Lol

I did my second interview tonight but I didn't have my role changed

republics were generally trading economies

The economic system isn't based on peasant farmers so again what may have been logical then isn't anymore. I'd prefer a system that grants us social mobility so that the best and brightest can reach the top levels of society

same my man @StevePines -WA

@TMatthews i'm all for social mobility

i'm against hereditary titles that pass on just because of birthright

Monarchy does not need to mean peasant farmer economy

I support the byzantine model of sucession

Yeah...

Rome, Spain, England, Canada...monarchies

I really support the economic model of 10th century (golden age) Byzantium. I really do.

Social mobility was all but nonexistent in the feudal system, at least for the underclass.

because you're implying feudalism = monarchy

@StevePines -WA We'll have Niko do it. I technically could, but I don't know if it's over stepping my authority since I'm just the assistant to the coordinator.

feudalism is a whole differnt ballgame

I assumed that's what you meant as it was the primary form of monarchy and hierarchy for centuries

early germanic and slavic tribes were not feudal

neither were the Romans

feudalism is a dark ages invention really

Even so, the same issues arise. No popular support. No accountability for the king. With the Turks just outside their walls, the Byzantine elites debated the gender of angels

a) strawman b) I'm talking about the 10th century model, not the late 15th century model

That is not a strawman lol.

Some monarchs sucked

Feudalism was a Jewish trick.

Some republics sucked

@Jacob it's all good lol

At least with a republic, you can theoretically change the leadership if they do poorly

the 10th century model had a lot of popular support

progressive taxes

strong army because of progressive taxes

soldiers and thier families received tax-free lands for service

that they would cultivate

decentralized army into themes enabled quick responses to problems with the empire

Again that's a totally different era when people were content owning small farms and there was ample land to give away but I digress

america has ample land

in modern times, this would look like ... wiat for it ... national syndicalism

@DairyMaxx are you NorCal or SoCal?

classes working together, not against

Not unless you're suggesting seizing arable land and redistributing it, we don't. We're already depleting our water with excessive agriculture out west. And most people wouldn't want to just be farmers nor could the economy function if they were

@Freiheit - CA SoCal
Recently changed my @

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factories can be owned equally by the bourgousie and the working class

When do I get my 2nd interview?

the financial institutions regulated

I was told Nico would be the one giving me the 2nd interview

this would be a stable system. And ik i'm too much of a brainlet to understand all the details of byzantine economics, but there is a reason why the eastern roman empire lasted over 1000 years

Ultimately, the economic system can be adapted to a political system, but the bigger concern is getting a political system people would consider legitimate

I have a question. What improvements can be made to capitalism? Or does capitalism have an inherent flaw that cant be avoided?

Adiós mi <#481597551272001546>

👋

Capitalism (as in private ownership) is good, but we need to regulate corporations so that they serve the national interest (eg environmental regulations, trust busting, no porn industry, etc)

I totally agree^

Some regulation is good

>having corporations

capitalism has a fundamental flaw: it relies on a human vice to function. namely greed.

nazbol spotted

Capitalism's flaws are the flaws of ordinary people. Capitalism supplies whatever they demand. The fundamental issue with it then is mostly cultural. Take healthcare costs, for example. If people had healthy lifestyles instead of rampant obesity, they wouldn't be sky high

Agreed. It could even be compared to democracy. If America was a 100% democracy slavery would never have been outlawed and the civil war wouldn't have happened

I would argue that's capitalism's most brilliant feature. It doesn't fight human nature (greed), but rather it channels it into productivity

@Deleted User If Niko doesn't have time I might be able to do it

but would you not agree that greed is a vice that we should curb?

Capitalisms most brilliant feature is having never been tried

If we fixed the media and got it to stop promoting degenerate things, the public would demand different goods and the market would provide. The media is ultimately the root of most problems today, imo

capitalism promotes greed (whcih you conceded), yet you blame the media?

Greed is the essence of capitalism.. however, greed can lead to enormous generosity. Some people realize they have too much and tend to give a lot to others... but I would argue it is few and far between. Most want to stack as much as they can.

> capitalism is good <:really:453005408064241674>

capitalism rests on competition

now suppose that I was a butcher

Competition is good

and a friend of mine opened a meat shop across the street from mine

@YourFundamentalTheorum That's an interesting question. The answer is typically no, but where the greed becomes harmful (like billionaires trying to import cheap labor) I'd intervene in the national interest as states above

You can have competition without capitalism

Yup. I agree. National interests and the interests of the well-being of the people should come first

now customers are scarce, so you can't both exist. Would you feel morally right to condemn your comrade to bankrupcy simply because of his choice of profession?

