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Anyone else getting a little bit more and more of a fever pitch kinda vibe or is that just me?
The sheer lack of respect for human rights is astounding.
Also, (((Christine Fair))).
still can't believe tucker put ((())) on his show
She is apparently a Professor at George Town.
didn't read the statement from earlier?
uni backs her of course, but she got suspended from twitter
Someone said she got kick off Twitter.
People keep posting the things I was saying directly above my posts. You guys gotta stop doing that. 😬
This is a conspiracy.
Oh ditto to what
Sorry I was laundry
Hi laundry I'm [Redacted]. 😀
I was saying ditto to the Alabama people like Israel and her people way too much.
Oh god yeah
It’s so frustrating
My aunt (who’s basically a fundie) literally says “we are going to be judged for how poorly we treat Israel”
I just kinda tune it out
A lot of people just. Say things that don’t mean anything.
*She speaks, but says nothing*
"I'm so glad we moved the capital of Israel! This is just as good as a wall ya know? Make literally anywhere else great again!"
MLAEGA for short.
The Talmud was written between 200 and 500 AD. And Christ Himself called the Pharisees "sons of the devil."
The Church is the new, true Israel
"We are God's chosen people." 🤓
"According to his son you are not." 😋
Trump has done a lot of good
Rise & grind IE
Can anyone here draw **very** well in a cartooney style (or know someone who can)
@fgtveassassin "I think there *are* real differences between the genders that are real, and biological, and are verifiable. They're reflected in DNA. We don't believe that about *race*, though, do we? Do we think that certain races have more wisdom, or more honesty than others..." <:nervous:359009898115104770>
*Cue Enoch voice: "Uhhhhh, like... Low-key..."
"Studies have shown that a 10% increase in workforce diversity results in a 1% increase in productivity..." 🤔
...said no economically literate person EVER.
...and I about crapped myself when she admitted outright that diversity was "no White men."
These people, I swear...
Say what you will about Cronkite and co.; I can't help but feel increasingly that Tucker Carlson may well be the best anchor in the history of televised news.
@Bjorn - MD How do you respond to the claim that diversity brings more productivity?
@sigruna14 my response is that if the study is true then that we no longer need affirmative action to incentivize hiring non-white men
I'd say, if diversity brought with it more productivity, then the most diverse Nations like Nigeria or Haiti, would be economic powerhouses
Good old Japan is the counter example. not diverse. Very productive
I white knight so much for Japan I feel like Uncle Jared. Or a weeb
What can I say? It's a nice place. Though I didn't belong there permanently, of course.
Japan is my go to for a lot of positive arguments, Mexico for negative arguments
Man I had an opportunity to go 8 years ago, I wish I had taken it.
I was worried about "money", but in the large scheme of things now that I have a real job I see it wouldn't have been that much.
Japan hasn't drastically changed like western Europe. You still can go. Just be aware of the groundwater situation in northern honshu.
Also, unless you are a real Dixie bro and can handle it, don't go to Japan between May-August. Much too humid
yeah. I have a non-IE friend who has been going there rather frequently now. His brother is stationed with the navy there so he goes live with him for months at a time
so basically I ask him all my questions about Japan
Oh, right 👍 I thought it was a diversity problem for a second, phew
Lol radiation > blegs
chernobyl at least generates tourist revenue
cant say the same for the ghetto
That's another 75,000-100,000 African Whites who are about to get effed.
I'm seeing the same talking points: Land redistribution, land ownership inequality, reparations due to colonisation.
Yep. Remarkably similar... 🤔
How long till Jamaica and other Caribbean countries follow suit...?
A political leader in Jamaica has made "fair" land distribution one of his goals if he wins office over there, fingers crossed mate
Thankfully, Suidlanders have a Namibian chapter, and have already been anticipating this. Let's just hope they have their stuff together...
Hopefully, if things get bad enough in the Caribbean, they're close enough that we can arrange the White equivalent of the Mariel Boatlift: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift
Brett Kavanaugh’s house is being vandalized. @Reinhard Wolff we should go clean it up
To go clean it up? Lol
No. That it's happening, lol.
Yeah, it is a good idea.
Some sites are saying it’s fake news hold on
Yeah I'm not seeing anything on it
He lives in chevy chase, md apparently
I have an alleged house address but it doesn’t look anything like the house in the vandalism photos so...
