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2018-12-08 21:25:38 UTC

this has happened to people in the past

2018-12-08 21:25:55 UTC

do I really have free will if I can turn liberal by being stabbed the right way?

2018-12-08 21:26:03 UTC

That’s like saying free will can’t exist because we can’t fly

2018-12-08 21:26:16 UTC

Physical reality inhibits my free will. No.

2018-12-08 21:26:57 UTC

No, because you can try to fly all you want. If I have the right genes or a rod in the right part of my head, I will cease to even want to not be liberal.

2018-12-08 21:27:56 UTC

This is a lifeboat scenario that isn’t relevant. You don’t make philosophical conclusions by exceptions. You wouldn’t say, for example, humans have 6 toes because some humans have 6 toes.

2018-12-08 21:28:23 UTC

An abnormally functioning brain is not an argument against normally functioning ones

2018-12-08 21:28:49 UTC

Let's say I'm super based and redpilled identitarian right until the second I get stabbed. Now I'm suddenly liberal vegan satanist. Doesn't that imply at least some parts of the brain are involved in determinism?

2018-12-08 21:28:55 UTC

It's not just malfunctioning though

2018-12-08 21:29:06 UTC

Genes influence behavior in normal people, too

2018-12-08 21:29:31 UTC


2018-12-08 21:30:06 UTC

These are preconditions upon which will is built. You’re, perhaps accidentally, separating mind and body

2018-12-08 21:31:29 UTC

I read an article that said a certain type of magnet could be used to make someone less religious/more accepting of refugees

2018-12-08 21:36:14 UTC

@Alexander Pechorin If there's preconditions, is the will entirely free?

2018-12-08 21:36:40 UTC

I think I’ll keep my threat-processing ability, thanks

broke: they’re taking away your guns
woke: they’re taking away your brain

2018-12-08 21:37:27 UTC

@Isabella Locke-MT That's a good example of what I'm talking about. If the parts of the brain can be modified to do something else, then clearly they were already determined to do something.

2018-12-08 21:37:28 UTC

Of course, objective constraints of reality are never a denial of your freedom

2018-12-08 21:38:20 UTC

No. Impulses and tendencies are not the same thing as will

2018-12-08 21:38:47 UTC

What, then, is determinism? If the objective constraints are within your brain itself, is that not at least some form of determinism?

2018-12-08 21:39:35 UTC

No. Determinism and free will have very little to do with emotions or tendencies.

Let’s define free will: “the ability to act at one's own discretion.”

2018-12-08 21:39:59 UTC

That you might have an existing tendency towards one particular view or feeling does not deny your ability to act against it

2018-12-08 21:40:12 UTC

Only an abnormally functioning, damaged brain would do that

2018-12-08 21:43:23 UTC

Isn't that tendency, at least to since extent, determined, though? There's a distinction between choosing to react a certain way to stimuli that may or may not be present, and "stimuli" being present in the brain itself, which determine how one reacts to outside stimuli.

2018-12-08 21:44:43 UTC

Your tendency to be hungry when you don’t eat is determined too. That is not, philosophically speaking, related to free will at all

2018-12-08 21:44:49 UTC

Only the choice to eat or not eat

2018-12-08 21:48:30 UTC

A better comparison would be the tendency to actually act on hunger, which would be a form or determinism. How can we say that our will is entirely free if the mechanism used to determine that will is itself held captive by certain tendencies?

2018-12-08 21:50:30 UTC

You aren’t “held captive” you do indeed still have a choice regardless of the urge. And as you’ve claimed, “we can modify our tendancies”

2018-12-08 21:52:42 UTC

The very fact that a tendency might exist and we have potential and capacity to recognize it and to modify it or alleviate it is enough, though even if we couldn’t modify it, so long as we could act against it, free will exists.

2018-12-08 21:58:45 UTC

By what mechanism are those tendencies modified, though? At what point is the predictive power of the presence of particular allele high enough that we can say its presence is deterministic? Does it have to be 100%? What if it's 95%? Can we really say that our will is entirely free if there is only a 5% chance of breaking with the effect of a certain allele? If the Monoamine Oxidase 2 Repeat allele causes a significantly increased likelihood of aggressive behavior, how high does that likelihood have to be for us to say that the allele at least partially determined behavior?

