Then around 23 they start to get a little more serious

my personal experience, though I'm sure it's the same the other way around as well

You are definitely right man. Then at 27 they usually take another turn

i was a shithead up until like 2 years ago

I'm a shithead

So i've been texting this girl for a week, then I ask her out on a date and she says she's not looking to date anyone right now. When I asked for her number initially I was perfectly clear I wanted to date her, so why did she text with me for a week acting like she was into me?

Because girls love attention

She could have been texting other guys at the same time

Oof, you are probably right though.

>texting for a week

no no no

Unfortunately it is probably done man. Lots of girls are like that though, on to the next

only use texting to set up a real world meeting

I probably messed up by not asking her out sooner right?

depends

just be aware of momentum

feelings build

or fall off

You do want to strike while the iron is hot. Ask her out when she is feeling you

@Attrition in the desert I think the principle behind what @Deleted User and @Pat-MA are saying is that you want to make your intentions clear. If you dilly dally for a week she may have no idea you're actually serious either

True, my rationale was that I didn't want to come on too strong.

I'm pretty retarded with women though so haha

I'd unironically recommend pua channels

they understand the female psyche very well

alot of pua are degenerate fags though

The least bad I'd say is RSDMax

Didn't one of those guys get kicked out of japan for being too chad rofl?

i like the website girlschase

I'll have to check both those out, thanks bois.

@Attrition in the desert#6260 that’s was julien I believe and no it wasn’t because he was being too chad but too rapey

Convo from <#436337973001322508> that belongs here:

>Is money really that attractive to women
The base biological value that women bring to a relationship is fertility and the base value that men bring is resources.

Most things men first notice in a women are indicators of fertility.

Most things women first notice in a man are indicators of resources and the ability to acquire resources.

Indeed, sexual market value like Stefan molyneux talks about.

I think it’s important to display your resources in a non tacky way. Taking it to the extreme, I think it looks tacky for a 20 something to drive around in a Ferrari or to wear a very expensive watch. The question here is how to display our resources in a non tacky manner that will attract the right girls rather than those looking for a meal ticket.

Why not discuss your ambition to own a decent home.

The relationship between men and women is complimentary. I.e. Men provide the resources, women utilize the resources to create and nurture a family/community.

Therefore, women are looking for a man who is responsible with his money and can provide for the long-term. Someone who isn't interested in wasting it on fancy luxury items.

Zyzz makes a fantastic point.

All rules that apply to the IE national server apply here - including professional language - irrespective of the topic. Thanks.

@everyone ^^^

Work out. Eat right. Increase your testosterone. Be a dick. Be fun. You’ll do ok.

tender aggression is the key

If I wear my Omega watch and some gold, is that tacky, or superior?

Ask yourself, do I look like a Persian dude dressing up?

I don't, I was wondering what a woman's perspective was, I should have clarified.

Just get this tatted on your chest so she knows you're not only rich, but have great taste

Put that thing away.

@John O - owo

So this girl at my church, when I first asked her on a date she said she was too busy with schoolwork when she cancelled our first planned date on me. Then when the semester ended I asked her again and she said she was busy with graduation, so I told her to let me know if she's ever free. But now graduation is over, do I try again to schedule a date or do I just consider this ship sailed unless she reaches out to me?

If she was interested she would have found time

that was my thinking

^^^

but she also just graduated from high school

so she's not the most mature person

obviously

she's only a couple years younger than me, before anyone says anything about that

If shes down, she will make the effort to contact YOU.

Young girls like that are fickle as hell

ship status: sailed

eyes toward the future i guess

Indeed mein freund

Next time that happens, press a little harder, like "well you're going to need a snack break. Let's meet at _________"

i probably could've done something like that

i was worried about coming on too strong

maybe me asking when the semester was over is what did that

Yea of course you were worried about that. It's hard to find the right balance.

