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2018-10-03 04:57:09 UTC


2018-10-03 04:57:28 UTC

Anyone else getting a little bit more and more of a fever pitch kinda vibe or is that just me?

2018-10-03 04:57:41 UTC


2018-10-03 04:57:48 UTC

The sheer lack of respect for human rights is astounding.

2018-10-03 04:58:00 UTC

Also, (((Christine Fair))).

2018-10-03 04:58:03 UTC

enough said

2018-10-03 04:58:36 UTC

still can't believe tucker put ((())) on his show

2018-10-03 04:58:56 UTC

She is apparently a Professor at George Town.

2018-10-03 04:59:07 UTC

didn't read the statement from earlier?

2018-10-03 04:59:18 UTC

uni backs her of course, but she got suspended from twitter

2018-10-03 04:59:27 UTC

Someone said she got kick off Twitter.

2018-10-03 05:00:46 UTC

People keep posting the things I was saying directly above my posts. You guys gotta stop doing that. 😬

2018-10-03 05:01:20 UTC

IE hivemind

2018-10-03 05:01:31 UTC


2018-10-03 05:01:42 UTC

This is a conspiracy.

2018-10-03 05:02:37 UTC

Oh ditto to what

2018-10-03 05:02:43 UTC

Sorry I was laundry

2018-10-03 05:07:40 UTC

Hi laundry I'm [Redacted]. 😀

I was saying ditto to the Alabama people like Israel and her people way too much.

2018-10-03 05:09:46 UTC

Oh god yeah

2018-10-03 05:10:05 UTC

It’s so frustrating

2018-10-03 05:10:55 UTC

My aunt (who’s basically a fundie) literally says “we are going to be judged for how poorly we treat Israel”

2018-10-03 05:11:58 UTC

Literally what

2018-10-03 05:16:03 UTC

I just kinda tune it out

2018-10-03 05:16:16 UTC

A lot of people just. Say things that don’t mean anything.

2018-10-03 05:16:25 UTC

*She speaks, but says nothing*

2018-10-03 05:21:51 UTC

"I'm so glad we moved the capital of Israel! This is just as good as a wall ya know? Make literally anywhere else great again!"

2018-10-03 05:22:39 UTC

MLAEGA for short.

2018-10-03 05:27:25 UTC

The Talmud was written between 200 and 500 AD. And Christ Himself called the Pharisees "sons of the devil."

2018-10-03 05:27:50 UTC

The Church is the new, true Israel

2018-10-03 05:54:16 UTC


2018-10-03 06:00:17 UTC

"We are God's chosen people." 🤓

"According to his son you are not." 😋

2018-10-03 11:02:54 UTC

Trump has done a lot of good

2018-10-03 11:09:23 UTC

Rise & grind IE

2018-10-03 12:13:10 UTC


2018-10-03 12:13:21 UTC

Identity Skrrrtvropa

2018-10-03 12:13:45 UTC

Can anyone here draw **very** well in a cartooney style (or know someone who can)

2018-10-03 12:13:48 UTC

NOT anime.

2018-10-03 12:18:13 UTC

@fgtveassassin "I think there *are* real differences between the genders that are real, and biological, and are verifiable. They're reflected in DNA. We don't believe that about *race*, though, do we? Do we think that certain races have more wisdom, or more honesty than others..." <:nervous:359009898115104770>

2018-10-03 12:18:41 UTC

*Cue Enoch voice: "Uhhhhh, like... Low-key..."

2018-10-03 12:23:51 UTC

"Studies have shown that a 10% increase in workforce diversity results in a 1% increase in productivity..." 🤔

2018-10-03 12:24:05 UTC

...said no economically literate person EVER.

2018-10-03 12:24:38 UTC

...and I about crapped myself when she admitted outright that diversity was "no White men."

2018-10-03 12:24:48 UTC

These people, I swear...

2018-10-03 12:27:02 UTC

Say what you will about Cronkite and co.; I can't help but feel increasingly that Tucker Carlson may well be the best anchor in the history of televised news.

2018-10-03 12:55:15 UTC

@Bjorn - MD How do you respond to the claim that diversity brings more productivity?

