Who has the evidence?

GenZ cares less about this stuff, probably. People reacted positively in my favor, simply because they hated the SJWism

The tldr for everyone not currently doxxed is to delete all social media that associates your real name with your real face and anything in between, and remove your info from people-finding websites. Disassociate with anyone who might be inclined to dox you if at all possible. Live a lifestyle that would at worst get you doxxed as a Tucker Carlson-esque Trumpian nationalist.

Old peers that I haven’t seen in a long time. Keep in mind I wasn’t an adult when this stuff came out

Well it's easy for them to give a thumbs up when their door isn't being knocked down, but the point is that if one person leaks evidence then they could easily start to get harassed and even if they like you they will probably choose not to associate with you.

I only have 2 non ideological, non movement friends left after my doxx last year

Is there any way for you to erase the evidence, @NateDahl76 ?

Is it like digital stuff you can delete?

Post Charlottesville they call my employer and said my working there creates a hostile environment for blacks and minorities

But I guess it showed me my real friends

It was painful for a while

Thought I was going to loose my job but in the end didn't.

@ThisIsChris yeah it’s all screenshots, buried somewhere on different devices and a bit of plausible deniability

ah I see, that is good

My biggest fear with being doxxed would be if something like what happened to Tucker happened to me, I know its pretty irrational but I wouldn't want anything to happen to my family

Stuff posted on social media has since been taken down

Part of it was having a good communal relationship with my coworkers

setting yourself up for plausible deniability is good

You have to make yourself a target to get the Tucker treatment.

If you get doxxed the trades do not care. Let’s not leave that fact out.

The blacks and minorities that "they" said I created a hostile environment for stood up for me

Be boring, they won't put much effort into ruining your life.

MrBland lol

Lol yes

Yeah being uninteresting is good opsec too.

Yeah for now I'm just some kid who goes to school and has a menial job

I'd say everyone around me knows my views, they also know I'm not hostile and want what is best for everyone.

Yeah I know someone who owns a trade company, couldn’t imagine him firing people for their views. If someone gets doxed in IE, I could probably set that up

Going to Cville is about the most interesting thing many of us have done

Being uninteresting, setting yourself up for plausible deniability, not associating normie life with movement life, being a friendly person in normie life, these are all good opsec practices. I think this conversation moved from "doxxing" being antifa harassing employers to "doxxing" meaning "my close personal friends know my views"

@NateDahl76 that’s not a special scenario. no trade company will be googling your name. If they do, many won’t even care

I think it is important to have our views seen as common sense and not a threat

That is the approach I always try to take.

Johnny Monoxide's hellish experience in a trade largely had to do with being in San Francisco I believe

And being on TRS

I have tried to be a lot further under the radar than I was.

I think if we change our name to something more normie friendly like the American Identity Society or something like that, it'll provide an extra layer of protection for people if they're doxxed.

@Virgil we are an explicitly pro white organization

@Virgil probably will, something to consider after our CVille lawsuit ends.

We are not watering that down

I would miss EVROPA 😢

Is any progress that’s made with a watered down name/message really progress?

Let's not change our name. It would be bad branding.

It doesn't matter what name we choose. They'll still call us neo-nazis.

The V has become a meme. I would be comfy with a change to a U, but I’ll accept whatever leadership decided

The V is chad.

And no, the ADL and SPLC don’t call us Neo Nazis

They call Mosley one

They call us White Nationalists

@NateDahl76 Really? The ADL doesn't even call us that anymore?

The wiki is gatekept

holy shit

Yeah when I checked it was “white supremacist”

Could be wrong

That's slightly better.

It's one thing to change your name when you're tiny and as yet ineffective. It's another when your ranks are burgeoning and the mexican government thinks you're mean.

At least it's not using the n word against us.

wait

lol!!!

I just realized...

Neo-Nazi: The Double N Word.

*neon

that's perfect for optics

calling that word the double n word.

I once told a lefty that called me a nazi that nazi is the N word for white people 😂😂

Yeah but Neo-Nazi means something bad

whereas the usual n-word just means black person

@ThisIsChris As did every slur at one point.

@ThisIsChris The n word was once socially acceptable to use.

@ThisIsChris Now we can make the double n word a mainstream slur.

The whole neo-nazi thing is a joke, especially since we've put in rules banning it.

Can we make appeals to change it?

@Axel Cyberstrike is already on it.

Nice

Yeah and it took a century of reconstruction and integration enforced by the military, scotus, media to change the use of the n word. Trump can't even take away an asshole's press pass, there's no way we're going to turn neo-nazi into a slur.

