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Looking up at the discussion of meritocracy and feminism being incompatible is like saying apples and alternators are incompatible. They have nothing inherently to do with each other.
Then again, I suppose that depends on what you define as meritocracy and feminism
100 years ago women in the US did not universally have the right to vote
Guaranteeing that right to women as well as men was a feminist action.
@Beeman they are unless they have had their civil right revoked as part of the criminal justice system
That's an issue with the selective service laws
@JustTom, I don't argue that. But there are gradations of feminism.
Let's back up here. @JustTom, can we start by agreeing that the 19th amendment was a good thing?
@Beemann , I suspect if you were to poll women in the US you'd find a majority would be willing to ditch the selective service.
So does the 19th amendment preclude decisions being made on merit?
My point is that 100 years ago suffrage was the epitome of feminism.
Yet suffrage has nothing against merit based decision making.
@Beemann man, as a veteran myself I actually would advocate for women to be part of it.
But I'd be fine to end it, if that was the will of the people. My point is that the selective service need not be discriminatory.
It is a starting point, Tom. If we couldn't agree on the 19th Amendment there's be no point in further discussion. I think in the end we'll be pretty close to agreeing, but I wanted to make sure we at least could agree that men and women as political entities and sovereign individuals had the same innate worth.
So, next up. Do you believe that women should have equal access to the public school system? Again, it's been only in the last 100 years that this has been true consistently.
We do, Tom. I just want to make sure we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Yes, discrimination is now happening both ways, which has been quite the surprise to some people.
Oh, you mean there's a 10th Amendment, @Grenade123 ?
If you ever want to see how trucks can be driven through loopholes, just watch the traffic flying past the interstate commerce clause
So we agree women should be able to vote and attend public school. Do we agree that they should have equal access to university programs and the professions?
All these things have been flaming feminist causes within the past 100 years
I never said equal representation. I said equal access.
Personally, I think applications should be given numbers and cleansed of race and sex identifiers. Then decisions get made by committees that are blinded to that data.
There are feminists and there are feminists, sir
No surprise I'm a woman. I'm college educated and a professional with board certification and a license to practice in several states. I'm kinda attached to my achievements but they were all based on merit. My tests were the same as the boys and I rocked them.
I'm glad I had the opportunity to achieve this
So to the feminists of days past, I raise a glass
50 years ago, I would not have been able to except as a nurse in some sidelines fakeshit service
Just remember, women were derided for seeking equal rights throughout history
The bullshit women had to endure in the military is still very fresh
I spoke at a Rainbow Keynote Address for a major US university in 2011 and was derided by the students for questioning whether Stonewall brought the changes for GLBT folks in the 1970's and 80's or whether it was grassroot peaceful movements and good ol' fashioned politicking
I should say I was the keynote speaker for the GLBT graduation
I was never asked back to my alma mater after that
It's under the heading of the good Dr Franklin. "We hang together or hang separately."
I actually teach GLBT medicine, including trans health care.
@JustTom, I think the standards should be the same regardless of sex or race.
I bet you that there is a women who can meet whatever enough men can meet to fill a unit
@JustTom , I won't speak that broadly. I will just say the standards should be the same. That said, I think the standards should be appropriate for the needs of a particular duty.
Sex, gender, and gender expression are three different things
Is @Jasse having fun trolling or do you mean it
@JustTom , then you are denying the military some kick ass trauma surgeons
What do you mean by mentally ill? I know a lot of boys who have ADD and do rather well in the Army and Marine Corp.
@JustTom , so you don't believe special forces should have higher standards? What about people as they age? You mean a 45 yo bird colonel should meet the same standards as a boot ensign?
Yeah, I agree with equal based on the job a person is filling
@Beemann , what questions do you have about trans? As far as the definitions, we're trying to figure it out ourselves.
The standards should be appropriate for the job and to ensure enough recruits are found to fill the billets.
I am pretty sure whatever bar you set that you can find women who can meet the same bar unless you set it so high you won't get enough men to fill the billets.
