human nature cannot be one of vice

I'm still pretty undecided on economics

Growth is over rated. We need stability

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If you consider greed vice, then it is

I'm ripe for converting to your favorite system

@YourFundamentalTheorum Vice is inextricably human

would you not agree that grid is vice?

*greed

feel free to proselytize to me

@Jacob national syndicalism is best

it measures economic status by how many cows you have

it seems pretty cool

A mixed market economy is the best way forward imo along with an identitarian state

@Jacob Mongolian Bolshevism, everyone gets a share of the loot

@Deleted User would you not agree that vice has to be improved instead of cajoled?

You won't breed out vice.

that doesn't mean you shouldnt' fight it

Communists say "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." When it is pointed out that people will not be productive enough without incentives, they say people simply shouldn't be greedy.
That is why communism will always fail. It rests on the idea that human nature must change. Every endeavor to go against human nature so fundamentally has always led to nothing but disaster

> you won't stop dumb teens doing weed
> so let's legalize it
that's awfully leftist

Look, you know what server we're in. I'm all for fighting vice. I just think you're addressing the problem incorrectly

What forms of vice should be stamped out besides porn and drug use?

Declaring human nature vice will not change it. It is not rooted in the economic system itself, so changing the system will jot root it out

@TMatthews religion is fundamentally against human nature, yet here it is.

Christianity is explicitly idealistic, yet here it stands

Religion is absolutely part of human nature. It gives explanations for why things are and a way of making morality seem objective. It provides a basis for social order if all abide by it

Would you guys agree that the social programs that exist in the US should be focused on the people who are the main demographic? (Essentially the people who's families have been here longest)

(Welfare, benefits, social security, etc)

>indian americans become the richest demographic

Christianity is not predicated on human nature being altered, but rather on it being forgiven

good take, @the pic

@TMatthews eh that's protestantism

catholicism and orthodoxy are very explicit about how humans are by default corrupt

and that human nature is a corrupted form of God's nature

When speaking of the families that have been there the longest, I am referring to European people

Exactly. Humans are all sinners and always will be, but they can strive to be better and seek forgiveness

At least that's the idea

I disagree and I would say why but I have to go sleep

cya

Interesting conversations. Goodnight y'all