I could be wrong but I think younger people who weren't around for WN 1.0 don't associate the term with Jack boots and pinwheels. As "neo nazi" and "white supremacist" lose their flair, surely in part thanks to good optics, the left is trying to turn WN into the new n-word for whites. But when they call Trump and Steve King white nationalists, they hurt their own objective and the term loses power by their very use of it.

People are getting radicalized but overall I think it's few in our direction. One example is the recent mid-term elections which were a blue wave. Another example for me is a personal friend who describes himself as a conservative libertarian but now posts angrily about "the nazi threat"

More like a blue thief in the night

@⚡Clark⚡ I know and we should be but there is a political optics game that needs to be played, It would be an aesthetic change, not ideological

Allsup is growing stronger as our enemies continue to mutate
https://youtu.be/MjhHhmUMWeI

That is definitely a mutation...

Chaos daemons are real

**What are some measurements that indicate IE's importance and influence?**
We have about 800 dues-paying members I think.
We have 30k followers on Twitter.
DtR got 550 likes on Twitter.
The latest episode of Identitarian Action has 916 youtube views in about a day's time.

Who are people we can compare with?
Mike Cernovich has 453k followers on Twitter.
His most popular tweet in the past hour has about 200 likes

Jazzhands mcfeels has 25k followers on twitter
His Nov14th tweet on Trump-Antifa got 814 likes on Twitter

Nick Fuentes has 30k followers on twitter
His most recent broadcast has 5k views on youtube in the past 18 hours
His tweet from 6 hours ago has 600 likes on twitter

This bring back the whole “they are gonna call you a Nazi anyways” bit. That doesnt mean put on some armbands and start goosestepping. It means be so clean cut and clearly not Nazis that the term loses its edge.

Having our name being very honest and frank about who we are is a good thing

It’s respectable

We’re not trying to be sly, we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of

White Identity is ok.

@missliterallywho White Nationalist is a better term than Neo nazi or White Supremacist. But only a bit, the issue isn't so much the term itself, rather the people associated with it. The term White Nationalist emerged as 1.0 was trying to present something of a better image in the 90's, however it failed and a lot of spergs started using the term, ruining it for everybody else.

@⚡Clark⚡ How is a name like the American Identity Society a dishonest ? We're American based, we believe in Identity and we're a society.

If anything it's a bit less esoteric

Because American Identity isn’t explicitly white anymore

“They’re an American group that only take whites? Lol closet racists”

Our message and mission is simple. Advocate for white Identity

Good morning, fellow Rocky Mountain Republicans

@missliterallywho dude if you think that's bad, I had a class reading that said disability is not bad, it's a beautiful part of the human experience that contributes to diversity

@⚡Clark⚡ American race blind civic nationalism is a late 20th century concept, that would,be completely alien to most Americans throughout 90% of American history. It's an aesthetic change not idealogical. Good understandable and relatable aesthetics are essential for any political movement or organization

@Virgil but it’s not alien to the current state, which is what is relevant. Our impact that we have, and our efforts to change the discourse about white Identity would be severely handicapped if we were vague in our name.

Changing our name at this point I disagree with immensely. We’re established at the level of causing international outrage as “Identity Evropa” with the Mexican consulate thing like Mrs said. IE has heft. Changing our name isn’t a good call imo

@ThisIsChris It's actually surprising how little people care. Everyone who knows me well knows what I believe and I don't get a lot of push back.

You would be sacrificing the zing of our organization to be more palatable in an area that shouldn’t b compromised

People would see past the name change

No one is gonna say "oh Identity America? ya they're super moderate unlike that evropa group that has nothing to do with them"

Exactly. It would only be seen as cucking, and not in a good optics way. If you change your name to a term that’s civic nationalist, what do you even stand for?

When IE first came out, there were plenty of articles identifying us as the successor of National Youth Front. They don't talk about it anymore because they have better things to smear us with, but it's not a secret that we came out of NYF. Anyone can find this information on Google.

I already decided, if we change our name to Identity America, I am photoshipping Patrick's face in every fortnite dance in history.

I'm not messing around.

So you already did it once lol?

Lol. "once"

This is how you get stuff done, gentlemen.

@⚡Clark⚡ It isn't vague though, if anything it's less vague than Identity Evropa.

Europe is pretty specific. America is a continent

What is vague about Identity Evropa? Literally just a fancy way of sayin Identity white people @Virgil

How is a civic nationalist term less vague?

