this has happened to people in the past

do I really have free will if I can turn liberal by being stabbed the right way?

That’s like saying free will can’t exist because we can’t fly

Physical reality inhibits my free will. No.

No, because you can try to fly all you want. If I have the right genes or a rod in the right part of my head, I will cease to even want to not be liberal.

This is a lifeboat scenario that isn’t relevant. You don’t make philosophical conclusions by exceptions. You wouldn’t say, for example, humans have 6 toes because some humans have 6 toes.

An abnormally functioning brain is not an argument against normally functioning ones

Let's say I'm super based and redpilled identitarian right until the second I get stabbed. Now I'm suddenly liberal vegan satanist. Doesn't that imply at least some parts of the brain are involved in determinism?

It's not just malfunctioning though

Genes influence behavior in normal people, too

These are preconditions upon which will is built. You’re, perhaps accidentally, separating mind and body

I read an article that said a certain type of magnet could be used to make someone less religious/more accepting of refugees

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/brain-magnets-decrease-faith-in-god-religion-immigrants-a6695291.html

@Alexander Pechorin If there's preconditions, is the will entirely free?

I think I’ll keep my threat-processing ability, thanks

broke: they’re taking away your guns
woke: they’re taking away your brain

@Isabella Locke-MT That's a good example of what I'm talking about. If the parts of the brain can be modified to do something else, then clearly they were already determined to do something.

Of course, objective constraints of reality are never a denial of your freedom

No. Impulses and tendencies are not the same thing as will

What, then, is determinism? If the objective constraints are within your brain itself, is that not at least some form of determinism?

No. Determinism and free will have very little to do with emotions or tendencies.

Let’s define free will: “the ability to act at one's own discretion.”

That you might have an existing tendency towards one particular view or feeling does not deny your ability to act against it

Only an abnormally functioning, damaged brain would do that

Isn't that tendency, at least to since extent, determined, though? There's a distinction between choosing to react a certain way to stimuli that may or may not be present, and "stimuli" being present in the brain itself, which determine how one reacts to outside stimuli.

Your tendency to be hungry when you don’t eat is determined too. That is not, philosophically speaking, related to free will at all

Only the choice to eat or not eat

A better comparison would be the tendency to actually act on hunger, which would be a form or determinism. How can we say that our will is entirely free if the mechanism used to determine that will is itself held captive by certain tendencies?

https://mobile.twitter.com/spacedemocrat/status/1066542605020745728

You aren’t “held captive” you do indeed still have a choice regardless of the urge. And as you’ve claimed, “we can modify our tendancies”

The very fact that a tendency might exist and we have potential and capacity to recognize it and to modify it or alleviate it is enough, though even if we couldn’t modify it, so long as we could act against it, free will exists.

By what mechanism are those tendencies modified, though? At what point is the predictive power of the presence of particular allele high enough that we can say its presence is deterministic? Does it have to be 100%? What if it's 95%? Can we really say that our will is entirely free if there is only a 5% chance of breaking with the effect of a certain allele? If the Monoamine Oxidase 2 Repeat allele causes a significantly increased likelihood of aggressive behavior, how high does that likelihood have to be for us to say that the allele at least partially determined behavior?

Keep in mind that the issue isn't so much that the allele acts as a form of stimulus, the issue is that this particular stimulus is present within the decision making capacity of the brain itself.

@Isabella Locke-MT. So basically magnetizing threat processing (a healthy, natural occurrence) out is acceptable in their minds, but shocking the gay (unnatural and unhealthy) out of someone wouldn't be... <:really:453005408064241674>

Yep. As long as it suits their needs, they don't care if they damage brains.

Substance abuse death at Google HQ in NYC? Say it ain't so....they're such high quality people.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/google-software-engineer-22-found-dead-at-new-york-headqaurters-report

So apparently it's really difficult to fire someone from a government job. Does this mean we could all get government jobs and be dox proof?

Or is it a lot more complicated than that?