2018-12-08 22:00:44 UTC

Keep in mind that the issue isn't so much that the allele acts as a form of stimulus, the issue is that this particular stimulus is present within the decision making capacity of the brain itself.

2018-12-08 22:11:24 UTC

@Isabella Locke-MT. So basically magnetizing threat processing (a healthy, natural occurrence) out is acceptable in their minds, but shocking the gay (unnatural and unhealthy) out of someone wouldn't be... <:really:453005408064241674>

2018-12-08 22:14:00 UTC

Yep. As long as it suits their needs, they don't care if they damage brains.

2018-12-08 22:15:19 UTC

Substance abuse death at Google HQ in NYC? Say it ain't so....they're such high quality people.


2018-12-08 22:30:56 UTC

So apparently it's really difficult to fire someone from a government job. Does this mean we could all get government jobs and be dox proof?

2018-12-08 22:31:14 UTC

Or is it a lot more complicated than that?

2018-12-08 22:31:49 UTC

You’d have trouble advancing in the best case

2018-12-08 22:34:28 UTC

Yeah they can’t really fire you for opinions but a dox would make life harder ofc

2018-12-08 22:37:15 UTC

Government jobs have lots of diversity hires who would make up reasons to fire you, but legally you're more protected there

2018-12-08 22:54:24 UTC

Don't know if this is real but if it is....based Santa


2018-12-08 23:16:14 UTC

Whitepill of the day

2018-12-08 23:17:52 UTC

Snopes says it's fake, so I believe it.

2018-12-08 23:19:31 UTC


2018-12-08 23:29:49 UTC

Yeah, no one starts a jumping with a headbutt. C'mon guys

2018-12-08 23:30:19 UTC

I don't know anything about fighting so

2018-12-08 23:34:31 UTC

@Flint Excuse me, but Liam Neeson likes to start with a headbutt.

2018-12-08 23:38:10 UTC

A fight, yeah, but not a jumping

2018-12-08 23:44:29 UTC

So, France today:
Man lost a hand
Young lady lost an eye

2018-12-08 23:44:41 UTC

French police forces are disgusting

2018-12-08 23:44:55 UTC

I was just looking at that

2018-12-08 23:47:45 UTC

a hand and an eye??

2018-12-08 23:52:12 UTC


2018-12-08 23:52:23 UTC

a young looking guy got his hand like..blasted off

2018-12-08 23:52:30 UTC

it did not look good

2018-12-08 23:53:23 UTC

here's the video of the girl

2018-12-09 00:05:05 UTC

So I watched the movie cam on Netflix for a YouTube commentary on it. It’s going to be very hard to pick on this movie with a moral basis rather than critiquing the actual quality of the movie because holy hell that was awful

2018-12-09 00:14:51 UTC


2018-12-09 00:16:43 UTC

@Flint I can't believe Dr. Phil would betray us like that.

2018-12-09 00:20:38 UTC

I couldn't put my finger on who he reminded me of

2018-12-09 00:24:00 UTC

Just showed my dad some antifa rioting footage because he said they've never plowed their car through a crowd and he hit me with 'everyone war the US has been involved in a republican has been in office'

2018-12-09 00:27:19 UTC

LBJ and Vietnam? FDR and WW2. Wilson and WWI? Clinton bombing Serbia? Obama bombing half the Middle East?
Not that republicans are better, but what is he on?

2018-12-09 00:27:37 UTC

I have no idea

2018-12-09 00:28:49 UTC

There just seems to be no getting to him, everytime I bring up how the dems want to ruin the country he just says 'but republicans'

2018-12-09 00:34:09 UTC

"Muh Democracy"

2018-12-09 00:49:03 UTC

anyone wanna play civ 5 w/ expansions with IE guys hmu

2018-12-09 00:51:56 UTC

I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be on my knees with my hands on my head. Have these people never heard of passive resistance?


2018-12-09 00:52:30 UTC

Or just simply saying no and take the beating

2018-12-09 00:54:20 UTC

Dignity is an important thing to maintain

2018-12-09 00:55:35 UTC

@NateDahl76 isn't that downgraded EUIV?

