DrYuriMom
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Looking up at the discussion of meritocracy and feminism being incompatible is like saying apples and alternators are incompatible. They have nothing inherently to do with each other.
Then again, I suppose that depends on what you define as meritocracy and feminism
100 years ago women in the US did not universally have the right to vote
Guaranteeing that right to women as well as men was a feminist action.
@Beeman they are unless they have had their civil right revoked as part of the criminal justice system
That's an issue with the selective service laws
@JustTom, I don't argue that. But there are gradations of feminism.
Let's back up here. @JustTom, can we start by agreeing that the 19th amendment was a good thing?
@Beemann , I suspect if you were to poll women in the US you'd find a majority would be willing to ditch the selective service.
So does the 19th amendment preclude decisions being made on merit?
My point is that 100 years ago suffrage was the epitome of feminism.
Yet suffrage has nothing against merit based decision making.
@Beemann man, as a veteran myself I actually would advocate for women to be part of it.
But I'd be fine to end it, if that was the will of the people. My point is that the selective service need not be discriminatory.
It is a starting point, Tom. If we couldn't agree on the 19th Amendment there's be no point in further discussion. I think in the end we'll be pretty close to agreeing, but I wanted to make sure we at least could agree that men and women as political entities and sovereign individuals had the same innate worth.
So, next up. Do you believe that women should have equal access to the public school system? Again, it's been only in the last 100 years that this has been true consistently.
We do, Tom. I just want to make sure we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Yes, discrimination is now happening both ways, which has been quite the surprise to some people.
Oh, you mean there's a 10th Amendment, @Grenade123 ?
If you ever want to see how trucks can be driven through loopholes, just watch the traffic flying past the interstate commerce clause
So we agree women should be able to vote and attend public school. Do we agree that they should have equal access to university programs and the professions?
All these things have been flaming feminist causes within the past 100 years
I never said equal representation. I said equal access.
Personally, I think applications should be given numbers and cleansed of race and sex identifiers. Then decisions get made by committees that are blinded to that data.
There are feminists and there are feminists, sir
No surprise I'm a woman. I'm college educated and a professional with board certification and a license to practice in several states. I'm kinda attached to my achievements but they were all based on merit. My tests were the same as the boys and I rocked them.
I'm glad I had the opportunity to achieve this
So to the feminists of days past, I raise a glass
50 years ago, I would not have been able to except as a nurse in some sidelines fakeshit service
Just remember, women were derided for seeking equal rights throughout history
The bullshit women had to endure in the military is still very fresh
I spoke at a Rainbow Keynote Address for a major US university in 2011 and was derided by the students for questioning whether Stonewall brought the changes for GLBT folks in the 1970's and 80's or whether it was grassroot peaceful movements and good ol' fashioned politicking
I should say I was the keynote speaker for the GLBT graduation
I was never asked back to my alma mater after that
It's under the heading of the good Dr Franklin. "We hang together or hang separately."
I actually teach GLBT medicine, including trans health care.
@JustTom, I think the standards should be the same regardless of sex or race.
I bet you that there is a women who can meet whatever enough men can meet to fill a unit
@JustTom , I won't speak that broadly. I will just say the standards should be the same. That said, I think the standards should be appropriate for the needs of a particular duty.
Sex, gender, and gender expression are three different things
Is @Jasse having fun trolling or do you mean it
@JustTom , then you are denying the military some kick ass trauma surgeons
What do you mean by mentally ill? I know a lot of boys who have ADD and do rather well in the Army and Marine Corp.
@JustTom , so you don't believe special forces should have higher standards? What about people as they age? You mean a 45 yo bird colonel should meet the same standards as a boot ensign?
Yeah, I agree with equal based on the job a person is filling
@Beemann , what questions do you have about trans? As far as the definitions, we're trying to figure it out ourselves.
The standards should be appropriate for the job and to ensure enough recruits are found to fill the billets.
I am pretty sure whatever bar you set that you can find women who can meet the same bar unless you set it so high you won't get enough men to fill the billets.
Also, I'll be blunt, even for special forces there are things a woman can do that a man just can't. Namely, infiltrate as a woman and be able to pass inspection as one.
@JustTom - Fair enough. Special forces are a different breed. The last thing I would ever want would be for a team to fail and have losses because they weren't composed of the best sons (and daughters) of bitches this country can produce
But there are plenty of jobs in the military women rock at. Pilots. Ship captains. It's cool to see Heinlein finally borne out on those. ๐
Like I said, I'm not welcome at my alma mater anymore
@Grenade123 , so true.
It was that which actually got me discharged. Had a heart issue. Was discharged because I could no longer be certain to handle damage control if our ship got hit.
Navy believes everyone can be called upon to participate in damage control. Even a medical officer. I can't argue - that attitude won us WII.
Okay, back to trans. What would you say about a person who goes all the way - surgery to have a vagina and very female vulva. A decade later is happily playing in a big city orchestra?
What is it preventing a person from doing? What is the disability?
@Grenade123 , I've heard that, too.
I'm board certified in psychiatry. I'm listening. ๐
Exactly, @Grenade123 .
Probably 1/4 of the enlisted military has ADD.
I deal with medications. I'm not a shrink. :p
Same with sickle cell anemia. Very useful trait to have...if you get malaria.
Diabetes is life enhancing if you have long fasts
They selected for it so they could do long stretches without food as they went from island to island
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