Probably just fake news
Would’ve been a good idea but I can’t verify
honestly its probably not a good idea to walk onto the mans property
I like the idea but hes gotta have guards & whatnot. id say the odds are good that theyd just let us clean it if it was his place, but theres a good chance of a fracas.
assuming it did happen its worth a shot i think
I'm diggin' this look. This could actually represent a nice pivot if and when we should decide to rebrand...
I think we should continue to use American iconography, but keep the name Identity Evropa. We're not a civnat group. We are and will always be explicitly European
@TMatthews I'm on the fence. What you're saying is valid. The question is just whether we can make the idea of European identity less esoteric from the average normie's point of view. If not, we're going to need to reclaim "American" as an explicitly European identity.
Reclaiming "American" as a European identity by distancing ourselves from Europe seems counterintuitive. Our name now states clearly what we're about, whereas American identity can mean almost anything to anyone. The ability to say "we're just a group that celebrates European American heritage and identity" is arguably more normie friendly than saying we want an American identity that excludes other races, imo
Granted, but even in using the term "European-American," the insinuation is that European-Americans are a subset of a larger, ambiguously American group, whereas if we were simply advocating for a *European* identity, which is admittedly my preference, then we wouldn't feel the need to use the term European-American in the first place. It's definitely fraught, and it's gonna be a process...
American identity is European in origin, but it did also develop in unique ways. I'm fine with saying just European heritage, but I also use Vdare's term "the traditional American nation" in contrast with the America of today
Thing are still very much in flux. I'm not married to any particular means; only the end.
Hey, does anyone remember who that young, college-age Alt Right-ish redhead who was doing videos like a year ago? She was kind of, like, the Rage Against Storm or Lauren Rose before said duo, but she was a Germanophile would speak German in some of her videos, had some pretty significant cinematic chops, and kept her stuff pretty esoteric and plausibly deniable...
She deleted all her stuff, and disappeared from the face of the Earth a while back...
Man. Couldn't remember to save my life...
"vidyas" become "body as"
her VIDEOS were a highlight of my redpill month april-may 2017
Yeah, her stuff *was* really promising...
It's was disappointing to see her go.
From what I remember she went to boarding school in Europe. Daughter of some elites I am sure
White elites, but elites all the same
Meh. She'd be an improvement on what we have now...
Not a criticism. I am postulating cause of her radio silence
No worries. Yeah, I figured.
/ourgirl/ and a redhead 😍
Not sure about the trad con part, but yeah, definitely a looker, and at least a double-threat.
she's /ourgirl/ for sure, too bad her channel has everything deleted or turned to private
Who do I talk to about a potential activism idea which multiple chapters could take part in?
Check out @inminivanhell’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/inminivanhell/status/1047481694159159296?s=09
Anyone wanna get in on this
This was brutal.
I like American Identity but I also don't think it makes sense. People might find us hypocritical. "What about the chinese that built the railroads in this country blah blah blah"
You can counter the railroad thing with the fact that we didn’t naturalize the chinamen and banned their women from the country entirely in the 1890’s
Really if you look into any substantial minority population in the US you will also find laws and deportations that support the Government’s defense of our supermajority
60% of the Hispanics we’ve deported on an ethnic basis had birthright citizenship at the time of their deportation
yea I'm just saying as an example. There dozens of examples like that. It just convolutes the message of who we are. We'd just have to constantly counter it
Identity Evropa just makes sense. We don't really need to explain it
^ i agree
I agree in the sense that we need more patriotic symbolism sure
American patriotism more specifically
we can use American iconography while keeping the IE name.
Yeah I agree as well. Would divert from our message
I think if we ever needed to change anything it would be our logo / icon and the color scheme
the teal is nice and eye catching though
the upside down triangle is cool but its also synonymous with the symbol for homosexuality before the rainbow flag...
the teal is cool but it also kind of reinforces the above
hmm, never seen that
wait, are triangles traps? 🤔
and are they...
Re: the name change, I think this is a case of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
@bspon002 Tweet demonstrates the "diversity" squad isn't about raising non-whites up, but bringing whites down.