2018-10-03 13:06:23 UTC

@sigruna14 my response is that if the study is true then that we no longer need affirmative action to incentivize hiring non-white men

2018-10-03 13:06:40 UTC

I'd say, if diversity brought with it more productivity, then the most diverse Nations like Nigeria or Haiti, would be economic powerhouses

2018-10-03 13:14:11 UTC

Good old Japan is the counter example. not diverse. Very productive

2018-10-03 13:16:39 UTC

I white knight so much for Japan I feel like Uncle Jared. Or a weeb

2018-10-03 13:17:48 UTC

What can I say? It's a nice place. Though I didn't belong there permanently, of course.

2018-10-03 13:18:38 UTC

Japan is my go to for a lot of positive arguments, Mexico for negative arguments

2018-10-03 13:18:44 UTC

Man I had an opportunity to go 8 years ago, I wish I had taken it.

2018-10-03 13:19:39 UTC

I was worried about "money", but in the large scheme of things now that I have a real job I see it wouldn't have been that much.

2018-10-03 13:19:42 UTC

Japan hasn't drastically changed like western Europe. You still can go. Just be aware of the groundwater situation in northern honshu.

2018-10-03 13:21:19 UTC

Also, unless you are a real Dixie bro and can handle it, don't go to Japan between May-August. Much too humid

2018-10-03 13:22:40 UTC

yeah. I have a non-IE friend who has been going there rather frequently now. His brother is stationed with the navy there so he goes live with him for months at a time

2018-10-03 13:23:01 UTC

so basically I ask him all my questions about Japan

2018-10-03 13:27:34 UTC


2018-10-03 13:29:09 UTC

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN What's going on in Northern Honshu?

2018-10-03 13:30:08 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo Just Fukushima fallout

2018-10-03 13:30:34 UTC

Oh, right 👍 I thought it was a diversity problem for a second, phew

2018-10-03 13:30:50 UTC

Lol radiation > blegs

2018-10-03 13:31:58 UTC

chernobyl at least generates tourist revenue

2018-10-03 13:32:02 UTC

cant say the same for the ghetto

2018-10-03 13:34:01 UTC

That's another 75,000-100,000 African Whites who are about to get effed.

2018-10-03 13:36:22 UTC

I'm seeing the same talking points: Land redistribution, land ownership inequality, reparations due to colonisation.

2018-10-03 13:36:47 UTC

Yep. Remarkably similar... 🤔

2018-10-03 13:37:07 UTC

How long till Jamaica and other Caribbean countries follow suit...?

2018-10-03 13:39:55 UTC

A political leader in Jamaica has made "fair" land distribution one of his goals if he wins office over there, fingers crossed mate

2018-10-03 13:40:30 UTC

😑 ...

2018-10-03 13:43:06 UTC

Thankfully, Suidlanders have a Namibian chapter, and have already been anticipating this. Let's just hope they have their stuff together...

2018-10-03 13:49:27 UTC

Hopefully, if things get bad enough in the Caribbean, they're close enough that we can arrange the White equivalent of the Mariel Boatlift: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

2018-10-03 13:49:45 UTC

Brett Kavanaugh’s house is being vandalized. @Reinhard Wolff we should go clean it up

2018-10-03 13:50:32 UTC

That's insane.

2018-10-03 13:50:50 UTC

To go clean it up? Lol

2018-10-03 13:51:01 UTC

No. That it's happening, lol.

2018-10-03 13:51:03 UTC

@Procella Eques Amazing idea to be honest

2018-10-03 13:51:38 UTC

Yeah, it is a good idea.

2018-10-03 13:52:57 UTC

Some sites are saying it’s fake news hold on

2018-10-03 13:55:18 UTC

Yeah I'm not seeing anything on it

2018-10-03 13:56:03 UTC

@Deleted User what do you need drawn?

2018-10-03 14:09:19 UTC

He lives in chevy chase, md apparently

2018-10-03 14:09:53 UTC

I have an alleged house address but it doesn’t look anything like the house in the vandalism photos so...