2018-12-09 00:55:44 UTC


2018-12-09 00:55:59 UTC

I've never played EUIV

2018-12-09 01:10:12 UTC

Does anyone have some good clips/a compilation video of established politicians belittling white people?

2018-12-09 01:15:55 UTC

@NateDahl76 dude it's so much better

2018-12-09 01:31:52 UTC

They’re totally different games

2018-12-09 01:32:04 UTC
2018-12-09 01:32:07 UTC

>playing siv 5

2018-12-09 01:32:09 UTC


2018-12-09 01:32:19 UTC

i'm shit at civ, but even i play civ 6

2018-12-09 01:32:30 UTC

thanksgiving steam sales were awesome

2018-12-09 01:33:45 UTC

The only two things cool about civ 6 are districts and Sean bean voice narration

2018-12-09 01:35:43 UTC

I prefer civ 5

2018-12-09 02:02:23 UTC


2018-12-09 02:19:43 UTC

The Alch right rises my friends


2018-12-09 02:22:45 UTC

Also just got my dad's old wedding ring today so achievement unlocked: Family heirloom

2018-12-09 02:28:06 UTC


2018-12-09 02:28:55 UTC

Also looks like the daughter's name. Is going to be Eden Erika

2018-12-09 02:29:22 UTC

Aaaaaand I am accepting matchmaking proposals haha

2018-12-09 02:31:16 UTC

might have to wait a while to collect on those proposals

2018-12-09 02:32:34 UTC

Oh I know. Just saying us identitarian families should stick together.

2018-12-09 02:32:51 UTC
2018-12-09 02:42:06 UTC

I am pregnant with a boy lol

2018-12-09 02:42:08 UTC


2018-12-09 02:42:20 UTC
2018-12-09 02:42:45 UTC

My husband is 6'7 so you can bet my boy's probably going to be very tall

2018-12-09 02:48:19 UTC

@everyone..was there a pledge meeting today?

2018-12-09 02:48:43 UTC

@hbutzer0511 tues 11th

2018-12-09 02:49:24 UTC

@Valaska Copy. Thanks. That's what I thought.

2018-12-09 02:49:55 UTC

@Isabella Locke-MT glorious. My wife's 5ft8 so she's tall. For a woman

2018-12-09 02:50:45 UTC

Or at least she's taller than my mom and brothers wife and my others gf

2018-12-09 02:51:34 UTC

Haven't had 6ft7 in the family for awhile. We're all between 6ft2 and 6ft 4

2018-12-09 02:51:59 UTC

Next giant race going to be started in a little over 20 years

2018-12-09 02:52:52 UTC

Sounds good to me 👍

2018-12-09 02:55:28 UTC

5'8 is tall for women?

2018-12-09 02:55:48 UTC

@Jacob eh most the women in my family are shorter. Top out at 5ft 6

2018-12-09 02:55:54 UTC

@Jacob Slightly above average.

2018-12-09 02:56:06 UTC

@Isabella Locke-MT Got a son too. Lazarus Wilhelm

2018-12-09 02:57:07 UTC

I'm 5'11 and I personally find women attractive if they are slightly shorter than me, but no more than slightly. It's hard to visualize what specific heights look like, though.

2018-12-09 02:58:21 UTC

I'm 5'3

2018-12-09 02:58:29 UTC

but my son should still be above 6'

2018-12-09 03:05:57 UTC
2018-12-09 03:06:07 UTC

My wife

2018-12-09 03:07:08 UTC

@bspon002 Just a snap administrative decision to not have people's pictures in here.

2018-12-09 03:07:18 UTC

Oh I understand

2018-12-09 03:07:28 UTC

She personally does not mind

2018-12-09 03:07:38 UTC

But completely get it

2018-12-09 03:07:55 UTC

I realize you may not agree with me deleting that and I understand if not, but there longer it's there the longer bad things have to happen. On the spot judgment call.

2018-12-09 03:08:11 UTC

If you're really sure about it you can repost and I'll leave it up.

