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With respect to your particular theology, and the comments of Lucius Ferraris: that shit is in open contention, and the current state of things proves that
As far as people are concerned, it isn't idolatry. End of story.
Since the scriptures have been interpreted
Christ, are we really going to do this shit like every other theological argument?
The problem is that you're calling something idolatry that isn't
So what, should we take down the Cross too?
I don't venerate a shape, but it is the symbol of the entire religion
It's a bit much to then say "tear it all down"
And even if you wanted to, the practical reality is that isn't ever happening
I don't want to please everyone, fuck the non-Christians of the world for all I care
But to call it idolatry is also wrong
The purpose is not the veneration of the symbol
We do not worship the Cross, and if we did then I'd agree with you
Those Catholics are asking for intercession
Kneeling is not in and of itself worship
I'm sure they did pray to Christ, as to why they would ask for intercession, it's probably because they want all the help they could get
And calling Mary a "dead woman" is just plain inaccurate
But saying that she's a dead woman is inaccurate. That's the Virgin Mary, and that's more than just a dead woman
I deny that it is idolatry. It is asking for intercession from the Virgin Mary, which is perfectly acceptable in Catholic doctrine
And who're you to dictate the faith?
Would you call the Virgin Mary unimportant?
Well that's an opinion call, Small Al
Oh come on now, Christianity has more interpretations than we can count
This argument proves that. The change in doctrines proves that
But you'd have to an idiot to believe that the religion doesn't get interpreted
The existence of the Nicene Creed is proof of interpretation
The argument of divinity or non-divinity, the argument of saint, of whether angels can be asked for intercession, etc., etc.
A perversion? Are we going full Luther now?
I would never call her the Mother of God. Mother of Jesus/Christ, yes
Or am I supposed to explain away every decision made by somebody else?
Well the opinions of laymen didn't affect the Church much either, Al
Did I ever say they didn't exist?
Now stop putting words in my fucking mouth
But it is a clear fact that my opinion isn't going to shift the ideas of Cardinals and Popes
or a normal priest for that matter
Al, you must have a problem reading
Because you keep ascribing stuff to me that I haven't said yet
I stated that before, but water under the bridge
Literally speaking, that image isn't made from silver
Sounds like you're interpreting, Al
I already explained the answer to that question
But this conversation isn't between me and you
And I don't remember asking for your thoughts on anything
You've argued against interpretation this entire time
And now you're saying that the material doesn't matter
My point is: you're doing interpretation right fucking now
They are neither gods or goddesses
Holy people, who accomplished miracles? Yes
And they should be seen as standards and examples of what we should do for the faith
Well, when you expunge the Catholic Church from the world, be sure to call me
Hardly what I said, but if that helps you sleep at night, sure
I'm being perfectly honest. But you're not the person I had the discussion with
So your particular opinion means fuck all
I will continue following the faith in the way I was taught and in keeping with the correct doctrines, yes.
what does a Rhino sound like?
I know a good spaghetti recipe if you need it
US investments in SA amount to a few tens of billions of dollars
you _could_ make a lot of people nervous about supporting a minority-genociding government
that Chris Picciolini is about to get ratio'd _real_ hard
She's milquetoast conservative to the core
Let me put it like this: Candace Owens expresses Conservative Inc opinions in ways that manage to be as exciting as vanilla ice cream
She's popular purely because she is black
think Roaming Millenial, but minus the HAPA
JLP is a solid 'meh'. He's just a guy that wants bleqs to have bleq families
I also don't really pay attention to normiecons any more
here is why I disagree with most black conservatives: they are liberals, they echo the liberal talking points, and they do nothing to change the status quo.
liberal in this case being 'classical liberal'
TL note: dems = white people
In any event: I'm sick and tired of the establishment shills
They repeat the same stock talking points and come up with newer mental gymnastics moves to stay out of the danger zone of realization
I mean, to me the entirety of the opposition, right & left & center is just... tiresome
But I'm also the first person to admit that I'm not interested in dealing with these people in the 'marketplace of ideas'. So I'm a bit biased
I replaced the Marketplace of Ideas with the Agora of Identity
it was an immediate improvement
what is this, the Identity Evrolympics?