You’d have trouble advancing in the best case

Yeah they can’t really fire you for opinions but a dox would make life harder ofc

Government jobs have lots of diversity hires who would make up reasons to fire you, but legally you're more protected there

Don't know if this is real but if it is....based Santa

Whitepill of the day

Snopes says it's fake, so I believe it.

Dang

Yeah, no one starts a jumping with a headbutt. C'mon guys

I don't know anything about fighting so

@Flint Excuse me, but Liam Neeson likes to start with a headbutt.

A fight, yeah, but not a jumping

So, France today:
Man lost a hand
Young lady lost an eye

French police forces are disgusting

I was just looking at that

a hand and an eye??

yeah

a young looking guy got his hand like..blasted off

it did not look good

https://twitter.com/FraProtestNews/status/1071500561181278208

here's the video of the girl

So I watched the movie cam on Netflix for a YouTube commentary on it. It’s going to be very hard to pick on this movie with a moral basis rather than critiquing the actual quality of the movie because holy hell that was awful

@Flint I can't believe Dr. Phil would betray us like that.

I couldn't put my finger on who he reminded me of

Just showed my dad some antifa rioting footage because he said they've never plowed their car through a crowd and he hit me with 'everyone war the US has been involved in a republican has been in office'

LBJ and Vietnam? FDR and WW2. Wilson and WWI? Clinton bombing Serbia? Obama bombing half the Middle East?
Not that republicans are better, but what is he on?

I have no idea

There just seems to be no getting to him, everytime I bring up how the dems want to ruin the country he just says 'but republicans'

"Muh Democracy"

anyone wanna play civ 5 w/ expansions with IE guys hmu

I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be on my knees with my hands on my head. Have these people never heard of passive resistance?

Or just simply saying no and take the beating

Dignity is an important thing to maintain

https://youtu.be/--2Mwp7X-X0

@NateDahl76 isn't that downgraded EUIV?

oof

I've never played EUIV

Does anyone have some good clips/a compilation video of established politicians belittling white people?

@NateDahl76 dude it's so much better

They’re totally different games

@NateDahl76 >2018

>playing siv 5

*civ

i'm shit at civ, but even i play civ 6

thanksgiving steam sales were awesome

The only two things cool about civ 6 are districts and Sean bean voice narration

I prefer civ 5

Comey transcripts released:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-transcript-james-comeys-dec-7-interview-house-committees

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/8328ce716c13acd5f966b2c1bfbbf5d26965ff4cf983f6721522a3d834e86673.jpg

<:boomer:394308007217070080>

The Alch right rises my friends

Also just got my dad's old wedding ring today so achievement unlocked: Family heirloom

Wholesome

Also looks like the daughter's name. Is going to be Eden Erika

Aaaaaand I am accepting matchmaking proposals haha

might have to wait a while to collect on those proposals

Oh I know. Just saying us identitarian families should stick together.

@Salo Saloson

I am pregnant with a boy lol

Henry

@bspon002

My husband is 6'7 so you can bet my boy's probably going to be very tall

@everyone..was there a pledge meeting today?

@hbutzer0511 tues 11th

@Valaska Copy. Thanks. That's what I thought.

@Isabella Locke-MT glorious. My wife's 5ft8 so she's tall. For a woman

Or at least she's taller than my mom and brothers wife and my others gf

Haven't had 6ft7 in the family for awhile. We're all between 6ft2 and 6ft 4

Next giant race going to be started in a little over 20 years

Sounds good to me 👍

5'8 is tall for women?

@Jacob eh most the women in my family are shorter. Top out at 5ft 6

@Jacob Slightly above average.

@Isabella Locke-MT Got a son too. Lazarus Wilhelm

I'm 5'11 and I personally find women attractive if they are slightly shorter than me, but no more than slightly. It's hard to visualize what specific heights look like, though.

I'm 5'3

but my son should still be above 6'

@Isabella Locke-MT

My wife

@bspon002 Just a snap administrative decision to not have people's pictures in here.