2018-12-09 03:08:12 UTC

Oh it's no problem

2018-12-09 03:08:45 UTC

No worries at all. I'll just pm

2018-12-09 03:08:49 UTC


2018-12-09 03:13:36 UTC
2018-12-09 03:23:27 UTC

I'd be a bit nervous if they asked the baby for its opinion

2018-12-09 03:23:32 UTC

What am I looking for, other than "Mixed"?

2018-12-09 03:38:57 UTC

Best line: Trans kids are like vegan cats, they don't exist, we all know who's calling the shots

2018-12-09 03:54:29 UTC

His child is mixed?

2018-12-09 03:59:24 UTC

looks half asian

2018-12-09 04:16:27 UTC

I'm never sure how to respond when people tell me they're just gonna leave America and go to some other country to escape our problems

2018-12-09 04:16:42 UTC

I want to say they're cowards, but that'd imply they had tried to stand for something _before_ running away

2018-12-09 04:19:56 UTC

How would you feel about people like me leaving, whose families came here very recently?

2018-12-09 04:20:20 UTC

I mean, my family has only been here since the 1870s

2018-12-09 04:20:25 UTC


2018-12-09 04:20:30 UTC

My family has been here since 1996

2018-12-09 04:20:43 UTC

@Jacob 😂

2018-12-09 04:21:45 UTC

and I wouldn't leave, simply because I raise this question: you're running away now. what's to say you just won't keep running?

2018-12-09 04:22:13 UTC

but I can't control other people, obviously

2018-12-09 04:22:29 UTC

Well, I don't see it as running away. I've always been a bit ashamed that my parents ran away from their country and wanted to reverse that.

2018-12-09 04:23:12 UTC

good thing plane tickets can be had for under a grand, then

2018-12-09 04:23:44 UTC

But I mean I generally agree with you that immigrants are cowards

2018-12-09 04:24:12 UTC

To answer your question, I don't know what to tell those people

2018-12-09 04:24:16 UTC

wouldn't it be emigrants?

2018-12-09 04:24:25 UTC

for Americans _leaving_ America

2018-12-09 04:24:34 UTC

Well, I mean, you can't really be an emigrant without being an immigrant somewhere

2018-12-09 04:24:51 UTC

So both are accurate

2018-12-09 04:27:34 UTC

@Salo Saloson I think the kinds of people your talking about generally have a deeply flawed personality already. I'm not sure if much can be done to change them besides social shaming and changing the culture as a whole.

2018-12-09 04:28:22 UTC

that and whenever they say a place like Norway or Denmark, I just get that 1000 yard stare

2018-12-09 04:28:32 UTC

and think to myself, "maybe we're better off without them"

2018-12-09 04:28:42 UTC

Yooo our Weegie boi just won in UFC

2018-12-09 04:29:03 UTC


2018-12-09 04:29:25 UTC

Elbow to the nose and follow us with RNC

2018-12-09 04:29:27 UTC


2018-12-09 04:30:01 UTC

Gunnar something

2018-12-09 04:30:23 UTC

Man he had that dude in mount. A couple elbows later he was leaking.

2018-12-09 04:30:42 UTC

Opponent turns his back and gets choked hard.

2018-12-09 04:31:20 UTC

@Salo Saloson Maybe. I don't know. A lot of countries have a pretty bad brain drain problem. I don't think that's a risk in the US though.

2018-12-09 04:31:59 UTC

Gunnar Nelson

2018-12-09 04:32:12 UTC

I specifically can't really leave the US for anywhere except... Canada, South America, Africa, or Australia

2018-12-09 04:32:23 UTC

and I'm not ditching everything just to save my own hide

2018-12-09 04:32:59 UTC

It's a really selfish thing to do and most people seem to regret it eventually anyway

2018-12-09 04:33:33 UTC

My dad actually tried getting into both Canada and Australia and got rejected

2018-12-09 04:34:29 UTC

Yes, and I've no intention of being colonized by the Chinese

2018-12-09 04:39:35 UTC

I couldn't leave if I wanted to, but my home, England, is dead to me, America is going to be the last stand if all else fails.