@Virgil I get that WN 1.0 sullied the term in the 90s. My point was that I had no knowledge of that when I entered the movement, so the term was not sullied to me. I can't be the only person for whom this is true. Not saying we should call ourselves WN, just that to a lot of young normies the term doesn't invoke the images it does to older people and political obsessives like us and hardcore leftists.

I'm in my public speaking class right now and this white girl is talking about how important black women empowerment is

There's nothing civic nationalist about saying "American Identity"

Americans had a unique identity rooted in European values up until WWII

Most people don't know that

@Jacob they *do* have to be both a mom and a dad.

@tsea American Identity has successfully been transformed into a civic nationalism Identity, in the current state. What is how something used to be, 70 years ago, relevant today?

@Jacob "I'm in my public speaking class right now and this white girl is talking about how important black women empowerment is" What's her argument?

I joined IE after seeing the posters two years ago and I immediately got it. If I saw some posters about how cool America is, I'd have been like "eh, another civnat group" and kept on walking.

@⚡Clark⚡ because the core of America (white America) still has that identity

Furthermore with a more normie friendly name we can conduct business much more easily. Venues will be much less suspicious of us if we had an optical name. Plus it would be symbolic of the normalization of our organization

Most people think history started at WWII and that we fought that war to save Holocaust victims.

@ThisIsChris She doesn't have an argument, she's just giving a speech on some black actress and her support of black women empowerment was mentioned as one thing that's cool about her

@missliterallywho I want to take back the term "white nationalist" some day but I see why we shouldn't use it now

@Jacob same

I don't want to be an "identitarian" forever. Deep down we know it's an artificial label. But it's the best we have right now.

@missliterallywho "Most people think history started at WWII and that we fought that war to save Holocaust victims." That's a favorable narrative to us. I've trolled jews on reddit and twitter asking if they're ever going to thanks whites for giving their lives for them

@⚡Clark⚡ "You misspelled Europe" "What's up with the v?" "What's evropa?" Look at our twitter comments from time to time

@Jacob oh ok. Well so long as she's pro-black but not anti-white that's cool.

Getting a normie friendly name won't change much once ADL, SPLC et al jump on it and make sure everyone knows we're still us

@ThisIsChris this, anytime people say whites need to pay for the Holocaust i tell them we lost half a million men fighting the perpetrators of the Holocaust

V is *aesthetic*

"it's important to stand up for what you believe in but it's also important to understand both sides" okay this girl said something based and redpilled

@tsea it's a great talking point!

@missliterallywho Maybe the term will be redeemed in the future, but probably not anytime soon.

Only brainlets don't get the V

@ThisIsChris ehhh I don't think it's productive for white people to go around saying they're pro-black, but, I mean, ya, we shouldn't be "anti" other people

I would say I'm pro every race. Not just for optics, I genuinely want everyone to be happy in their homeland. But the problem with specifying that I'm "pro black", is that I'm singling out a group that isn't my own for no good reason.

Being "anti" other people is cringe and bluepilled

But so is going out of your way to please them

Oh yeah pleasing other groups is not a good goal, but something unique about white people is that they get warm feelings when presented with selfless rhetoric so it could just help lower people's defenses sometimes where the goal is appealing to our people.

"at the time, it was a time of scared" - Asian girl on Japanese internment camps

Also changing the name will put some distance between us and C'ville and it would represent our tactical and aesthetic shift, since c'ville

"big replacement is big scary" - Patrick Casey, big director man of Identify Europe

@Virgil I agree it would be an outward sign that we know CVille is a tainted mess

We can find a new name where we switch the u with a v

If i do a word association game with a normie-- left or right-- where I say "white nationalist" and they say "Trump," then the term is already in the process of being redeemed. If they say "skinhead," then not so much.

Trump is a skinhead

that's why he wears a wig

to cover up his skinhead

that's also where the term "wignat" comes from

>Not having skin on your head

<:tucker:378724715679711233> <:thinkplant:359034245777457173> <:nervous:359009898115104770>

liberals have hair growing straight out of their brains

because they're so open minded

skin on your head makes you not open minded

if im bald irl does that constitute bad optics <:thinkplant:359034245777457173>

This meme has potential

😫

Being bald just means you're high-T.

Λmerica

*More sensitive to T

Horowitz...sounds...foreign

Alien

@ThisIsChris C'ville is a tainted mess, but through no fault of our own or anybody in the organization

second girl in class today giving a speech on Ellen 🙄

Ellen Degenerate?