@Gaius Mucius Scaevola if you have nothing to lose socially, go for it again. If she's part of your church and you're worried about a bad reputation, lay off of it

i think i might just give it time

and if we interact in person at church more

maybe give it a shot

@Gaius Mucius Scaevola my experience was that people weren't really stable people when it came to dating until they were 23. I assume it's something about hormones and settling down, not really sure. Also I don't think it's a hard rule, but I would use it as a guideline. Not sure how old you are but dating a woman slightly older than you isn't bad if you want to give the 23+ thing a shot.

@ThisIsChris i'm turning 23 in July. Church girl by comparison is 18

@Gaius Mucius Scaevola Even though I would root for you, this has all the signs of something that won't work out the way you were hoping.

yeah, i have similar feelings but I'm not sure if that's just me rationalizing out of being in pain over it

@Gaius Mucius Scaevola sounds like acceptance

1. "She'll probably hit me up."
2. "why would she show interest in me and invite me to sit next to her if she wasn't interested in me?"
3. "i'll just ask her again sometime."
4. "tfw no trad orthodox church girl gf"
5. "probably wouldn't have worked out anyway"

haha amazing

IMO, the problem is one-itis. Find another lead or two and pursue them, then consider coming back to this one after the focus is not so narrow and naturally your confidence around her will be higher too.

^

The women on Christian Mingle are incredibly traditional. Multiple profiles saying their main life goal is to be a good mother.

Already back into it, good for you, @Tanner - SC

Yeah, religion can be a good proxy for traditionalism. I know a few guys that met their wives at church

I heard this pick-up line is really effective:
Fight demographic decline, be mine!

So I'm about to go meet a girl from my church who has traveled all the way from Australia to look for a christian husband. We've sent a few emails back and forth but today I'm actually going to meet her in person. Any last minute advice?

Dood nice

@Der Seeteufel - SD I suggest giving extra attention to making her feel comfortable, even if she is enthusiastic, travelling to a new country to meet a man she hasn't met IRL before must be very stressful! Also she's there to learn about you, so show her around places important to you. (Did you clean your room?) House, maybe a quick pass by your work site, church, town center or wherever else you like to hang out.

We are going to meet at a church retreat in another state so she won't see my house, but my house is pretty clean. I don't actually live there most of the time because I get room and board where I work.

Don’t act like she is the only woman you’ve ever been around. Treat her like you would want a man to treat your daughter.

Make her laugh. Always make them laugh.

Two fish are in a tank, one says to the other "How do you drive this thing?"

Okay maybe don’t lead with that but you get the idea

I think I’ve figured out online dating. I recommend eHarmony, Christian Mingle, and Match.
* The messaging feature is not to introduce yourself, it’s not to flirt, it’s not to get to know them better.
* Just hit the “like” button on the girls you like.
* Put the rest of your effort into your profile itself and analyzing their profile before hitting “like”.
* If she “likes” you back, you proceed straight to asking her out via message. “Want to do <activity> on <> day at <> place at <> time?”
* If she accepts, “Great, see you then.”
* Do all further courting and vetting in person.
* If the date goes well, get her phone number and make further contact through phone/text.

^Accurate

@Tanner - SC good insight

@Tanner - SC that's good advice for texting a girl you met IRL too. Just ask her out, plan logistics and that's it. No reason to be too chatty. Guys worry about what they should say too much. If she's interested, you hardly have to say anything.

Tbh most girls I’ve met online like to chat in varying amounts prior to meeting in person. I’ve even spoken to a few on the phone. I think it’s a way for them to get comfortable with you prior to meeting face to face. We need to understand a girls experience with online dating is very different from ours. There are a lot of poorly socially adjusted people out there and many guys are just looking for hook ups. Chances are the girl you met wants to make sure you are neither of these people. If she wants to chat with you I would be receptive to make her as comfortable with you as you can

@Zyzz re: "there are a lot of poorly socially adapted people out there" hmm maybe we should start a dating site with IE-style vetting and rules

@Zyzz what apps were you using? No one looks for hooks ups on eHarmony. Plus, I make it clear in my profile what I’m seeking.

@TV She may also want to verify that you're a real person. Plenty of fake profiles out there that are used to lure women into unsafe situations. It's a real concern.