2018-12-09 04:40:51 UTC

It's now or never, I don't see a reason for anyone to flee to Europe, America is an off branch of Europe itself and should be treated as so

2018-12-09 04:42:29 UTC

Lots of tempered media personalities are beginning to unabashedly promote white racial consciousness

2018-12-09 04:42:31 UTC

It's coming back

2018-12-09 04:42:34 UTC

me and @husarka watching videos of early 1900s New York and Paris


2018-12-09 04:43:28 UTC

We can survive here in the states but the larp conversation will arise at some point, cede land or forced remigration yada yada...

2018-12-09 04:43:44 UTC

I've been to Europe a couple times now and I will say this: I couldn't go back to Europe

2018-12-09 04:43:58 UTC

I refuse to go to Europe too

2018-12-09 04:44:55 UTC

@Alex Kolchak - NY I get that feeling looking at old pictures of Eastern Europe

2018-12-09 04:45:08 UTC

Night frens

2018-12-09 04:45:12 UTC


2018-12-09 04:45:50 UTC

@Alex Kolchak - NY wait did you recruit someone you know irl, or are you just meeting with a pledge?

2018-12-09 04:46:15 UTC

she’s my better half

2018-12-09 04:47:06 UTC

oh that's pretty based and redpilled

2018-12-09 04:47:16 UTC

It would be nearly impossible to get citizenship in the good countries of Europe anyway, seeing as what makes them good are strict immigration laws. I have a strong attachment to America (or at least the Mid-Atlantic) though. I doubt I'd ever leave here, and if I did it would probably be for Montana or something

2018-12-09 04:47:44 UTC

I'm already a dual citizen

2018-12-09 04:48:01 UTC

also that's pretty based that you could never leave

2018-12-09 04:50:23 UTC

For context, some of my ancestors came here after Cromwell died. They were in Maryland for over a century before the US even existed.

2018-12-09 04:51:34 UTC

See I kinda feel like my family is stealing America from people who like that who are actually rooted here

2018-12-09 04:52:02 UTC

It's hard to be a blood and soil nationalist and also leave the land where your family lived and died for 360 years. I feel bad for the Afrikaners because their situation is so dire but SA really is their homeland now

2018-12-09 04:54:41 UTC

@Jacob not at all. You being in IE alone is more than a lot of “rooted” Americans who are sitting on their butts

2018-12-09 04:55:02 UTC

(of course, they’ve been taught that everything is fine, not their fault per se)

2018-12-09 04:57:02 UTC

but don’t feel bad. The way I see it, the late 19th/early 20th century European immigrants came here while America was still being built and helped build it, so people from their countries are welcome too

2018-12-09 04:57:38 UTC

almost all Europeans can say “someone from my country helped build America in some way”

2018-12-09 04:58:01 UTC

ehh I disagree but I feel like I've posted about this so many times on this server that I should probably avoid the topic for a while

2018-12-09 04:59:57 UTC

ok, I won’t pursue it

but just for perspective, my dad’s ancestors came here in the 1600s and my mom came here in the 1990s, so I really have both extremes in me lol

2018-12-09 05:03:04 UTC

And believe at these rallies he isn’t boasting about record low African - Italian unemployment rates

2018-12-09 05:04:37 UTC

@Jacob It's perfectly normal for immigrants and their kids to feel out of place and many did go home. At the same time, those who stayed built a connection to this land and their grandchildren became as much a part of the American people as anyone else (talking European immigrants obviously).
I think that, if you stay here and stay involved in IE, your grandchildren will see you as being someone who built (or maybe salvaged) America

2018-12-09 05:07:36 UTC

good point. If we do this right, we’ll be the ones making history.

2018-12-09 05:07:53 UTC

No matter what I'll do or where I'll go in life I plan to always support IE in some form

2018-12-09 05:08:14 UTC

I've been here for almost 2 years so I've outlasted most people

2018-12-09 05:09:13 UTC

@Jacob 2 year club supremacy!

2018-12-09 05:09:30 UTC

same. I anticipate that my views will be found out at some point, and at that point I’m diving headfirst into supporting IE/the movement in general

2018-12-09 05:10:02 UTC

@Nemets I imagine there are a fair number of people who get accepted, pay dues for a few months, don’t do anything, and get bored and leave

2018-12-09 05:11:48 UTC

@Nemets It's crazy high but that shouldn't stop you from helping change that

2018-12-09 05:12:04 UTC

@Goldstein Riots oh ya I remember you being here pretty far back

2018-12-09 05:12:34 UTC

I'm hoping to be a bean counter for the org at least in the side when I graduate

2018-12-09 05:18:52 UTC

Maybe now that's the case

2018-12-09 05:19:41 UTC

We had really bad attrition after Charlottesville, Nathan's resignation, and the old server getting shut down

2018-12-09 05:20:25 UTC

@Jacob I still miss #fashy_fashion.