Also, I'll be blunt, even for special forces there are things a woman can do that a man just can't. Namely, infiltrate as a woman and be able to pass inspection as one.
@JustTom - Fair enough. Special forces are a different breed. The last thing I would ever want would be for a team to fail and have losses because they weren't composed of the best sons (and daughters) of bitches this country can produce
But there are plenty of jobs in the military women rock at. Pilots. Ship captains. It's cool to see Heinlein finally borne out on those. 😃
Like I said, I'm not welcome at my alma mater anymore
It was that which actually got me discharged. Had a heart issue. Was discharged because I could no longer be certain to handle damage control if our ship got hit.
Navy believes everyone can be called upon to participate in damage control. Even a medical officer. I can't argue - that attitude won us WII.
Okay, back to trans. What would you say about a person who goes all the way - surgery to have a vagina and very female vulva. A decade later is happily playing in a big city orchestra?
What is it preventing a person from doing? What is the disability?
I'm board certified in psychiatry. I'm listening. 😃
Probably 1/4 of the enlisted military has ADD.
I deal with medications. I'm not a shrink. :p
Same with sickle cell anemia. Very useful trait to have...if you get malaria.
Diabetes is life enhancing if you have long fasts
They selected for it so they could do long stretches without food as they went from island to island
@Malt_Hitman , actually nowadays they should take insulin
Well we now are seeing male hemophiliacs have progeny for the first time in Earth history. Why? Because modern medicine!
I predict within another 200 years human beings will be entirely birthed with C-sections. Why? Modern Medicine! Women who died in childbirth now have kids and pass genes on that are not conducive to vaginal births.
I'm damn glad of that or I wouldn't have kids and my wife might be dead.
@Malt_Hitman , that's a political and not a medical question
Mmmm, brains. (hey, it's almost Halloween :p )
@Malt_Hitman , what get brought up? Why should live and who should die?
Most hospitals are non-profit and exist to serve everyone
I won't work for a for-profit. My profession is my vocation.
That said, insurance companies tinker with it. But ultimately that's a political debate. We're having it right now. It's called pre-existing conditions.
@Grenade123 , as is often the case, this is a very selective presentation. Still watching.
In can tell you that non-profit hospitals are suffering
Medicaid pays about 75% of the cost (not charges) it takes to treat patients
Commercial insurance about 120% but that has to offset the other moneylosers
My particular health system made a 0.7% margin two years ago
@Jasse, you lost me at the "American College of Pediatricians". An organization of about 500 members compared to the American Academy of Pediatrics with about 64,000 members
We're not talking popularity, we're talking professional associations and their collective wisdom
The ACP pretty much only addresses issues related to GLBT and abortion. The APP addresses everything pediatrics, which makes sense since they are the professional home of just about every pediatrician out there.
@Jasse, I think it speaks to the intensity with which such people experience whatever they are experiencing
If someone spends $100,000 of their own money and perseveres through humiliation and hardship, can't you give them some credit for the validity of their experience?
If it's not hurting anyone, @Jasse , why not?
@Malt_Hitman , I see it as an issue of liberty
How does trans "hurt the health of the nation"? I'm not speaking of individuals, I'm speaking of the entire class.
@Jasse, no one is castrating children. At least not in the US. Surgery is not an option until the age of consent.
@GingaBomber , or there's sperm or egg feezing
@Jasse, puberty blockers are temporary. Just stop the drugs and BOOM, puberty happens
@JustTom , I respect your perspective, sir. thank you.
I am vociferous against anything permanent being done with kids under 16yo, and no surgery until age of consent.
But delaying puberty to permit the kid to make their own decision as they get older? Why not? Isn't that liberty?
What is wrong about giving kids the opportunity to make their own choice when they get old enough to consent?
Go back a few hundred years and puberty between 14-16yo was not unusual
It's only due to the modern high-protein diet that we have puberty so early
We use drugs to delay puberty - it's called precious puberty
Now I will back up and say I'm not sure how to feel about the recent "trendiness" or trans
That said, trans has been around for a very long time. Dr Benjamin wrote about it in the 1930's.