2018-10-03 14:10:00 UTC

Probably just fake news

2018-10-03 14:10:42 UTC

Would’ve been a good idea but I can’t verify

2018-10-03 14:25:13 UTC

honestly its probably not a good idea to walk onto the mans property

2018-10-03 14:25:44 UTC

I like the idea but hes gotta have guards & whatnot. id say the odds are good that theyd just let us clean it if it was his place, but theres a good chance of a fracas.

2018-10-03 14:26:14 UTC

assuming it did happen its worth a shot i think

2018-10-03 14:28:54 UTC

I'm diggin' this look. This could actually represent a nice pivot if and when we should decide to rebrand...


2018-10-03 14:31:57 UTC

I think we should continue to use American iconography, but keep the name Identity Evropa. We're not a civnat group. We are and will always be explicitly European

2018-10-03 14:35:17 UTC

@TMatthews I'm on the fence. What you're saying is valid. The question is just whether we can make the idea of European identity less esoteric from the average normie's point of view. If not, we're going to need to reclaim "American" as an explicitly European identity.

2018-10-03 14:39:56 UTC

Reclaiming "American" as a European identity by distancing ourselves from Europe seems counterintuitive. Our name now states clearly what we're about, whereas American identity can mean almost anything to anyone. The ability to say "we're just a group that celebrates European American heritage and identity" is arguably more normie friendly than saying we want an American identity that excludes other races, imo

2018-10-03 14:45:21 UTC

Granted, but even in using the term "European-American," the insinuation is that European-Americans are a subset of a larger, ambiguously American group, whereas if we were simply advocating for a *European* identity, which is admittedly my preference, then we wouldn't feel the need to use the term European-American in the first place. It's definitely fraught, and it's gonna be a process...

2018-10-03 14:49:53 UTC

American identity is European in origin, but it did also develop in unique ways. I'm fine with saying just European heritage, but I also use Vdare's term "the traditional American nation" in contrast with the America of today

2018-10-03 14:52:42 UTC

Thing are still very much in flux. I'm not married to any particular means; only the end.

2018-10-03 14:58:26 UTC

Hey, does anyone remember who that young, college-age Alt Right-ish redhead who was doing videos like a year ago? She was kind of, like, the Rage Against Storm or Lauren Rose before said duo, but she was a Germanophile would speak German in some of her videos, had some pretty significant cinematic chops, and kept her stuff pretty esoteric and plausibly deniable...

2018-10-03 14:58:59 UTC

She deleted all her stuff, and disappeared from the face of the Earth a while back...

2018-10-03 15:00:52 UTC

Dreamy Diglot

2018-10-03 15:01:02 UTC

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN Yeah, that's her!

2018-10-03 15:01:10 UTC

Man. Couldn't remember to save my life...

2018-10-03 15:01:22 UTC


2018-10-03 15:01:36 UTC

Fucking autocorrect

2018-10-03 15:02:00 UTC

"vidyas" become "body as"

2018-10-03 15:02:21 UTC

Sure... 😏

2018-10-03 15:02:25 UTC

her VIDEOS were a highlight of my redpill month april-may 2017

2018-10-03 15:02:43 UTC

Yeah, her stuff *was* really promising...

2018-10-03 15:02:49 UTC

It's was disappointing to see her go.

2018-10-03 15:03:28 UTC

From what I remember she went to boarding school in Europe. Daughter of some elites I am sure

2018-10-03 15:03:47 UTC

White elites, but elites all the same

2018-10-03 15:04:33 UTC

Meh. She'd be an improvement on what we have now...

2018-10-03 15:04:58 UTC

Not a criticism. I am postulating cause of her radio silence

2018-10-03 15:05:23 UTC

No worries. Yeah, I figured.

2018-10-03 15:06:48 UTC

/ourgirl/ and a redhead 😍

2018-10-03 15:09:25 UTC


2018-10-03 15:10:13 UTC

Not sure about the trad con part, but yeah, definitely a looker, and at least a double-threat.

2018-10-03 15:14:28 UTC

she's /ourgirl/ for sure, too bad her channel has everything deleted or turned to private

2018-10-03 15:31:03 UTC

Who do I talk to about a potential activism idea which multiple chapters could take part in?

