Message from @Grenade123

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2018-10-27 16:58:11 UTC  

Hitler claimed to BE Germany

2018-10-27 16:58:31 UTC  

Socialism lead to the same conclusion though

2018-10-27 16:58:40 UTC  

An individual is not the public.

2018-10-27 16:58:41 UTC  

And when he was about to die he wanted Germany to be utterly destroyed so that it would never recover

2018-10-27 16:58:47 UTC  

If you disagreed with Stalin you got disappeared

2018-10-27 16:58:55 UTC  

The public is a number of individuals

2018-10-27 16:59:05 UTC  

whay

2018-10-27 16:59:08 UTC  

We see the same cult of personality happening in China now as Xi consolidates his power

2018-10-27 16:59:28 UTC  

The state exists to weigh the power of individuals against each bother, and the public against individuals. Avoid mob rule and negation of rights

2018-10-27 16:59:53 UTC  

As Xi "becomes" China, China completes their mutation from a possibly nascent Communist state to pure fascism.

2018-10-27 17:00:09 UTC  

China was never Communist, just Socialist

2018-10-27 17:00:40 UTC  

Mao did believe in Marx. He, like Stalin, thought extreme measures were justifiable.

2018-10-27 17:00:50 UTC  

China is where evil won permanently.

2018-10-27 17:00:54 UTC  

Right, and you can be a communist leader of a socialist country

2018-10-27 17:01:03 UTC  

Now China isn;t even pretending to be working toward the communist paradise

2018-10-27 17:01:06 UTC  

But China was not Marx' end state

2018-10-27 17:01:10 UTC  

They've embraced capitalism

2018-10-27 17:01:24 UTC  

Capitalism with 1984

2018-10-27 17:01:26 UTC  

It's an odd marriage.

2018-10-27 17:01:41 UTC  

Marx had no thought of China. Not in a million years. But Mao did give thought to Marx.

2018-10-27 17:01:45 UTC  

they've embraced slavery is what they have done.

2018-10-27 17:02:03 UTC  

But someone believing in a different end goal does not change the function of the state

2018-10-27 17:02:31 UTC  

It's important to make this distinction in an era where people are trying to sanitize "socialism"

2018-10-27 17:02:47 UTC  

America has embraced it too.

2018-10-27 17:02:47 UTC  

USSR and China were socialist states

2018-10-27 17:02:49 UTC  

but when you have a large chunk of the worlds population all in one place, you can afford to treat people like pests because they almost are pests to each-other at that point.

2018-10-27 17:03:02 UTC  

i agree

2018-10-27 17:03:03 UTC  

Imagine chinese coming to your country and buying houses you can't possibly afford. o:

2018-10-27 17:03:07 UTC  

Pure capitalism is a horrible idea as is pure socialism

2018-10-27 17:03:08 UTC  

Botching supply and demand.

2018-10-27 17:03:12 UTC  

yes

2018-10-27 17:03:18 UTC  

It's healthy to find elements of both where appropriate

2018-10-27 17:03:25 UTC  

That depends on what "capitalism" means to you

2018-10-27 17:03:31 UTC  

whay

2018-10-27 17:03:32 UTC  

But with clear liberalist principles ruling it all

2018-10-27 17:03:41 UTC  

I find it seems to mean whatever is convenient in the conversation at hand

2018-10-27 17:04:12 UTC  

Let's talk my favorite subject. Health care. Is pure capitalism a good thing for health care?

2018-10-27 17:04:21 UTC  

Or should we move this to debate?

2018-10-27 17:04:25 UTC  

Again, define "pure capitalism"

2018-10-27 17:04:40 UTC  

what is happening

2018-10-27 17:04:45 UTC  

hmm