I would *never* propose that be done for every child
Iran? You do know they forcibly transition gay men, right?
The trans people I relate to just want to transition and disappear
@Undead Mockingbird , there's so much troll there I can't see the bridge
Here's a question, @Jasse. If no one is harmed by a mental illness, why should we care?
@FunnyStarRunner , I'll defend someone else's liberty, but I certainly don't want to live like women in Saudi Arabia.
That said, I must say I have envied my Muslim colleagues their hijab on bad hair days...
Roman Catholic priests are child abusers by huge margins. Should we disband the Roman Catholic Church?
Then again, that might not be a good analogy to use...
Well adjusted and my son especially is crazy smart
He's already taking higher calculus than I ever did in all my years of school
@Jasse so even if you force "gays" to be straight then the problem would still be there...assuming I accept those numbers which I do not
Because these numbers practically establish that gay is genetic. Thanks for making a key point for me.
I can assert that my wife and I have never molested a child, never had AIDS, and the only case of STD I ever got was my one hetero relationship in high school 😦
I'm 47 years old and my face has more wrinkles than Jasse's virgin rear end
@ryuplaneswalker , If we're counting politician shooting victims, we need to include Rep Giffords then so the score is even.
We could include Pres Reagan but then we have to include Pres Kennedy.
So bottom line, it's even and i hope we add no more tick marks to the list
Yes, but it was part of the same destructive politics
There were plenty of headlines about Scalise, too
I think there was plenty of press about the anthrax about 15 years ago
But for now we wait for the professionals to investigate
@barcotics , actually the worst offense of that NYT short story is that it had no imagination. It sounds like a remake of a Harrison Ford flick from 20 years ago.
This is perhaps the exact flip side of the GOP baseball shooting last year. A lone actor inflamed by rhetoric. This is nothing to get political points for. It's time for partisans on both sides to figure out how to keep from getting so personal.
I wish the charcaturing of fellow Americans would stop.
The left charcature fundamentalists christians and Appalachia
I'm 47 years old so I very well remember life before ubiquitous internet
I remember watching Tianenmen Square happen in near real time from reports at the source.
I honestly thought the internet would bring us all together since we'd all have access to the same information and could all talk it out in one big forum.
But instead of people taking all this information and forming similar conclusions. People instead took thier conclusions and formed similar information.
I'm still feeling gobsmacked at how it happened this way
I think what keeps that happening is the fact the US is so evenly split down the middle that no one can agree on what speech to discourage
I think we're seeing in the US just how successful that would be
The president of the United States is essentially wearing the badge racist as an honor...and therefore essentially denying such a thing exists anymore
Whether you agree it does or not is another matter, but that he is killing the term is pretty evident
So the right or the left? Which agenda is being advantaged in your hypothesis?
But that doesn't answer what the point would be of such cleaning then
I think it highly likely to be as you say, @Beemann , but China is a cautionary tale of what can happen if one party gets absolute power. The Great Firewall.
And they did what was considered impossible. They actually put the internet to harness.
We saw that with the Giffords shooter and the Scalise shooter
I actually think the best thing for markets is split control
I think the chaos of late is in part because the Red Wall might be stronger than the Blue Wave
Dems in control of just the House won't lead to impeachment
Why does it have to be reactionaries and "regressives" who win? What about the middle?
I care. Isn't this whole place about people on the middle who care?
Why does the left have to be so bitter? Why dies the right have to have those not like them? Why can't we look at issues and address them as issues and not as strawmen for tribal ideologies?
So no one cares about issues anymore? It's all about power, not governing?
Since when is a random Twitter user a reputatable source?
This is no more the broader Republican Party fault than Scalise was the Dems fault. The fault is our tribalism and need to win and therefore our dehumanizing the opponent.
@Bookworm , I don't think I named anyone. Do you disagree that polarized people on both sides are dehumanizing the opponent?
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