> pink triangle
> teal dragons eye
Nobody associates that triangle with the IE symbol that I've seen
the triangle is also synonymous with the trinity God head
Rebranding at this point is a major task and the risk/reward doesnt seem worthwhile
yea I'm just saying
I don't think we should rebrand but if he really going to do it that would be my two cents
Lol gotta show you guys this
I personally like the valknut
and this is coming from a heathen...
yea true. I think the dragon's eye is pretty Chad too
plus it makes sense with who we are
Tbh i think the dragons eye is really boring
ive never even heard leftists comparing the IE logo with the gay triangle
The dragon's eye is Chadly. "Identity Evropa" defines who we are *perfectly*
If we’re gonna make brand changes i think it would make more sense to change things like the logo rather than the name
The point of rebranding would be to disassociate with the negative connotation of the Virginia rally, another option is to increase PR and change the public image of IE to forget that ever happened. Similar to how the Sweden Democrats use to be associated with WN 1.0 and now are more mainstream.
Dragons eyes is the threshold of esotericism. Can't do Celtic crosses, or black suns.
i think the founders of IE found a great combo of name and iconography tbh
I argued him away from this lmao
It's modern, sleek, and has great aesthetic colours. I see no reason to change anything, because changing our logo and name, means we're basically resetting all of our progress.
There is probably some Americana symbol we could appropriate instead of changing the name, that would kill two birds with one stone without the problems involved with name change
yea I don't think we should change frankly
No change either, we already reached peak optics with it, hard to improve off of Perfect
Change posters from Greco Roman to Norman Rockwell?
People who obsess over little details and symbolism are cancer
hmm, i see nothing about juice or masons with the dragons eye info
You can't fix perfect <:usinnoodle:420778112226164736>
Yeah he basically backed down from his position after I pointed out that he sounded like a nut with an irrational fear of triangles and that Koch was a awarded Lutheran Evangelist
@Asatru Artist - MD
Hudson School art (Beirdstat, Cole, Moran) is american in a euro tradition
I endorse Norman Rockwell imagery
Triangles are in nature. Hard to avoid them.
A fundemental of mathematics law
The dragons eye is so boring and plain that the overwhelming majority of people will probably not even notice it
I really do think our logo is perfect
It’s definitely the weakest part of our aesthetic
I don't think think we should change the dragons eye logo. But it depends on what type of people we want to attract. Evropa is esoteric but we would attract a much smaller following but more intellectual types people. On the other hand if we changed our name to Identify Columbia or Americana it would be easier to market ourselves and we'd attract more normie tier people.
You’re nuts then. It’s the most boring logo imaginable
@Sherlock That's a good thing to be honest, our messages become more passive than anything
I'd say the <#359019439116648458> section proves people notice the logo just fine...
The dangerous thing with attracting normie-tier people, is that we would be heavily watered down
But like i said i think we’re probably better off just keeping what we have
The dragons eye is an essential part of our brand
Easy to draw as well
It isnt more essential than the name. It makes much more sense to change the logo to reflect new focus than to change the namr
Really easy to produce on flyers, edit on software, etc
It’s boring and nobody will ever remember it much less know that it’s a meaningful symbol
For all you christians the Chi Rho is a pretty cool symbol too just FYI
The whole point of a symbol is to be somewhat eyecatching and memorable
One IE member I know has a tattoo of it over his heart it's pretty badass
@Procella Eques Always found that symbol nice, something about it is a novelty
@The Eternal Anglo it has a lot of overlapping symbolism with egyptian pharoahs too, which I think is intentional
@Sherlock Why do you think it's boring? Could you provide an example that would be less boring and more aesthetic ?
I like the logo haha
I think its pretty sweet
It’s boring because it’s a triangle
As far as a better one, idk. We’d have to think of something
I disagree with alot of the sentiments expressed in the past hour.
Identity Evropa, is pretty difficult to express exactly who we are and what we are about. Even an elevator pitch (~30) to someone about Identity Evropa leaves them with more questions than answers. "Europa... but this is America" "Why not american identity?" "What's with the triangle" "What's with the 'V'" People just don't *get it*. We should seek to be a mainstream movement. Having a familiar and normal name, color scheme and symbolism go a long way to normalizing our views. We have to move past the "Evropean Neitzchian/Faustian esoteric racialist club" mindset.
Additionally, there are things we want to move away from. A new org would provide some distance from our founder (he's a great man who put his mark on the universe, and I think we all understand the nuance of his situation, but let's call it what it is) "A felon convicted of a hate crime who became aware of white Identity via a book by former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke"
That's not to mention comments by a one Eli Mosley, espousing literal exterminationist rhetoric and lying about his military record.
That's not to mention Charlottesville.
In summary, I think Identity Evropa sounds weird and decidedly foreign to an American ear. Additionally some of these really cursed associations will always plague Identity Evropa - perhaps less so with a new org.