Oh I understand

She personally does not mind

But completely get it

I realize you may not agree with me deleting that and I understand if not, but there longer it's there the longer bad things have to happen. On the spot judgment call.

If you're really sure about it you can repost and I'll leave it up.

Oh it's no problem

No worries at all. I'll just pm

Okay

Check out @RealMichaelTodd’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/RealMichaelTodd/status/1070836023725309952?s=09

I'd be a bit nervous if they asked the baby for its opinion

What am I looking for, other than "Mixed"?

Best line: Trans kids are like vegan cats, they don't exist, we all know who's calling the shots

His child is mixed?

looks half asian

I'm never sure how to respond when people tell me they're just gonna leave America and go to some other country to escape our problems

I want to say they're cowards, but that'd imply they had tried to stand for something _before_ running away

How would you feel about people like me leaving, whose families came here very recently?

I mean, my family has only been here since the 1870s

>only

My family has been here since 1996

@Jacob 😂

and I wouldn't leave, simply because I raise this question: you're running away now. what's to say you just won't keep running?

but I can't control other people, obviously

Well, I don't see it as running away. I've always been a bit ashamed that my parents ran away from their country and wanted to reverse that.

good thing plane tickets can be had for under a grand, then

But I mean I generally agree with you that immigrants are cowards

To answer your question, I don't know what to tell those people

wouldn't it be emigrants?

for Americans _leaving_ America

Well, I mean, you can't really be an emigrant without being an immigrant somewhere

So both are accurate

@Salo Saloson I think the kinds of people your talking about generally have a deeply flawed personality already. I'm not sure if much can be done to change them besides social shaming and changing the culture as a whole.

that and whenever they say a place like Norway or Denmark, I just get that 1000 yard stare

and think to myself, "maybe we're better off without them"

Yooo our Weegie boi just won in UFC

who?

Elbow to the nose and follow us with RNC

Whew

Gunnar something

Man he had that dude in mount. A couple elbows later he was leaking.

Opponent turns his back and gets choked hard.

@Salo Saloson Maybe. I don't know. A lot of countries have a pretty bad brain drain problem. I don't think that's a risk in the US though.

Gunnar Nelson

I specifically can't really leave the US for anywhere except... Canada, South America, Africa, or Australia

and I'm not ditching everything just to save my own hide

It's a really selfish thing to do and most people seem to regret it eventually anyway

My dad actually tried getting into both Canada and Australia and got rejected

Yes, and I've no intention of being colonized by the Chinese

I couldn't leave if I wanted to, but my home, England, is dead to me, America is going to be the last stand if all else fails.

It's now or never, I don't see a reason for anyone to flee to Europe, America is an off branch of Europe itself and should be treated as so

Lots of tempered media personalities are beginning to unabashedly promote white racial consciousness

It's coming back

me and @husarka watching videos of early 1900s New York and Paris

We can survive here in the states but the larp conversation will arise at some point, cede land or forced remigration yada yada...

I've been to Europe a couple times now and I will say this: I couldn't go back to Europe

I refuse to go to Europe too

@Alex Kolchak - NY I get that feeling looking at old pictures of Eastern Europe

Night frens

gnight

@Alex Kolchak - NY wait did you recruit someone you know irl, or are you just meeting with a pledge?

she’s my better half

oh that's pretty based and redpilled

@Jacob vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aohXOpKtns0

It would be nearly impossible to get citizenship in the good countries of Europe anyway, seeing as what makes them good are strict immigration laws. I have a strong attachment to America (or at least the Mid-Atlantic) though. I doubt I'd ever leave here, and if I did it would probably be for Montana or something

I'm already a dual citizen

also that's pretty based that you could never leave

For context, some of my ancestors came here after Cromwell died. They were in Maryland for over a century before the US even existed.

