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@R9b1t nah man liberals are all nice
It was a conservative Jewish church shot up.
If a civil war occurs I am gonna take sides with the right
Even though Im more left
conservatives are all nazis
I'm going to make sure one doesn;t happen
How?
to many people want to kill me and my kind
So where is the institutionally supported violence on the right? Leftist institutions support black bloc
Where is the other half to "both sides"?
@Cody good call, we generally don't harm or kill people for their political beliefs
The Tree of Life synagogue is a Conservative Jewish congregation, according to its website. Itโs in Squirrel Hill, a historic Jewish neighborhood.
has nothing to do with politics
Its cause of my race
oh you're white
Who wins if we come apart? Not the left or the right. China. Russia. Who wants to hand the world to the CCP and kleptocrats in the Kremlin?
Im jewish....
oh
wait then why join the right
arent we all nazis?
Cause they allow for gun ownership
arent the left the good guys?
like that shapiro guy. what a nazi
We love conservative Jews on the right.
so I can shoot any nazis
Grab that yamulka and grow out those sideburns.
@Bookworm dont believe trump's lies, everyone on the right is a nazi
i'm not a nazi. i'm a russian bot.
Judaism isn't an issue except in the far 5% of both left and right. BOTH the far left and far right are the problem for our Jewish friends.
hell i didn't think i was one, but i was told i am so it *must* be true
Beep boop cyka blyat.
CHEEKI BREEKI
The middle on both sides are fine
That's the other one I have trouble with. What makes someone like Richard Spencer- a pro welfare state, anti conservative, right wing?
Far left hates Israel. Far right hates Jews because they "run the world".
@Atkins didnโt they tell you? Russian bot = nazi = mysogonist = racist = trumpist.
can we switch from left and right to Authoritarian and Libertarian? Because then the Communists and Nazis end up on the same side of the equation where they belong.
I mean, they probably wouldn't care that Jews ran the world if they did things they liked.
*Jooz
Well that's the thing. I don't think "the political right" is a good faith categorization to be perfectly honest
I'm libertarian. Unfortunately, the Republican AND Democratic Platforms are Authoritarian.
the extremes both are
thats why i think we should switch
The left is already trying to blame this on Trump.
Both the Republicans and Democrats scream about liberty, but only liberty to live the way they do
"Lets be incivil to non-democrats"
"Trump is responsible for violence"
I don't get why socialist is on the left but NATIONAL socialist is suddenly on the other end of the spectrum.
thats a left-wing lie they tell us
Depends on which Republican
I want to say depends on which Dem as well but I'm drawing blanks tbh
Trump does advocate for violence against those who disagree with him
socialism and national socialism are on the left
In his own televised rallies
I advocate
For dabs on the haters
No, national socialism as developed in the early 1900's was the right's answer to Marxism
Oh yeah... to the same extent that the far left and democrats do. I highly doubt it... he mostly been talking about how they incompetent in the rallies. He says stupid shit in attempt to joke, but fails and the media spins it to sound like he is calling for violence.
Wholy crap I got an ad for something other than CRTV on one of Tim's videos.
Dude... have you really looked at the full videos of the rally.
Mussolini and Hitler were vehemently anti communist
Not all socialists are communist
I watch the whole video and they take his speech, chop it up... then spin it in a way that look hateful.
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos.
Now we got a whole ton of far left screaming for his head, while he is trying to say we must come together. There is too much hate.
and they are both authoritarian bullcrap that gets people killed.
If you want to look at the people who is advocating hate... look at the media.
What is the core difference between socialism and fascism? Almost everything people name on the fascist side also occurred on the socialist one
the main difference is who they think it should apply to really
They are recklessly working towards more views, more clicks, more ratings.
National socialism was the state above all. The state could use whatever economic means it wanted to run the country or maintain power. It was all about power. Economics were secondary.
They don't care about what they have to do, they want that clicks and ratings.
My understanding is they are highly similar, but change where they draw divides between groups.
i agree
Socialism is class vs class, fascism is nation vs nation.