@YourFundamentalTheorum
No

I would argue it's immoral to bankrupt him, for he is your comrade

Agreed

and by doing yourself well you are doing him harm

I would say I'm a national capitalist. Probably the closest example in US history is Teddy Roosevelt

therefore, competition forces people to be immoral

therefore competition is a something to be avoided

>comrade
>nazbol

Meh... idk

>comrade
>his actual name is NPC#504478

Competition is inevitable because the laws of supply and demand are inevitable. Trying to avoid it is utopian fantasizing

Yup^

but the state has to minimize

because it makes people immoral

and develop vice

The only goods transferred should be military issue. Economics itself is a vice

@DairyMaxx juche gang?

I'll say the answer is inbetween, god forbid you call me out as a... *centrist*.

that's handwavy

where is in between then

I don't think it's immoral to want more business to go to you. Now if you were to sabotage your competition, that's one thing, but barring that, competition incentivizes providing a better product in hopes of winning customers

Things that cannot be avoided:
Competition,
Supply and demand,
And
Greed (human nature regardless of tribe)

^^

so we have 2 things that are vices, and instead of fighting them we'll jsut accept them

sounds like a slippery slope into the modern world tbqh

And competition is what leads to growth. minimizing it is a bad idea. Letting it go rampant, is also a bad idea.

The system has to abide by human nature

human nature cannot be one of vice

I'm still pretty undecided on economics

Growth is over rated. We need stability

^

If you consider greed vice, then it is

I'm ripe for converting to your favorite system

@YourFundamentalTheorum Vice is inextricably human

would you not agree that grid is vice?

*greed

feel free to proselytize to me

@Jacob national syndicalism is best

it measures economic status by how many cows you have

it seems pretty cool

A mixed market economy is the best way forward imo along with an identitarian state

@Jacob Mongolian Bolshevism, everyone gets a share of the loot

@Deleted User would you not agree that vice has to be improved instead of cajoled?

You won't breed out vice.

that doesn't mean you shouldnt' fight it

Communists say "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." When it is pointed out that people will not be productive enough without incentives, they say people simply shouldn't be greedy.
That is why communism will always fail. It rests on the idea that human nature must change. Every endeavor to go against human nature so fundamentally has always led to nothing but disaster

> you won't stop dumb teens doing weed
> so let's legalize it
that's awfully leftist

Look, you know what server we're in. I'm all for fighting vice. I just think you're addressing the problem incorrectly

What forms of vice should be stamped out besides porn and drug use?

Declaring human nature vice will not change it. It is not rooted in the economic system itself, so changing the system will jot root it out

@TMatthews religion is fundamentally against human nature, yet here it is.

Christianity is explicitly idealistic, yet here it stands

Religion is absolutely part of human nature. It gives explanations for why things are and a way of making morality seem objective. It provides a basis for social order if all abide by it

Would you guys agree that the social programs that exist in the US should be focused on the people who are the main demographic? (Essentially the people who's families have been here longest)

(Welfare, benefits, social security, etc)

>indian americans become the richest demographic

Christianity is not predicated on human nature being altered, but rather on it being forgiven

good take, @the pic

@TMatthews eh that's protestantism

catholicism and orthodoxy are very explicit about how humans are by default corrupt

and that human nature is a corrupted form of God's nature

When speaking of the families that have been there the longest, I am referring to European people

Exactly. Humans are all sinners and always will be, but they can strive to be better and seek forgiveness

At least that's the idea

I disagree and I would say why but I have to go sleep

cya

Interesting conversations. Goodnight y'all

Every religion denounces intoxication use. Buddha even dounenced incense. Do people do it anyway? Yes. However, people are still born with horrible mental/physical deformities. Doesn't mean we should just ignore it because it happens

@Sacramento It's a shame there's so much tradition to choose from though, hence the argumentation

Also, if you guys think I'm excusing vice or something, no. I don't even drink fellas

It's midnight here on the west coast. I'll seeya later gents

Goodnight

I have a weird request

Since I'm writing an essay on memes, can you guys please spam my DMs with as many NazBol memes as possible?

I'm looking to crowdsource a name for a moving service. I'm in hipsterville if that makes a difference.

Maybe you should dm me in case I actually use it

@cyrustheaverage Packing Plaid

You guys ever just wonder if you have a low IQ.

Sometimes I do some really <80 stuff.

My brain seems to be well-suited to some things (like knowing when people are lying) but not to other things (like tact).

I almost put my bird in the fridge this morning instead of the milk

I think we've all been there @NITRODUBS

Bahahaha! 😂

Morning, wypipo!