See I kinda feel like my family is stealing America from people who like that who are actually rooted here

It's hard to be a blood and soil nationalist and also leave the land where your family lived and died for 360 years. I feel bad for the Afrikaners because their situation is so dire but SA really is their homeland now

@Jacob not at all. You being in IE alone is more than a lot of “rooted” Americans who are sitting on their butts

(of course, they’ve been taught that everything is fine, not their fault per se)

but don’t feel bad. The way I see it, the late 19th/early 20th century European immigrants came here while America was still being built and helped build it, so people from their countries are welcome too

almost all Europeans can say “someone from my country helped build America in some way”

ehh I disagree but I feel like I've posted about this so many times on this server that I should probably avoid the topic for a while

ok, I won’t pursue it

but just for perspective, my dad’s ancestors came here in the 1600s and my mom came here in the 1990s, so I really have both extremes in me lol

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/12/08/europe/salvini-italy-rome-rally-intl/index.html

And believe at these rallies he isn’t boasting about record low African - Italian unemployment rates

@Jacob It's perfectly normal for immigrants and their kids to feel out of place and many did go home. At the same time, those who stayed built a connection to this land and their grandchildren became as much a part of the American people as anyone else (talking European immigrants obviously).
I think that, if you stay here and stay involved in IE, your grandchildren will see you as being someone who built (or maybe salvaged) America

good point. If we do this right, we’ll be the ones making history.

No matter what I'll do or where I'll go in life I plan to always support IE in some form

I've been here for almost 2 years so I've outlasted most people

@Jacob 2 year club supremacy!

same. I anticipate that my views will be found out at some point, and at that point I’m diving headfirst into supporting IE/the movement in general

@Nemets I imagine there are a fair number of people who get accepted, pay dues for a few months, don’t do anything, and get bored and leave

@Nemets It's crazy high but that shouldn't stop you from helping change that

@Goldstein Riots oh ya I remember you being here pretty far back

I'm hoping to be a bean counter for the org at least in the side when I graduate

Maybe now that's the case

We had really bad attrition after Charlottesville, Nathan's resignation, and the old server getting shut down

@Jacob I still miss #fashy_fashion.

I miss HBD autism

#survivalism

lmao I remember there was a guy who posted his 23&Me in purity results and he was like 40% non-European

Some people have left over disagreements as well and I think that’s why it’s important that we always strive to be respectful and cordial and nice to each other even when we disagree on certain topics. We can’t agree about everything 100% all the time, but when we do not agree we should still be respectful And not attack each other.

That's reasonable

I wonder what ever happened to that guy

@Jacob he became Elliot Rogers.

dlet

I miss Shawn.

wait who was Shawn?

Noob

Prince Hubris.

no we had a channel called HBD autism @Nemets

you would have loved it

@Nemets you don’t buy the HBD stuff?

@Jacob Remember when we split general into male and female.

lmao

I totally forgot we did that

didn't it last like a week and we were like "okay this is stupid"?

Pretty much.

God, that was way back

I wonder what other crazy stuff I'm forgetting

I remember the nose ring, the infamous DC action that there's no evidence of, some of the old reacts

alt right trivia

@Jacob I remeber the trump 100 days rally action that never saw the light of day.

IE nose ring was the best prank

I honestly thought it was serious

IE romper.

I just thought "huh, that's kinda weird" and kept scrolling

and then people were joking about IE teal hair dye lmao

The IE fidget spinner, only one ever made.

Check out @GenophiliaLoves’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/GenophiliaLoves/status/1071574841407533057?s=09

Slavwave

commies are erasing our history, i support erasing theirs

Onboard

oh I remember the IE fidget spinner discussion

@Nemets ah ok. It does seem pretty clear that race is genetic and does matter, but some people seem to think there’s a genetic component to *everything*

regardless, even if it was a social construct, it seems like an extremely persistent social construct that we can’t avoid

I always thought we should actually produce those

@Jacob There was one custom one made for Nathan.

I mean we should have actually mass produced those kind of like the playing cards

@Alex Kolchak - NY wait, *isn't* there a genetic component to everything?

Race is biologically real, but precise barriers between races are partially cultural (eg Turks, Jews, and Lebanese not being white)

There's a genetic component to almost everything, but it's not the only component