Message from @Virgil

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2018-10-03 15:58:01 UTC  

No change either, we already reached peak optics with it, hard to improve off of Perfect

2018-10-03 15:58:02 UTC  

Change posters from Greco Roman to Norman Rockwell?

2018-10-03 15:58:12 UTC  

People who obsess over little details and symbolism are cancer

2018-10-03 15:58:15 UTC  

hmm, i see nothing about juice or masons with the dragons eye info

2018-10-03 15:58:27 UTC  

You can't fix perfect <:usinnoodle:420778112226164736>

2018-10-03 15:59:04 UTC  

Yeah he basically backed down from his position after I pointed out that he sounded like a nut with an irrational fear of triangles and that Koch was a awarded Lutheran Evangelist
@Asatru Artist - MD

2018-10-03 15:59:10 UTC  

Hudson School art (Beirdstat, Cole, Moran) is american in a euro tradition

2018-10-03 15:59:32 UTC  

I endorse Norman Rockwell imagery

2018-10-03 16:00:06 UTC  

Triangles are in nature. Hard to avoid them.

2018-10-03 16:00:21 UTC  

A fundemental of mathematics law

2018-10-03 16:03:33 UTC  

The dragons eye is so boring and plain that the overwhelming majority of people will probably not even notice it

2018-10-03 16:03:45 UTC  

I really do think our logo is perfect

2018-10-03 16:03:47 UTC  

It’s definitely the weakest part of our aesthetic

2018-10-03 16:03:56 UTC  

I don't think think we should change the dragons eye logo. But it depends on what type of people we want to attract. Evropa is esoteric but we would attract a much smaller following but more intellectual types people. On the other hand if we changed our name to Identify Columbia or Americana it would be easier to market ourselves and we'd attract more normie tier people.

2018-10-03 16:04:07 UTC  

You’re nuts then. It’s the most boring logo imaginable

2018-10-03 16:04:14 UTC  

@Sherlock That's a good thing to be honest, our messages become more passive than anything

2018-10-03 16:04:43 UTC  

I'd say the <#359019439116648458> section proves people notice the logo just fine...

2018-10-03 16:04:44 UTC  

The dangerous thing with attracting normie-tier people, is that we would be heavily watered down

2018-10-03 16:04:46 UTC  

But like i said i think we’re probably better off just keeping what we have

2018-10-03 16:05:01 UTC  

The dragons eye is an essential part of our brand

2018-10-03 16:05:35 UTC  

@Sherlock It's simple and recognisable, what a symbol should be.

2018-10-03 16:05:46 UTC  

Easy to draw as well

2018-10-03 16:06:05 UTC  

It isnt more essential than the name. It makes much more sense to change the logo to reflect new focus than to change the namr

2018-10-03 16:06:22 UTC  

Really easy to produce on flyers, edit on software, etc

2018-10-03 16:06:58 UTC  

It’s boring and nobody will ever remember it much less know that it’s a meaningful symbol

2018-10-03 16:07:10 UTC  

For all you christians the Chi Rho is a pretty cool symbol too just FYI

2018-10-03 16:07:21 UTC  

The whole point of a symbol is to be somewhat eyecatching and memorable

2018-10-03 16:07:49 UTC  

One IE member I know has a tattoo of it over his heart it's pretty badass

2018-10-03 16:08:17 UTC  

@Procella Eques Always found that symbol nice, something about it is a novelty

2018-10-03 16:08:49 UTC  

@The Eternal Anglo it has a lot of overlapping symbolism with egyptian pharoahs too, which I think is intentional

2018-10-03 16:09:18 UTC  

@Sherlock Why do you think it's boring? Could you provide an example that would be less boring and more aesthetic ?

2018-10-03 16:09:31 UTC  

I like the logo haha

2018-10-03 16:09:46 UTC  

I think its pretty sweet

2018-10-03 16:10:01 UTC  

It’s boring because it’s a triangle

2018-10-03 16:10:30 UTC  

As far as a better one, idk. We’d have to think of something

2018-10-03 16:10:33 UTC  

I disagree with alot of the sentiments expressed in the past hour.

Identity Evropa, is pretty difficult to express exactly who we are and what we are about. Even an elevator pitch (~30) to someone about Identity Evropa leaves them with more questions than answers. "Europa... but this is America" "Why not american identity?" "What's with the triangle" "What's with the 'V'" People just don't *get it*. We should seek to be a mainstream movement. Having a familiar and normal name, color scheme and symbolism go a long way to normalizing our views. We have to move past the "Evropean Neitzchian/Faustian esoteric racialist club" mindset.

Additionally, there are things we want to move away from. A new org would provide some distance from our founder (he's a great man who put his mark on the universe, and I think we all understand the nuance of his situation, but let's call it what it is) "A felon convicted of a hate crime who became aware of white Identity via a book by former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke"

That's not to mention comments by a one Eli Mosley, espousing literal exterminationist rhetoric and lying about his military record.

That's not to mention Charlottesville.

In summary, I think Identity Evropa sounds weird and decidedly foreign to an American ear. Additionally some of these really cursed associations will always plague Identity Evropa - perhaps less so with a new org.

2018-10-03 16:12:13 UTC  

So you're saying we need to be something more like "The Minutemen"

2018-10-03 16:12:25 UTC  

I should have prefaced - this is MY personal opinion, not the opinion of leadership as a whole. We have not come to a consensus on the matter. Rigorous debate on serious issues is pretty healthy IMO, so keep it coming.

2018-10-03 16:12:29 UTC  

or something more foundationally American?

2018-10-03 16:12:40 UTC  

Just more american in general

2018-10-03 16:12:55 UTC  

"The Tea Party" was a pretty good one as an example