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The main demonstration will involve setting up a podium in front of the General Lee statue for the speakers and then forming a white bloc barrier or square around the entire statue + podium. The larger, outer formation will be progressively cuckier as it moves out meaning the the inner group and square around the VIPs should consist of all alt-right activists. @everyone
And given that they know we're coming, we'll all need as many people as possible to be there right when the park opens.
When does Lee Park open?
Everyone in the inner circle must also be explicitly aware that antifa/surj will try to get through. At the last event [REDACTED] walked right up to the circle and our guys like cleared a path for him. I walked over to make sure he wasn't going to do anything funny. Our guys need to be ready to hold position and make it so that we are a solid barrier to stop antifa from coming through.
The carolina guys have been talking about getting shields...haha
So that may be possible
I already have one. Completely game
TWP has shields
Both TWP symbols and celtic crosses
Anyone have stencils? Thinking of getting that shield and would want to put something on it and would use then when I arrive. If not ill figure it out beforehand.
Shield wall sounds delightful
Did you guys build these shields you have or purchase them?
@MatthewHeimbach Those new shields my cohost sent you should come in handy again....
If we are planning on doing a shield wall I suggest learning how to actually fight in a shield wall. Watch some SCA videos on the subject.
Start with these. Go through all three parts. They have incredibly good tips that you won't get from studying riot shield tactics
I will construct a Huwite power shield
Make sure you find time to practice what you learn before the event. Our local group will be doing lots of training before Charlottesville.
Vanguard Texas and Louisiana have shields with our logo painted on
Check out the Demonstration_tactics tag. There have been a discussion about shields there.
@Albrecht von Wallenstein the gym I go to has a week of free membership with no conditions. It also has a boxing area with punching bag being set up. If any of you atl guys are interested in that I could easily meet there
@MatthewHeimbach what are your shields made out off? Vanguard makes our Shields out of Baltic birch... I've thrown a hatchet at mine pretty durable stuff
I know I'm not the only one thinking we need a large, synchonized dance routine.
^^ something the women SHOULD coordinate
@Andrew-- Have you met with any of our people in Atlanta?
@Scott Terry I have an embarrassing level of fondness for synchronized dance routines 😂
we need 4 lines of people just smoking blunts
Pot is for nogs
@everyone We need to do a march along with the rally. Should we do it on the Downtown Mall (which is closed to traffic) or should we march through the streets the way they did in Berkeley?
Blocking streets gives PD a reason to (((Shut it down!)))
If you march on the streets, get a permit first
I think the downtown mall would be better because that is where a lot of the mob incidences have been happening
The mall. The photos will be better if they have landmarks in the background.
It will get very expensive very fast if we start asking to close down streets in advance. We'd have to pay off duty police officers
@Dreiiaa (TWPVA) There's no doubt we should march through the Downtown Mall. My only wonder is whether we should keep it contained there
The downtown mall is public and the police wouldn't be able to remove us without violating our First Amendment rights
Decision: For now we will not plan to march through the street and block traffic. But if Antifa does we should be able to confront them about it
Is there any way the march through streets or mall can be an unofficial thing?
Like, oh the rally is over now everyone enjoy the mall and the bars
We marched last time with no permits in 2 rows down the sidewalk with runners in safety vests stopping traffic long enough for us to cross.
Let's not street march and look like assholes. Sidewalks is one thing, but straight through the streets like they did a few weeks ago for the 'community defense' March was awful (Antifa)
These fools had babies and children in the streets dragging banners over cars blocking their view and such. Too bad the civilians didn't just make new speed bumps for some of these scum.
They really do have a disgusting culture
Yeah. What is with the black and white Aesthetics?
Larping as being members of the old Civil Rights Era.
Women are you trying to dictate tactics again?
There are women here?
lol. never know where to invite my grrl.
The Downtown Mall march will be unannounced to the public but we'll coordinate it among the leadership and let folks know prior to the event
Pink names = women
yeah i invited my gf and hopefully she does not have to work this day, requested it off and they asked why so she actually told them ... hopefully goes over ok.
i dont think bringing your 3d's to this is a good idea
IE will have a 3D squad.
if we're anticipating violence, id keep the woman you love away
^^ why would you bring women to an event where there will be known hostilities...?