Communism was all about communal ownership of capital. The core was economic and politics and the state were secondary. In fact the state was to become irrelevant.
Your economy is a measure of power ultimately
@Grenade123 actually i think national socialism is branded on the right, cuz they have a system of high state + a heirarchy of People -> Leaders -> Fuhrer
And both a large state + heirarchy are right-wing traits on the 1D spectrum
socialism and fascism are only seperated by one thing
The goal of a socialist state is to consolidate economic power, potentially for the purpose of bringing about a communist state
Socialism is about class, and Fascism is about race and class
Yes
How so, codes?
actually, depends. IT was really hitler that cared about race
There were also racial/ethnic elements in socialist States though
Italian fascism was not about race as much
then why does the current wave of socialists care so much about segregation?
Where fascism and communism match is that the individual is irrelevant. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
I was unaware of an intrinsic class divide in fascist theory.
there isn't
Becuase the current wave are fascists not soclialists
True fascism is just having an "over-state" that can swoop in during times of crisis, and override any and all authority
Classical liberalism, of which I am a proponent, believes that only by freeing the individual will society prosper
i agree
They also match in terms of a focus on economic control, and are ultimately necessarily imperialist as a result
Because a command economy in isolation is going to get fucked
Both fascism and communism subsume the individual
Both also performed mass murder on the basis of ethnic background
the goal of fascists is to have a self-sustaining economy, so you can isolate yourself if needed
Liberalism frees the individual
why
Hence I am a liberalist in the mold of Winston Churchill
The individual is a mechanism of the state. Completely ignoring that aspect of our identity is unhealthy.
The state is a tool of the individual
The goal of fascism is whatever the State wants. The State is *everything* in fascism. Which is why it is so easy for the one in power to abuse it because they become the State and hence absolutely powerful.
In a free society, the state exists as a function of public need, not the other way around
Hitler claimed to BE Germany
Socialism lead to the same conclusion though
An individual is not the public.
And when he was about to die he wanted Germany to be utterly destroyed so that it would never recover
If you disagreed with Stalin you got disappeared
The public is a number of individuals
whay
We see the same cult of personality happening in China now as Xi consolidates his power
The state exists to weigh the power of individuals against each bother, and the public against individuals. Avoid mob rule and negation of rights
As Xi "becomes" China, China completes their mutation from a possibly nascent Communist state to pure fascism.
China was never Communist, just Socialist
Mao did believe in Marx. He, like Stalin, thought extreme measures were justifiable.
China is where evil won permanently.
Right, and you can be a communist leader of a socialist country
Now China isn;t even pretending to be working toward the communist paradise
But China was not Marx' end state
They've embraced capitalism
Capitalism with 1984
It's an odd marriage.
Marx had no thought of China. Not in a million years. But Mao did give thought to Marx.
they've embraced slavery is what they have done.
But someone believing in a different end goal does not change the function of the state
It's important to make this distinction in an era where people are trying to sanitize "socialism"
America has embraced it too.
USSR and China were socialist states
but when you have a large chunk of the worlds population all in one place, you can afford to treat people like pests because they almost are pests to each-other at that point.
i agree
Imagine chinese coming to your country and buying houses you can't possibly afford. o:
Pure capitalism is a horrible idea as is pure socialism
Botching supply and demand.
yes
It's healthy to find elements of both where appropriate
That depends on what "capitalism" means to you
whay
But with clear liberalist principles ruling it all
I find it seems to mean whatever is convenient in the conversation at hand
Let's talk my favorite subject. Health care. Is pure capitalism a good thing for health care?
Or should we move this to debate?
Again, define "pure capitalism"
what is happening
hmm
We aren't in pure capitalism at the moment, that's for damned sure.
I'm moving a debate where it belongs
Capitalism: an economic system built around the aquisition and use of material goods, or capital, for personal gain.
This current system in america is corporatism.
Inaccurately titled crony capitalism or vampire capitalism.