I already have Jim's face in my head.
I can _feel_ the Boomer seeping through the skin
Boomer levels are breaching containment
I'd be cautious about assuming how much public figures support IE
It's hard to imagine any pro-white figure in public office who would support us
which is what tends to matter
Somebody better grab the guy and tell him how to do it constructively
Quick! Flash the Patrick Casey sign!
South Africa is too hot to ignore
And Southern, for better or worse, is the face that people will attach to it
It'll be a storm for a week or so. Then it'll die down again.
the gov't can't back down. And the world won't support the whites there.
They're considered honorary blacks because of their treatment under Apartheid, so... the Chinese are now 'black' under SA law
It'll be funny to see the country getting repo'd by the "black" Chinese
it isn't competition when one person gets crippled
WH40k is lame now. 3rd/4th edition were peak aesthetics
comics are pretty American
spacing between letters nationalism
>not watching Crime Scene Inquisition: Segmentum Solar
the Sopranos is single-handedly responsible for my ability to fake a New Jersey accent
Sopranos is also responsible for making me being able to say 'Gabbagoo'
who _hasn't_ copied a character's voice/mannerisms from the Sopranos?
I unironically go full Italian American at times
with respect to AltHype: you can't do much to save a drowning man that jumps right back into water after you get him out of it
I heard barbarians were bretty gud
that post just gave me cancer
Marcus Aurelius was a mediocre emperor
name me _one_ major accomplishment of Aurelius besides his philosophical writings
late Western Empire > Eastern Empire
who are we considering Romans? the original city-state? the branching out across Italy, or the entire empire?
clearly we're all descendants of the spirits of the Hyperborean people who left the mortal world to become souls residing in another dimension
Caesar > Cicero
apologists get the cross
That's cross talk right there
oh no, the senate oligarchs got replaced by one guy
this is _so_ different from how things already work
all my ancestors did was farm and woodwork
_EVERY_ event is an identiarian analogy
I don't know what I'm reading anymore
'Rasta Livewire' sounds like a strain of weed
I see the BBC directed a period film
we have to do a philosophical analysis of power
in the Nietzschean sense, of course
Wasn't there somebody here just saying how we had to be better to lead our people forward?
I've been here for a month, do I still count as new? @Asatru Artist - MD
Oh boy. It's this all over again.
>not soothing the machine for the 30 second duration
this is what you get with hacks
we ran out of potatoes already
at least a WW2 game _has_ a comms officer
even though I doubt that backpack is the right one
ironic, given how many minorities were in the WW1
and the Brits that were less white than the Ottomans
BFV is a game that's... not gonna do well
the Brits in BF1 weren't as white as the Ottomans. this is especially obvious on Suez
or that one map with the big fortress that wasn't Monte Grappa
(Monte Grappa was fucking _baste_)
ironically no colonial units are shown in the WW1 or WW2 game(s)
which would make perfect sense for the minorities to be in
>yfw the diversity of uniforms in the Great Wars won't ever be displayed because game developers are lazy moneygrubbers
back when _health packs_ were a thing
CoD2 was also pretty great
add it to your memetic collection, Frei
any man without a meme collection is no man worth having
look, if you want to stir the hornet's nest, here's how you do it
Skyrim was a mediocre game that was VASTYL overblown by hype culture
Everyone who likes it is Nord LARPing to the max
who, ironically, are well known for their love of moon sugar (cocaine) and skooma (booze)
there are no women in gaming
I've never been exactly sure how pan-europeanism is supposed to work itself out
the EU seems to be the far more likely (and bad) outcome for that sort of idea
but at what point do the Euro-diaspora nations become their own ethnic identities?
now I suddenly wished I knew graphic design
>tfw known for being able to blend into crowds
it's a good feel
because varsity jackets are for... varsity stuff
catch me wearing shorts because it's 118 out
I'm the guy not there because sitting around doing nothing is for poseurs
it's French for "we make our own words"
G'day everyone. I've been given some good news. (Not for IE, but for me personally.)