2018-10-03 15:34:14 UTC

@John Riggs Probably talk to @wayne peek about getting into the activism server to post your idea.

2018-10-03 15:37:45 UTC
2018-10-03 15:38:06 UTC

Anyone wanna get in on this

2018-10-03 15:41:55 UTC

This was brutal.

2018-10-03 15:42:15 UTC

I like American Identity but I also don't think it makes sense. People might find us hypocritical. "What about the chinese that built the railroads in this country blah blah blah"

2018-10-03 15:44:29 UTC

You can counter the railroad thing with the fact that we didn’t naturalize the chinamen and banned their women from the country entirely in the 1890’s

2018-10-03 15:46:18 UTC

Really if you look into any substantial minority population in the US you will also find laws and deportations that support the Government’s defense of our supermajority

2018-10-03 15:46:59 UTC

60% of the Hispanics we’ve deported on an ethnic basis had birthright citizenship at the time of their deportation

2018-10-03 15:49:12 UTC

yea I'm just saying as an example. There dozens of examples like that. It just convolutes the message of who we are. We'd just have to constantly counter it

2018-10-03 15:49:27 UTC

Identity Evropa just makes sense. We don't really need to explain it

2018-10-03 15:49:42 UTC

^ i agree

2018-10-03 15:50:19 UTC

I agree in the sense that we need more patriotic symbolism sure

2018-10-03 15:50:34 UTC

American patriotism more specifically

2018-10-03 15:50:40 UTC

we can use American iconography while keeping the IE name.

2018-10-03 15:50:41 UTC

Yeah I agree as well. Would divert from our message

2018-10-03 15:51:24 UTC

I think if we ever needed to change anything it would be our logo / icon and the color scheme

2018-10-03 15:52:10 UTC

the teal is nice and eye catching though

2018-10-03 15:52:11 UTC

the upside down triangle is cool but its also synonymous with the symbol for homosexuality before the rainbow flag...

2018-10-03 15:52:22 UTC

the teal is cool but it also kind of reinforces the above

2018-10-03 15:52:24 UTC

hmm, never seen that

2018-10-03 15:52:28 UTC


2018-10-03 15:52:46 UTC

wait, are triangles traps? 🤔

2018-10-03 15:52:52 UTC

and are they...

2018-10-03 15:52:52 UTC

Re: the name change, I think this is a case of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it

2018-10-03 15:53:11 UTC

@bspon002 Tweet demonstrates the "diversity" squad isn't about raising non-whites up, but bringing whites down.

2018-10-03 15:53:30 UTC

so yea

2018-10-03 15:53:45 UTC

> pink triangle
> teal dragons eye

2018-10-03 15:53:51 UTC


2018-10-03 15:54:00 UTC

Nobody associates that triangle with the IE symbol that I've seen

2018-10-03 15:54:02 UTC

the triangle is also synonymous with the trinity God head

2018-10-03 15:54:11 UTC

Rebranding at this point is a major task and the risk/reward doesnt seem worthwhile

2018-10-03 15:54:15 UTC

yea I'm just saying

2018-10-03 15:54:37 UTC

I don't think we should rebrand but if he really going to do it that would be my two cents

2018-10-03 15:55:05 UTC

Lol gotta show you guys this

2018-10-03 15:55:13 UTC

I personally like the valknut

2018-10-03 15:55:22 UTC

too religious

2018-10-03 15:55:29 UTC

and this is coming from a heathen...

2018-10-03 15:55:45 UTC

yea true. I think the dragon's eye is pretty Chad too

2018-10-03 15:55:51 UTC

plus it makes sense with who we are

2018-10-03 15:56:08 UTC

Tbh i think the dragons eye is really boring

2018-10-03 15:56:15 UTC

ive never even heard leftists comparing the IE logo with the gay triangle

2018-10-03 15:56:22 UTC

The dragon's eye is Chadly. "Identity Evropa" defines who we are *perfectly*

2018-10-03 15:56:35 UTC

If we’re gonna make brand changes i think it would make more sense to change things like the logo rather than the name

2018-10-03 15:56:38 UTC

The point of rebranding would be to disassociate with the negative connotation of the Virginia rally, another option is to increase PR and change the public image of IE to forget that ever happened. Similar to how the Sweden Democrats use to be associated with WN 1.0 and now are more mainstream.