So you're saying we need to be something more like "The Minutemen"
I should have prefaced - this is MY personal opinion, not the opinion of leadership as a whole. We have not come to a consensus on the matter. Rigorous debate on serious issues is pretty healthy IMO, so keep it coming.
or something more foundationally American?
Just more american in general
"The Tea Party" was a pretty good one as an example
Several people are typing...
We still need to convey that we are an organization explicitly for white people
My problem with us becoming more, "American" is the question of: What will make us different from other American-advocating orgs? the term, 'American' to most normies, has negative connotation to it, people can easily say, "What about the blacks or the Chinese?" They could also use ol'reliable, "America is the melting pot!"
@Deleted User I think potentially rebranding is better than forming a new organization and we should keep the dragons eye logo. But maybe change our name to something more American like Identity Columbia and change the color scheme to red, white and blue.
If they look at us, and compare us to a civ-nat group... it would be easy for a normie to dismiss us as other, 'specifically American' groups who also wanted to keep, 'America American'
They would prefer the civ-nat group instead
If we were to Americanize our aesthetics we would need a motta to go with the logo and name that conveys we are explicitly white
And yeah what would differentiate us from TPUSA
Also, I think brand and name recognition are very important. This would toss a lot of that away, it’s like changing your name and avatar online lmao
I'm in agreement that a name change ends up making us look like milktoast civnats <:sad:366743316475281408>
"America" =/= white to a vast majority of people now imho
We're already doing so incredibly well with what we have, I think changing any of our progress would hurt more than it would do good for us. All the problems we're facing right now, is due to bad mistakes from recent leadership, but our name has not been necessarily tainted, at all either.
If we *DID* change our name, what's stopping the SPLC and ADL listing us as another "Evil white supremacist Nazi" group? It makes the loss of social capital useless, we would lose FAR more than we would potentially gain
@The Eternal Anglo or just labeling us "formerly Identity Evropa"
...though we'd probably lose that with the rebrand.
To be fair, we do a pretty good job at not being labeled "Former National Youth Front"
Yeah I don’t think Nathan’s stuff dogs us that much at all
no matter our name, rebranding will just be a new name for the (((media))) to smear as evil whitey
I think it would only be a matter of time before the SPLC/ADL crowd recognized familiar faces. What they think doesn't matter. What matters is what the average White person thinks of both us and them.
and no, we don't care what the ADL says about us, but normies do, so a rebrand doesn't fix a thing imo
and just makes us look like optics cucks
Identity CivNat is all it would look like to most. <:really:453005408064241674>
The only way a name change makes any sense is if it’s altering the message it sends. But again i think the risk/reward isnt worth it and it would be better to change the logo
I think your average White person is looks upon with the SPLC and ADL with more and more suspicion by the day. They key is continuing to agitate and drive them crazy, while leaving nothing with which to fault us.
Exactly, our target audience is to gain the trust, and respect of the average White American, not the attention of the Mass media, SPLC, and ADL.
Secondly, which this is very important... people today, now more than ever, have a *huge* distrust of the MSM, and other big orgs associated with the MSM. We're set up perfectly
If we’re going to change anything at all
I think rebranding would give us a certain distance from Charlottesville and give us more legitimacy to appeal to the average Conservative and Centrist. But we shouldn't do it to get the media or the SPLC off our backs, we should do it so we can reach our target demographic.
Plus we’re doing pretty great right now. No need for the debate atm, and I think Patrick has been pretty clear about his stance for the time being
We *ARE* optics cucks. The Optics War proved how vital optics are, lol.
@Sherlock and what is your logo suggestion? what conveys what you see as proper and bold?
optics cucking to the point of looking like boring civnats is a bridge too far though
Too much rebranding ruins the brand and the reputation that we have built with people who aren’t paying super close attention
That being said, wouldn’t mind if we change the v to a u lmao
@Asatru Artist - MD It would be an aesthetic change, not an idealogical change. It's not like we'd start accepting based Nigerians if we rebranded. So how is it optics cucking?
I just don't want IE to end up being watered down with a bunch of civnat normies that eventually *do* want to bring in That Guy T or Brian Logan or some other "Based blegs"
There would be virtually no aesthetic difference between us, and the other (majority) civnat groups in the United States. What makes us so effective is that *we are* unique in the way we present ourselves, our organisation, and our message.
@Asatru Artist - MD Same here. We'd be retaining the same leadership and standards, though.
see, changing the v to a u i could get behind