Just call it corporatism.
That is capitalism in its purest form
The diffusion of responsibility through networks of plausibly deniable personal relationships to produce a structure which appears to cherish its dysfunctions, and the privileged place it holds in the law.
that ain't capitalism.
Robert Bowers hates Trump... considers him a globalist.
This is a post from hime.
Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist.
There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation.
#Qanon is here to get patriots that were against martial law in the 90's to be the ones begging for it now to drain muh swamp.
But go ahead and keep saying you are #Winning
@xorgy What a blessed age.
The shooters name is Robert Bowers
fuck off scrib
HIS NAME IS ROBERT BOWERS.
He really hates Trump
just because you're a negative nancy, doesn't mean that a lens of self pity has to be applied to everything, scrib.
@xorgy Name a single area of society that is improving aside from TECHNOLOGY.
what if i sayd Iโm ROBERT BOWERS
Scrib needs lithium in his drinking water.
The shooters is Robert Bowers... white nationalist who hates Trump. He also hates both the left and right.
Xorgy would've answered if he could.
He was conspiracy theorist person.
But since he can't, he diverts.
He believed Jews were behind all the issues.
*Jooz
if I name something people actually worked on, using effort, you'd call it technology
So he
Even though this guy hates Trump... they are still blaming Trump for this guy.
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```if I name something people actually worked on, using effort, you'd call it technology```
Yes?
which is kinda what technology is, but that doesn't mean it's _not improving your life_
Yes I'd do exactly that.
So he's a Christian Identity guy, like Timothy McVey
>several people are typing
He could have happened four years ago
```finally got a nother copy of this weird text```
moving away from political figures, is anyone here in IT or aware of the code of conduct controversy in the open source world these days?
Anyway, not getting into this again, @Scribblehatch. You're a bad-faith interlocutor and I really don't care what bullshit you try to throw at me for not wanting another repeat of our prior conversations.
Just evidence violence can come from anywhere on the political spectrum
I'll be Bach.
@killall9firefox yes
I never got an answer any of the times I asked it.
you mean the code covenant shit?
So it makes sense you'd pretend you answered it before.
@Grenade123 yes. I just chose to use and contribute to a project over another because it doesn't have a CoC
and wanted to encourage other people to do the same
we need some lists of those projects
I can't refused to use all applications that have a CoC, but if the choice is there, I will opt to not use one with a CoC
spread it around
or ncoc
My god media has once again painted Trump as the villain here... when he had nothing to do with it.
what if its fake ??? so easy to create fake news just inspect a post or tweet then screenshot it @Dusty Morgan
I even posted his facebook.
Dude..
The guy hated trump with a passion.
it can be fake tho
Xom has a point, it could be a fake as much as the media stories usually are
I mean he is on gab.
You know its him and not someone with the same name?
https://github.com/synfig/synfig/ is the project I'm using (instead of https://github.com/pencil2d/pencil)
Grab... gab shut down his profile.
maybe its true but its an easy way to create any fake news
"Why don't you care about my feelings?
We are not a support group for human emotion"
perfect, lmao
Dude... why are you so in denial that this guy was a lone nut who hated trump, hated jews, and hated United States?
@Dusty Morgan me?
He was a anti-Semitic person.
he is a lone nut job, its the hated trump and the US i question.
Yeah... you keep saying it could be fake.
im not in denial im saying it that exact thing could be fake and its easy to create fake news that way
too much political bs to believe anything politically convenient.
Its all fake news
yes
Heres how you report a shooting
sure thing
"Today there was a shooting, We feel for the victims."
Done
sure thing
Trying to see if this guy had another account on facebook or twitter.
HIAS being some pro-immigration organization I haven't heard of before
I was expecting that article to ignore that he hated trump
Most of the mainstream articles do ignore it.
They are ignoring it.
They are ignoring.
And they are ignoring it.
None of them are updating the information regarding his hatred towards trump and united states.
Am I surprised?
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