're going to discount Leif Erikson, then you have to discount every historical European figure that was temporarily forgotten due to the lack of universal literacy.

@Jacob were you born in Poland?

Not really relevant just wondering

nah I was born in Redmond

#doxxed

o shidd

If Nords had guns, there would have been colonization

@Virgil For example, unlike his inventions, the mathematical writings of Archimedes were little known in antiquity.

The natives attacked first

Nords had the Thuum though so how come they didn't?

If Beavers had guns water would not flow

Y'know, it's the end of this Saturday night, but it's so comforting to know that I can talk to people who are on my side any time. Wuh-we're not alone.

how come they didn't just shout the beothuk back

@Virgil Are we then going to discount his mathematical discoveries due to the lack of mathematical interest amongst most common Europeans?

at the time

@Deleted User Amen

@Selma this place has kept me from going insane for quite some time

@Jacob Do you think you will move back to the motherland someday?

@ophiuchus Real questions right here

I want to, yes @Zilna Jestov

@ophiuchus - Exactly. I used to feel quite isolated with my opinions and my knowledge of this clown culture.

it's nice just knowing there's a place I can chill and be around my people

@Virgil The first comprehensive compilation of his writings were not made until nearly 700 years after his death.

@Jacob Good luck, whatever you decide.

thanks

the sense of belonging that was common to every human being in the world until this last century being taken away is an extremely large contributing factor to the mental illness and loneliness afflicting everyone imo

I want to move to Poland and help the movement from there. Don't worry, I'll still send money to IE. I'll even come do activism if I'm still allowed to.

You can be the first IE ambassador to Poland

Definitely. In more tribal places with extended families, there are almost no reports of depression. I forget where I read this.

@ophiuchus This is actually a relevant point.

There actually was an IE member who did what I just described

@Rabbidsith Not temporarily forgotten, never known and no impact. Let's agree to disagree here, we're not going to convince eachother at this point

Actually, there's two IE members who moved back to Poland that I can think of

It's weirdly common

@Virgil Never known? Bullshit. Then how do I know of him?

Both I met through my state chapter

So I wouldn't be surprised if there's more

@Virgil That's absolutely hilarious. He was temporarily forgotten.

Both of them were second generation Polish and moved back

It makes me sad to think of good Americans leaving.

@Virgil Same as archimedes for most of Europe.

do you speak polish @Jacob

@Selma I get that. It makes me sad to think of people who Eastern Europe needs leaving. I don't consider my family's history something to brag about, I think it's sad.

@Natasha - PA Yes. And Russian kind of

dope

Slavic languages are really hard

@Virgil The works of leif erikson gives us valuable insight into both the character of our people and how early norse colonies functioned.

Oh, it is completely understandable what motive you'd have to move there; no judgement there. It's just a bit poignant to me.

from the perspective of a first language germanic speaker

@ophiuchus Russian is easier than Polish

Polish pronunciation is cursed

Czech even worse

South slavic language seem the simplest in that regard

@Jacob I wish I spoke more Polish, my grandmother taught me a little and I've been trying to teach myself.

Bulgarian is allegedly the easiest slavic language for a native English speaker to learn

eh I think Russian pronunciation might be harder than Polish pronunciation, it's just that Americans think they have a license to mispronounce Russian since it doesn't have all the diacritics and stuff that Polish has

@Virgil See, that's something I think is sad. That people end up uprooted from their families.

Americans routinely butcher the pronunciation of Spanish, which has one of the simplest phonologies of any commonly learned language

@Jacob that I can agree with. I barley know any of my cousins

Yes, it's strange that people don't first learn how to properly pronounce languages.

@ophiuchus Once you get it down, I think Polish pronounciation is easier than English

For some reason, they never teach people that the vowels in english =/= the vowels in other languages

I butcher Spanish on principle, not because I can't pronounce it

Yeah there's someone in my chapter whos family seems to move back and forth by generation

Based @missliterallywho

@missliterallywho I always pretend I can't understand spanish when mexicans try to talk to me even though I can

@Virgil What of Aeschylus? Were his works insignificant although most did not remember him?

If you're gonna speak a language, speak it how it's meant to be spoken. Jared Taylor is based.

Only Mexicans pronounce Spanish properly in California

@Natasha - PA Same, I really only know my parents

Spanish has 5 vowels, English has like 13.

spanish is european pls respect

I think German and Chinese are pretty easy

Literally anyone can learn it

Chinese has the easiest grammar of any language I've studied

The grammar of German on the other hand

I be, he be, we be, they be, that's what it be.

New World Spanish is about as European as ebonics @Natasha - PA

Sometimes it do be like that @ophiuchus

"He was" is literally "He be (past tense)"

@Jacob True, my family is extremely Americanized. They don't even cook Polish food or speak the language anymore. They can't even pronounce their Polish surname correctly anymore

More brown people are Spanish speakers as first language than white

@Virgil What about Pytheas; who was widely known in antiquity but now only remembered through the works of others? Do we discount his discoveries? No.

"Did you go to school yesterday?" = "You yesterday go (past tense) school (Question marker)"

@Virgil ooof sometimes I feel the need to correct people when they pronounce their own surnames incorrectly

Spanish is a POC language here and that's on the Spanish Empire

Sad!

we love our meds

Japanese grammar is weird

People with Polish last names always find the ugliest ways to mispronounce them, too.

No conjugation for person, but conjugation for mood

and tense, and aspect

"I wasn't able to go" can be made into one word

We love our Meds folks, as long as they're not 52% face Mestizos

^

I once had a guy pronounce his surname maJEWski when it was pronounced Mayefski. *The correct pronunciation isn't even more difficult*.

Spaniards are fine, "ouch oof" columbians not so much