@NITRODUBS that’s more a symptom of distraction imo

@NITRODUBS I do that stuff when my routine gets broken. I do the exact same stuff the exact same way every day, and so I never think about what I'm actually doing; head always off in the clouds. Which means if one tiny variable changes, I can completely destroy what I'm doing

@Deleted User I'm not sure that's efficacious. It may seem appealing as a first take, but I don't think it works out well. Social programs, where they are aid programs, perhaps ought to be focused on those that have contributed most. Much like social security, if it were run properly. I've contributed a lot more than other people, so my disability benefit would be higher if I were to need it. That's what's "fair" for most values of "fair". Same thing regarding programs paid for by taxes. If I've paid more, why shouldn't I get a bigger share? Helps the rich, you say? Well, there just aren't that many "rich" people. It's not the problem the media would have you believe. What it does do is disincentivise free-riding by those that haven't contributed. The system can still be set up so that they get *something*; it's not "fair" to just leave people to hang out to dry because they haven't had time or ability to contribute. But that's perhaps a different category. You're 18 and haven't had time to pay in, but lose your sight? Yeah, there has to be a mechanism to help with that. Perhaps tied to your parent's contribution. But... extending that all the way back through the generations winds up benefiting "first families" and "old money" perhaps a bit too much. And there *are* a lot of descendants of those families.

This isn't a problem that the likes of us can solve sitting here. That's another thing to consider. No matter how much we brainstorm. Armchair study of a complex system like this isn't enough. It *seems* simple, but the execution of such a system is more challenging than it appears for those of us that have only read a lot of books on politics and economics, perhaps. Even with my MBA what I know is that I'm not qualified to concoct a fair and workable social program system. Not to say we couldn't do it. Take a lot of notes, read a lot on how it's been done, beyond just "look at Sweeeeeden and Norway!" and make spreadsheets, then more spreadsheets, then study more policy. Pretty soon it turns into a big task. tl;dr. no, focusing social programs on those families with the most tenure here won't work well, since those families have a ton of descendants comparatively, I think. Should *some* things be more focused on families that have been here ~400 years? Hell yes.

Check out @RealCandaceO’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1054480786945130496?s=09

@hbutzer0511 It kills me that, a year ago, she was a nobody with literally, like, four videos on her channel, and now, she's practically on every Fox anchor's speed dial, and is up to her eyeballs in cuck shekels. Meanwhile, we're moving into near-exponential growth in *actual* right-wing commentators with informed and relevant commentary, and they're still treated as though they don't even exist. That said, it's obvious why this is the case; it just gets my goat... 😑

@Bjorn - MD. The most powerful country in the world does not need to offer citizenship to this caravan to find answers and convict the perpetrators of this invasion.

@hbutzer0511 Agreed.

https://www.thecreepyline.com/

@Bjorn - MD So Candice wants felons to vote, and to give thousands of illegal invaders citizenship? 🤔 Sounds like a real based conservative to me! <:really:453005408064241674>

@Asatru Artist - MD You wouldn't mind, but I would say that, given where we are right now, there actually still *is* room for thought black commentary on the right, if we had someone like a Walter Williams, who's for freedom of association, but of course, no one even knows who he is (even I didn't until I heard about him on TDS), and there's a reason for that... 🤔

https://youtu.be/KgxEGQ4DNYs

Trump just announced he's a nationalist and wants people to start using that term.

@CarletonJ Yeah, that one was definitely a <:whitepill:439924104406106113>

Absolutely

Till based blegs start using it to describe themselves, eroding away the word's meaning just like that of "American..."

Hopefully not, though.

@Bjorn - MD oh God. What if

*Boomer walking into the room*

"hello, fellow nationalists."

It does seem like that would be the natural, last-ditch globalist gambit. It isn't like they haven't already made an art form out of stripping words and symbols of their original meanings...

"Hi, my name's Ben Shapiro, and I'm an American nationalist."

Oh my God.

Mhmm...

I'm going to choose to be optimistic, though, rather than do the blackpill thing right out of the gate, lol.

Of course haha

I got accused of being a white supremacist on Facebook LOL

If they only knew

@Procella Eques What did you did? Speaks in favor of standards of any kind, in any context?

Chances are they will run with the nationalist label for awhile trying to connect that with Trump's bigoted following.

@CarletonJ We can only hope... 😏

Mentioned NPCs and pointed out the white genocide in South Africa

@Procella Eques used to happen to me all the time. Then I deactivated. People have a harder time calling you random names irl.

@Procella Eques Yeah, that'll do it. Shouldn't be that way, obviously, but it is what it is...

White genocide is a white supremacist conspiracy theory

Obviously

I'm still on the fence about the term. I mean , according to the UN's own definition, it does qualify as a genocide, but it doesn't jive with the cattle car-laden images that have been seeded in people's minds by Hollywood.

White dispossession is far easier to defend in an elevator.

It's hard to argue genocide with NPCs. Easier to argue replacement.

Which you can get them to agree and notice - but then they ask "why is that so bad."

And things get tricky

Then you have to target what they care about.

Especially if they're universalistic in their delusions, and, rather than simply applying a double standard just to White people, they actually believe that *no* people has legitimate collective interests or territorial rights.

