Message from @Beemann

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2018-10-27 16:55:28 UTC  

True fascism is just having an "over-state" that can swoop in during times of crisis, and override any and all authority

2018-10-27 16:55:28 UTC  

Classical liberalism, of which I am a proponent, believes that only by freeing the individual will society prosper

2018-10-27 16:55:40 UTC  

i agree

2018-10-27 16:55:52 UTC  

They also match in terms of a focus on economic control, and are ultimately necessarily imperialist as a result

2018-10-27 16:56:03 UTC  

Because a command economy in isolation is going to get fucked

2018-10-27 16:56:05 UTC  

Both fascism and communism subsume the individual

2018-10-27 16:56:16 UTC  

Both also performed mass murder on the basis of ethnic background

2018-10-27 16:56:18 UTC  

the goal of fascists is to have a self-sustaining economy, so you can isolate yourself if needed

2018-10-27 16:56:25 UTC  

Liberalism frees the individual

2018-10-27 16:56:56 UTC  

why

2018-10-27 16:56:57 UTC  

Hence I am a liberalist in the mold of Winston Churchill

2018-10-27 16:56:59 UTC  

The individual is a mechanism of the state. Completely ignoring that aspect of our identity is unhealthy.

2018-10-27 16:57:18 UTC  

The state is a tool of the individual

2018-10-27 16:58:02 UTC  

The goal of fascism is whatever the State wants. The State is *everything* in fascism. Which is why it is so easy for the one in power to abuse it because they become the State and hence absolutely powerful.

2018-10-27 16:58:08 UTC  

In a free society, the state exists as a function of public need, not the other way around

2018-10-27 16:58:11 UTC  

Hitler claimed to BE Germany

2018-10-27 16:58:31 UTC  

Socialism lead to the same conclusion though

2018-10-27 16:58:40 UTC  

An individual is not the public.

2018-10-27 16:58:41 UTC  

And when he was about to die he wanted Germany to be utterly destroyed so that it would never recover

2018-10-27 16:58:47 UTC  

If you disagreed with Stalin you got disappeared

2018-10-27 16:58:55 UTC  

The public is a number of individuals

2018-10-27 16:59:05 UTC  

whay

2018-10-27 16:59:08 UTC  

We see the same cult of personality happening in China now as Xi consolidates his power

2018-10-27 16:59:28 UTC  

The state exists to weigh the power of individuals against each bother, and the public against individuals. Avoid mob rule and negation of rights

2018-10-27 16:59:53 UTC  

As Xi "becomes" China, China completes their mutation from a possibly nascent Communist state to pure fascism.

2018-10-27 17:00:09 UTC  

China was never Communist, just Socialist

2018-10-27 17:00:40 UTC  

Mao did believe in Marx. He, like Stalin, thought extreme measures were justifiable.

2018-10-27 17:00:50 UTC  

China is where evil won permanently.

2018-10-27 17:00:54 UTC  

Right, and you can be a communist leader of a socialist country

2018-10-27 17:01:03 UTC  

Now China isn;t even pretending to be working toward the communist paradise

2018-10-27 17:01:06 UTC  

But China was not Marx' end state

2018-10-27 17:01:10 UTC  

They've embraced capitalism

2018-10-27 17:01:24 UTC  

Capitalism with 1984

2018-10-27 17:01:26 UTC  

It's an odd marriage.

2018-10-27 17:01:41 UTC  

Marx had no thought of China. Not in a million years. But Mao did give thought to Marx.

2018-10-27 17:01:45 UTC  

they've embraced slavery is what they have done.

2018-10-27 17:02:03 UTC  

But someone believing in a different end goal does not change the function of the state

2018-10-27 17:02:31 UTC  

It's important to make this distinction in an era where people are trying to sanitize "socialism"

2018-10-27 17:02:47 UTC  

America has embraced it too.

2018-10-27 17:02:47 UTC  

USSR and China were socialist states

2018-10-27 17:02:49 UTC  

but when you have a large chunk of the worlds population all in one place, you can afford to treat people like pests because they almost are pests to each-other at that point.