2018-10-03 15:56:42 UTC

Dragons eyes is the threshold of esotericism. Can't do Celtic crosses, or black suns.

2018-10-03 15:56:46 UTC


2018-10-03 15:56:48 UTC

i think the founders of IE found a great combo of name and iconography tbh

2018-10-03 15:57:05 UTC

I argued him away from this lmao

2018-10-03 15:57:16 UTC

It's modern, sleek, and has great aesthetic colours. I see no reason to change anything, because changing our logo and name, means we're basically resetting all of our progress.

2018-10-03 15:57:27 UTC

There is probably some Americana symbol we could appropriate instead of changing the name, that would kill two birds with one stone without the problems involved with name change

2018-10-03 15:57:37 UTC

yea I don't think we should change frankly

2018-10-03 15:58:01 UTC

No change either, we already reached peak optics with it, hard to improve off of Perfect

2018-10-03 15:58:02 UTC

Change posters from Greco Roman to Norman Rockwell?

2018-10-03 15:58:12 UTC

People who obsess over little details and symbolism are cancer

2018-10-03 15:58:15 UTC

hmm, i see nothing about juice or masons with the dragons eye info

2018-10-03 15:58:27 UTC

You can't fix perfect <:usinnoodle:420778112226164736>

2018-10-03 15:59:04 UTC

Yeah he basically backed down from his position after I pointed out that he sounded like a nut with an irrational fear of triangles and that Koch was a awarded Lutheran Evangelist
@Asatru Artist - MD

2018-10-03 15:59:10 UTC

Hudson School art (Beirdstat, Cole, Moran) is american in a euro tradition

2018-10-03 15:59:32 UTC

I endorse Norman Rockwell imagery

2018-10-03 16:00:06 UTC

Triangles are in nature. Hard to avoid them.

2018-10-03 16:00:21 UTC

A fundemental of mathematics law

2018-10-03 16:03:33 UTC

The dragons eye is so boring and plain that the overwhelming majority of people will probably not even notice it

2018-10-03 16:03:45 UTC

I really do think our logo is perfect

2018-10-03 16:03:47 UTC

It’s definitely the weakest part of our aesthetic

2018-10-03 16:03:56 UTC

I don't think think we should change the dragons eye logo. But it depends on what type of people we want to attract. Evropa is esoteric but we would attract a much smaller following but more intellectual types people. On the other hand if we changed our name to Identify Columbia or Americana it would be easier to market ourselves and we'd attract more normie tier people.

2018-10-03 16:04:07 UTC

You’re nuts then. It’s the most boring logo imaginable

2018-10-03 16:04:14 UTC

@Sherlock That's a good thing to be honest, our messages become more passive than anything

2018-10-03 16:04:43 UTC

I'd say the <#359019439116648458> section proves people notice the logo just fine...

2018-10-03 16:04:44 UTC

The dangerous thing with attracting normie-tier people, is that we would be heavily watered down

2018-10-03 16:04:46 UTC

But like i said i think we’re probably better off just keeping what we have

2018-10-03 16:05:01 UTC

The dragons eye is an essential part of our brand

2018-10-03 16:05:35 UTC

@Sherlock It's simple and recognisable, what a symbol should be.

2018-10-03 16:05:46 UTC

Easy to draw as well

2018-10-03 16:06:05 UTC

It isnt more essential than the name. It makes much more sense to change the logo to reflect new focus than to change the namr

2018-10-03 16:06:22 UTC

Really easy to produce on flyers, edit on software, etc

2018-10-03 16:06:58 UTC

It’s boring and nobody will ever remember it much less know that it’s a meaningful symbol

2018-10-03 16:07:10 UTC

For all you christians the Chi Rho is a pretty cool symbol too just FYI

2018-10-03 16:07:21 UTC

The whole point of a symbol is to be somewhat eyecatching and memorable

2018-10-03 16:07:49 UTC

One IE member I know has a tattoo of it over his heart it's pretty badass

2018-10-03 16:08:17 UTC

@Procella Eques Always found that symbol nice, something about it is a novelty

2018-10-03 16:08:49 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo it has a lot of overlapping symbolism with egyptian pharoahs too, which I think is intentional

2018-10-03 16:09:18 UTC

@Sherlock Why do you think it's boring? Could you provide an example that would be less boring and more aesthetic ?