I would assume they are already egalitarian and even cosmopolitan for sure

I s'pose you could still come in from a disparate impact angle, though, citing the fact that it's only White peoples that are *actually* impacted by these policies.

Sadly, even if you prove that, I've had more people ask why that's such a bad thing (less white people).

I've found you must target what they deeply care about. If they care about the environment/animals its as simple as asking what other race of people have put in place laws and protections for our environment?

Yeah. The insanity knows no end. An important point to remember though, is that, except in cases like the Facebook scenario above, you aren't actually trying to convince the ideologues by arguing with them, but rather, the bystanders.

@FACINEMA has some great physiological debate points as well. You plant a seed in their mind and let it grow.

@Bjorn - MD exactly right. That's important.

Plant the seeds. No one wants to be told what to believe

I really need to work on my debate game. It's definitely not one of my strong points. I feel like we should have regular workshops among our local meetups, kinda like a BASTE Toastmasters.

The literature club and I are going to try and complete a debate club this winter.

Yea and they always bring up the point "well it was their land before Europeans invaded"

But with me buying a house and getting married, it's hard to find the time.

land was bought for at least 15% of it was

at the time of settlement

@CarletonJ That'd be cool. Yeah, I was really diggin' the book club, briefly, but I ended up ducking out due to time constraints, but I may make my way back in there.

I'm pretty sure most of it was purchased though

I agree w practicing our debate skills at meetups. I get too emotionally involved in discussions on these topics, and that’s an easy way to lose someone on the other side of the fence

@Bjorn - MD we learned a ton from our first year. We're going to focus on having smaller sized books to allow people to catch up and read easier. We found most members are just too busy to have what is essentially another homework assignment.

Cool, cool. I do envy the fact that you guys made it through CoC, though.

@Procella Eques I've been kicked off multiple Asatru Faceberg pages for mentioning South Africa...and that was over 2 years ago. I can't imagine how triggered those Wiccatru types are over anything pro-white these days...

Coc proved to be an atrocious read. It was a considerably blackpilling experience.

@Asatru Artist - MD Yeah, if you ever watch Carolyn Emerick's stuff, she'll periodically go into her hit-and-run battles with the Troth. It's kind of hard listening to her streams, lately, though, because as uncannily soothing as her voice can be, it's grating listening to her frequently spiral into anti-"Dolt Right" monologues...

The Troth are Universalist garbage...

Agreed.

It's all the more frustrating, because she never really fully fleshes out whom she's referring to by using said epithet. Sometimes, it sounds like she's going on about wignats, and I can obviously get on board there. Other times, she alludes to the excesses of the Thot Wars, and I'm willing to hear her out on that, too, but other times, I wonder if she isn't just peddling the fallacy of Pagan gender egalitarianism...

To be fair, women had a lot more rights there than many other areas up until very recently...which is why you have a "feminist government" in Sweden now. <:sad:366743316475281408>

And which is also why "feelz over realz" is destroying that country...

i.e. Just because Jarls weren't putting their wives in burlap bags, that doesn't mean that "shieldmaidens" were actually a thing... 😉

Yeah.

You leave Lagertha out of this @Bjorn - MD !

😍

Lol

Lagertha is the ultimate waifu shieldmaiden, keep your haggus loving paws off @Asatru Artist - MD

Duel at noon?

Wait...wrong time period. 🤔

How bout a Yu gi oh duel at noon

>tfw no YuGiOh cards. <:sad:366743316475281408>

You're not white if you don't play yugioh

I have some Magic cards from like 20 years ago...does that count?

Magic is for cucks, yugioh is for chads

Crap...

My brother had hundreds of yugioh cards, some personal things happen and he's out of the house and we just got rid if them, I don't know why we didn't sell them, we'd have gotten a decent amount of money just on sheet volume

For anyone who didnt catch last night's Trump rally in Texas, here are some of the highlights. Find it on YouTube and watch from 1:15:00 on.

"I am a nationalist, start using that term"

"This state was settled by some of the toughest men"

"William Travis, James Bowie and Davy Crockett made their last stand at the Alamo"
- defeat of Mexican army after the battle of San Jacinto, 1836.

"The battle of Gonzales we stared down a foreign army and declared come and take it"
- Mexican invaders defeated 1835

"Pioneers built a home with their own two hands"

"These courageous texian Patriots did not shed their blood, sweat and tears, so we could sit at home while others try to erase their legacy. Tear down our history and destroy our proud American Heritage."

"We are America, our hearts bleed red white and blue"

- President Donald Trump, 10-22-2018, Texas.

@fgtveassassin Probably not as much as you would think. I sold off a bunch of my old yugioh cards recently and I barely got any money out of them

FeelsBad
That "our hearts bleed red white and blue" is a really good one

The whole speech was great but those last 5 minutes were straight white pills

@Why Tea agreed!!