2018-12-09 05:20:34 UTC

I miss HBD autism

2018-12-09 05:21:00 UTC


2018-12-09 05:21:16 UTC

lmao I remember there was a guy who posted his 23&Me in purity results and he was like 40% non-European

2018-12-09 05:21:19 UTC

Some people have left over disagreements as well and I think that’s why it’s important that we always strive to be respectful and cordial and nice to each other even when we disagree on certain topics. We can’t agree about everything 100% all the time, but when we do not agree we should still be respectful And not attack each other.

2018-12-09 05:21:58 UTC

That's reasonable

2018-12-09 05:22:05 UTC

I wonder what ever happened to that guy

2018-12-09 05:22:31 UTC

@Jacob he became Elliot Rogers.

2018-12-09 05:22:38 UTC


2018-12-09 05:23:17 UTC

I miss Shawn.

2018-12-09 05:23:34 UTC

wait who was Shawn?

2018-12-09 05:23:46 UTC


2018-12-09 05:23:48 UTC

Prince Hubris.

2018-12-09 05:23:59 UTC

no we had a channel called HBD autism @Nemets

2018-12-09 05:24:04 UTC

you would have loved it

2018-12-09 05:24:36 UTC

@Nemets you don’t buy the HBD stuff?

2018-12-09 05:25:12 UTC

@Jacob Remember when we split general into male and female.

2018-12-09 05:25:29 UTC


2018-12-09 05:25:36 UTC

I totally forgot we did that

2018-12-09 05:25:49 UTC

didn't it last like a week and we were like "okay this is stupid"?

2018-12-09 05:26:00 UTC

Pretty much.

2018-12-09 05:26:45 UTC

God, that was way back

2018-12-09 05:27:05 UTC

I wonder what other crazy stuff I'm forgetting

2018-12-09 05:27:57 UTC

I remember the nose ring, the infamous DC action that there's no evidence of, some of the old reacts

2018-12-09 05:28:14 UTC

alt right trivia

2018-12-09 05:28:41 UTC

@Jacob I remeber the trump 100 days rally action that never saw the light of day.

2018-12-09 05:29:12 UTC

IE nose ring was the best prank

2018-12-09 05:29:18 UTC

I honestly thought it was serious

2018-12-09 05:29:26 UTC

IE romper.

2018-12-09 05:29:30 UTC

I just thought "huh, that's kinda weird" and kept scrolling

2018-12-09 05:29:56 UTC

and then people were joking about IE teal hair dye lmao

2018-12-09 05:30:29 UTC

The IE fidget spinner, only one ever made.

2018-12-09 05:31:16 UTC
2018-12-09 05:31:42 UTC


2018-12-09 05:32:03 UTC

commies are erasing our history, i support erasing theirs

2018-12-09 05:32:16 UTC


2018-12-09 05:32:31 UTC

oh I remember the IE fidget spinner discussion

2018-12-09 05:32:39 UTC

@Nemets ah ok. It does seem pretty clear that race is genetic and does matter, but some people seem to think there’s a genetic component to *everything*

regardless, even if it was a social construct, it seems like an extremely persistent social construct that we can’t avoid

2018-12-09 05:32:40 UTC

I always thought we should actually produce those

2018-12-09 05:33:06 UTC

@Jacob There was one custom one made for Nathan.

2018-12-09 05:33:39 UTC

I mean we should have actually mass produced those kind of like the playing cards

2018-12-09 05:33:57 UTC

@Alex Kolchak - NY wait, *isn't* there a genetic component to everything?

2018-12-09 05:34:22 UTC

Race is biologically real, but precise barriers between races are partially cultural (eg Turks, Jews, and Lebanese not being white)

2018-12-09 05:35:03 UTC

There's a genetic component to almost everything, but it's not the only component

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