2018-10-03 16:09:31 UTC

I like the logo haha

2018-10-03 16:09:46 UTC

I think its pretty sweet

2018-10-03 16:10:01 UTC

It’s boring because it’s a triangle

2018-10-03 16:10:30 UTC

As far as a better one, idk. We’d have to think of something

2018-10-03 16:10:33 UTC

I disagree with alot of the sentiments expressed in the past hour.

Identity Evropa, is pretty difficult to express exactly who we are and what we are about. Even an elevator pitch (~30) to someone about Identity Evropa leaves them with more questions than answers. "Europa... but this is America" "Why not american identity?" "What's with the triangle" "What's with the 'V'" People just don't *get it*. We should seek to be a mainstream movement. Having a familiar and normal name, color scheme and symbolism go a long way to normalizing our views. We have to move past the "Evropean Neitzchian/Faustian esoteric racialist club" mindset.

Additionally, there are things we want to move away from. A new org would provide some distance from our founder (he's a great man who put his mark on the universe, and I think we all understand the nuance of his situation, but let's call it what it is) "A felon convicted of a hate crime who became aware of white Identity via a book by former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke"

That's not to mention comments by a one Eli Mosley, espousing literal exterminationist rhetoric and lying about his military record.

That's not to mention Charlottesville.

In summary, I think Identity Evropa sounds weird and decidedly foreign to an American ear. Additionally some of these really cursed associations will always plague Identity Evropa - perhaps less so with a new org.

2018-10-03 16:12:13 UTC

So you're saying we need to be something more like "The Minutemen"

2018-10-03 16:12:25 UTC

I should have prefaced - this is MY personal opinion, not the opinion of leadership as a whole. We have not come to a consensus on the matter. Rigorous debate on serious issues is pretty healthy IMO, so keep it coming.

2018-10-03 16:12:29 UTC

or something more foundationally American?

2018-10-03 16:12:40 UTC

Just more american in general

2018-10-03 16:12:55 UTC

"The Tea Party" was a pretty good one as an example

2018-10-03 16:14:09 UTC

Several people are typing...

2018-10-03 16:14:14 UTC

We still need to convey that we are an organization explicitly for white people

2018-10-03 16:14:35 UTC

My problem with us becoming more, "American" is the question of: What will make us different from other American-advocating orgs? the term, 'American' to most normies, has negative connotation to it, people can easily say, "What about the blacks or the Chinese?" They could also use ol'reliable, "America is the melting pot!"

2018-10-03 16:14:47 UTC

@Deleted User I think potentially rebranding is better than forming a new organization and we should keep the dragons eye logo. But maybe change our name to something more American like Identity Columbia and change the color scheme to red, white and blue.

2018-10-03 16:15:22 UTC

If they look at us, and compare us to a civ-nat group... it would be easy for a normie to dismiss us as other, 'specifically American' groups who also wanted to keep, 'America American'

They would prefer the civ-nat group instead

2018-10-03 16:15:59 UTC

If we were to Americanize our aesthetics we would need a motta to go with the logo and name that conveys we are explicitly white

2018-10-03 16:16:10 UTC

And yeah what would differentiate us from TPUSA

2018-10-03 16:17:17 UTC

Also, I think brand and name recognition are very important. This would toss a lot of that away, it’s like changing your name and avatar online lmao

2018-10-03 16:17:42 UTC

I'm in agreement that a name change ends up making us look like milktoast civnats <:sad:366743316475281408>

2018-10-03 16:18:08 UTC

"America" =/= white to a vast majority of people now imho

2018-10-03 16:18:24 UTC

We're already doing so incredibly well with what we have, I think changing any of our progress would hurt more than it would do good for us. All the problems we're facing right now, is due to bad mistakes from recent leadership, but our name has not been necessarily tainted, at all either.