I've been given the offer to do some work for a company that's going to help me get my M.Sc. degree
the whole 'we'll pay you' makes it so much the better
indeed. it also means I get the chance to do a whole bunch of other stuff
Like send money to IE for that bitchin' lapel pin
Hey, I'm not participating in revolutionary, first-of-their-kind movements in American history without _something_ to show for it
No, no. My degree is in the physical sciences
But this project (and the stuff I've been doing) is first of its kind level stuff
But since nobody wants to hear a person go on about _cue nerdlinger voice_ "statistical correlations relating to metal detection methods" I'll spare the details
I _am_ learning how to code, but that's more of a series of side-projects and not really meant for a degree
yes, that too is important
my only point of disagreement is this: having been to Europe, I don't "feel" European. I feel... well, American.
American to me has at this point become its own ethnic 'thing'. or at least, it's a nascent ethnic identity
I mean, sure, but America's whole "white = American" is nothing new. it's the exact same idea that's carried across most places with a mixed race population
it was the same principle in places like French Algeria or South Africa
oh yeah, all that money and attention and sponsorship deals
definitely how we treat zoo animals
American _is_ white specific. Minority groups say that America is a white country
ironically listening to the POC is the solution
I'm insulted that her father thought that Mexican food was the end-all be-all
Make the White American feel proud in being American
By which I mean: a White American must be able to recognize themselves as being a distinct entity with its own history and heritage
_positive_ history and heritage, obviously
to a large extent, White Americans _do_ recognize themselves as separate with a heritage and identity
But many white americans tend to have no understanding of either personal or community history
Which has a habit of making them look at everything through the lens of "muh modernity"
big words from a one-car train
We're one step away from hitting "working class scum.jpg"
Identity Wrestleuropa 2018 confirmed
hopefully without the resulting genocide
Most Americans haven't actively fought for their identity either
A birthplace they haven't known in generations
Some blacks have made that very argument
But those blacks have _also_ said that they see themselves as a distinct entity away from... well, everything else
Black America isn't Africa. It's something entirely different.
It's pretty different, yes
Seeing how they have higher average IQs...
My _point_ is that people after a time of separation view themselves as being different
and that separation time isn't some hard-coded 1000 years
Hallelujah, we've accepted cultural evolution
G'morning IE. I hope you've been keeping your eyes peeled to the latest news from conflict zones the world over
(And my Friday went badly too. I hate it when flying takes up all my day.)
Pfft, the German protests are peanuts compared to what happened in Donetsk yesterday
A major Donetsk rebel got killed in a cafe. Nobody knows who did it: Ukraine, Russia, _or_ America
The Donetsk People's Republic president no less
To make the rumor mill stronger, there's now word going 'round that Russia's activated the strategic reserves, closed the border with the DNR, and have mobilized their ships in the eastern Med
the OPCW has also not yet confirmed that Assad was responsible for any chemical weapons yet
It's possible, but I don't think Assad would authorize it. Now some officer freaking out/breaking orders? Definitely in the realm of 'I can see it'
But so far the stories have been that Assad's government has destroyed all their chemical weapons... which leaves the rebels themselves as either liars or guys that did it to themselves.
It's pretty immaterial though, since the UN won't ever get Assad charged with anything
Libya's also getting spicy again: Tripoli is seeing armed groups fighting each other again, rocket attacks on the airport, etc. The whole nine yards.
>not showing the flag
Jealous as ever, I see
Get an Angolan on the Moon and I might believe that. 'Till then... naw
It's times like this that I wish VR was real, just so I could put on aviators and go, "tough luck world, get on America's Lunar Level"
Ah yes, 'Tism Waifu Simulator 2049
I dunno, Neil Armstrong planting the flag with some metal prosthetic arm would be cool
LITERALLY a strong arm planting the flag
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