@Virgil well we did participate in it and shouldn't have

Which time?

lol ya

I gave my speech on Andrew Jackson

teacher loved it

lol this Mexican girls keeps saying "gifts" and it sounds like "gibs"

@ThisIsChris Exactly and while the public perception of C'ville may be silly and false, C'ville is still a very radioactive event that killed off most of a movement. We should try to put as much distance between ourselves and C'ville as possible

The torch rally was badass

I honestly wish I was there

it was badass but unfortunately it's been smeared

honestly, I wish I could have been in Charlottesville, too, even though it ended badly

I joined up post CVille, kills me that I wasn’t a part of it tbh

Optics ya ya, I will always be jealous of the men at the torch march

This might sound cringe but sometimes I watch it and get pumped up to go workout.

It's my preworkout

I was already in IE for a while when Charlottesville happened. But I lived with my parents and that would be quite the explaining to do. And I didn't have money to blow. Which is still don't, which is why I don't go to national events.

I remember last winter me and a guy in the TN chapter would hook up the big speakers at his house and blast the audio from the torch march after some European style consumption of beverages

Good times

@Sam Southern - TN hell yeah

If the torch march had happened in isolation then it would be cool. But now it's just the prelude to when our movement started falling apart.

@Sam Southern - TN Do you have a good audio file?

I never IDed as “alt right” lol my movement didn’t fall apart @ThisIsChris

@Jacob he does, I’ll ask at the next meetup

@ThisIsChris To be fair, I did have a lot of College Republicans tell me that the torches alone were bad optics. But I don't know how much of that was just them saying it to signal.

@Sam Southern - TN Thanks

@Sam Southern - TN by fall apart I mean "all the bad things that have happened to IE"

@Jacob yeah maybe torches were a little too kkk-ish

Growing pains on the path to our current status as the only legitimate nationalist movement on the dissident right

@ThisIsChris Are hash tables harder than linked lists?

Because I need to learn them really fast

I honestly thought the optics of the torch march were amazing.

@Jacob they are more like constant-time access arrays except of an integer index you have a hash function create a number out of a key and that gives you the integer for the constant-time access

@Asatru Artist - MD heavy avow

Anti-torches is codeword for anti-white

How did torches look to the white people we want to appeal to though?

linked list is code word for complicated

@Jacob linked lists are easy to implement but take longer to access the elements

It's complicated when you're new to it 😕

Maybe for you yanks it’s different, down here the torches were fine. Obviously the cosmopolitans will say what they do, but for der normie the torches were fine

one guy told me we should have used candles

Churchy for sure

@Jacob that does sound more audience friendly

Torches looked bad ass to the people we want to appeal to. Would have looked even better without roman saluting autists and that one shirtless guy holding a beer the whole time

ehhhhhhhhhh

using candles would have been like a funeral vigil

I like the torches more than the candles same

like we're mourning that all hope is lost

better to use nothing than candles

Technically weren’t y’all “mourning” the loss of the statue?

@Sam Southern - TN no

I mean I guess but it would look defeatist

Afaik the rally was about the confederate statue being taken down. It turned into more than that obviously, but it started because of the statue

@ThisIsChris how long should it take me to figure out hash tables?

I feel like I've done them in the past

The energy that night was far from mournful

@Jacob 40 minutes, MIT opencourseware has great videos

oh nice

I'm gonna make it

we're all gonna make it brah

@DairyMaxx hi fren 🤗

having an identitarian sibling sounds fun

God, it feels so fake to use that word when we both know what we mean

It's better when you're not 1300 miles apart

@ThisIsChris Jacked yo meme:

@missliterallywho miss you guys

@missliterallywho ya I get it. I'm an only child but I get it.

still cool to have a sibling who is white, and also a nationalist

@DairyMaxx same 😢

@Jacob siblings break your clue boardgame though

Actually crying a little lol

It's ok I had Monopoly too

Unpopular opinion: the torches were a horrible idea. I was sympathetic at the time and I thought it looked like a hunt to find Shrek

@VinceChaos same

Get out of muh swamp

Yeah the torch march was literally playing into the stereotype of torchwielding angry country folk that the Jewish media portrays white people as. No wonder many white people who could have been sympathetic disavowed us.

@VinceChaos Vince get out of our safe space bro!

@ThisIsChris chris same to you lol

<:nervous:359009898115104770>

@missliterallywho It's going to be very based and redpilled as well once we get the Washington and Montana chapters together to do activism. And, uh, Idaho, I guess, if you can call that a chapter.