If we *DID* change our name, what's stopping the SPLC and ADL listing us as another "Evil white supremacist Nazi" group? It makes the loss of social capital useless, we would lose FAR more than we would potentially gain

2018-10-03 16:18:47 UTC

@NateDahl76 "European roots, American greatness."

2018-10-03 16:18:57 UTC

@The Eternal Anglo or just labeling us "formerly Identity Evropa"

2018-10-03 16:19:05 UTC

...though we'd probably lose that with the rebrand.

2018-10-03 16:19:53 UTC

To be fair, we do a pretty good job at not being labeled "Former National Youth Front"

2018-10-03 16:21:14 UTC

Yeah I don’t think Nathan’s stuff dogs us that much at all

2018-10-03 16:21:30 UTC

no matter our name, rebranding will just be a new name for the (((media))) to smear as evil whitey

2018-10-03 16:21:30 UTC

I think it would only be a matter of time before the SPLC/ADL crowd recognized familiar faces. What they think doesn't matter. What matters is what the average White person thinks of both us and them.

2018-10-03 16:22:29 UTC

and no, we don't care what the ADL says about us, but normies do, so a rebrand doesn't fix a thing imo

2018-10-03 16:22:43 UTC

and just makes us look like optics cucks

2018-10-03 16:23:02 UTC

Identity CivNat is all it would look like to most. <:really:453005408064241674>

2018-10-03 16:23:32 UTC

The only way a name change makes any sense is if it’s altering the message it sends. But again i think the risk/reward isnt worth it and it would be better to change the logo

2018-10-03 16:23:33 UTC

I think your average White person is looks upon with the SPLC and ADL with more and more suspicion by the day. They key is continuing to agitate and drive them crazy, while leaving nothing with which to fault us.

2018-10-03 16:23:41 UTC

Exactly, our target audience is to gain the trust, and respect of the average White American, not the attention of the Mass media, SPLC, and ADL.

Secondly, which this is very important... people today, now more than ever, have a *huge* distrust of the MSM, and other big orgs associated with the MSM. We're set up perfectly

2018-10-03 16:23:43 UTC

If we’re going to change anything at all

2018-10-03 16:23:48 UTC

I think rebranding would give us a certain distance from Charlottesville and give us more legitimacy to appeal to the average Conservative and Centrist. But we shouldn't do it to get the media or the SPLC off our backs, we should do it so we can reach our target demographic.

2018-10-03 16:23:51 UTC

Plus we’re doing pretty great right now. No need for the debate atm, and I think Patrick has been pretty clear about his stance for the time being

2018-10-03 16:24:07 UTC

We *ARE* optics cucks. The Optics War proved how vital optics are, lol.

2018-10-03 16:24:34 UTC

@Sherlock and what is your logo suggestion? what conveys what you see as proper and bold?

2018-10-03 16:24:59 UTC

optics cucking to the point of looking like boring civnats is a bridge too far though

2018-10-03 16:25:00 UTC

Too much rebranding ruins the brand and the reputation that we have built with people who aren’t paying super close attention

2018-10-03 16:25:15 UTC

That being said, wouldn’t mind if we change the v to a u lmao

2018-10-03 16:25:19 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD It would be an aesthetic change, not an idealogical change. It's not like we'd start accepting based Nigerians if we rebranded. So how is it optics cucking?

2018-10-03 16:26:35 UTC

I just don't want IE to end up being watered down with a bunch of civnat normies that eventually *do* want to bring in That Guy T or Brian Logan or some other "Based blegs"

2018-10-03 16:26:51 UTC

There would be virtually no aesthetic difference between us, and the other (majority) civnat groups in the United States. What makes us so effective is that *we are* unique in the way we present ourselves, our organisation, and our message.

2018-10-03 16:27:03 UTC

@Asatru Artist - MD Same here. We'd be retaining the same leadership and standards, though.

2018-10-03 16:27:05 UTC

see, changing the v to a u i could get behind

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