1. We don't actually expect violence. That's just larping. Antifa only instigates when they have a massive numerical advantage, which they will not, here.
2. The womenfolk have their own cordon, far behind the men. They will be fine.
I think that Vanguard and the DRW have a similar view on 3Ds at inflammatory events
Bringing women to a protest/rally where we expect violence is fucking retarded.
Keep them in the rear.
How can you not expect violence when this was a major loss to them before and they have more time to plan now. They've been proven to be violent at large events
Also, even if you aren't expecting violence, you should prepare for it. Underestimating Antifa's will to escalate is retarded as well.
I'm trying to figure out how expecting violence is larping?
Is everything larping these days?
@Heinz - MI That's what I was saying. They will be the rear, as I understand.
Maybe I am mistaken.
In which case, someone else is tactically mistaken.
You realize the violence can happen anywhere around the event?
Like a parking lot or something before and after the event
Obviously. Travel in groups, always.
After is probably the most dangerous time.
Okay so this is still an unnecessary risk
If we are bringing women, they should be kept within a perimeter.
Unnecessary? It's a cost-benefit analysis.
It better be true, for their sake.
We need a map of the location we will be at. If this is just a standard rally where we will be in one place, we can easily set a perimeter.
Beyond that, we need to figure out parking details.
It's a march. Need a bubble to shield them.
If need be, we can organize a shuttle system for people that park far away.
We will have to. I'm sure we will exceed standard parking.
Also, we will need detailed and planned routes from where we park, to wherever we are going that EVERYONE follows.
And showing up early
Last time at CVille 1.0 a lot of people left in small 4-5 person groups. It wasn't a big deal then, but there will be a much stronger antifa presence at this one.
We all need to leave at the same time, and going to the same place.
Our group was huge, and we adopted a group of two to take to their vehicle.
That's why I think a shuttle system would be good. Where we have several people responsible for large vans that park nearby the event that can shuttle others to parking lots farther away.
That is a great idea.
If we know the locations of where we will be marching, lets get them up now.
AFAIK this server is private, so unless we plan on bringing a bunch of randos in we can do it here.
Those several people can be the medics. Anyone injured can go to the van as well.
No. This server is absolutely not private.
We need to get this set in stone far enough in advance that we can all remember it, at least the group leaders. If something happens where we get compromised, we can have enough time to chnage plans without having to panic.
Wait this is a public server?
Call some friends in your groups.
This is public.
Yes, it's a public server.
was there an announcement or something?
Which is why I am expecting violence
This is everyone's ball game.
Most of the severe planning should be held within your group, if you're in one
But I agree we need vans for everyone
Designated shuttle vehicles of some kind at least
most of the sever planning should have fucking been in here
since we had a secure discord server for it already
@пидорновичок unless Jason or Eli made this server public without telling me (which I doubt they would do) this isn't a public server. It's invite only through our trusted, pre-vetted alt-right servers. Not sure who told you it's public. We haven't even opened up this server to proud boys or the alt-lite because the other mods, event coordinators, and myself are all aware they act like kikes.
Parking is a nightmare where this is occurring, I'm sure some of you know that. We do have several companies locally who rent out smaller sized busses etc, commonly for vineyard tours. A lot of people also rent busses from UVA to shuttle for special events or even the Charlottesville Trolley, which would make for some interesting optics. Renting a fleet of passenger vans from somewhere close by is another option. I will be attending with my husband in separate vehicles. I planned to be able to leave and help handle getting woman moved out if it got too bad. Utilizing a public school's parking lot nearby may be the largest free parking option for the masses.
With the date being public, you can bet the left will be out scouting for our vehicles. Are there any secured lots nearby?
@TiborSzalasi-MI there are places about 1 mil away to park if you dont mind the walk
We'll have to coordinate this, it is a big safety issue.
Walking a mile in small groups is literally an invitation to be fucked up
Should really take the idea of a shuttle seriously
There are only 2 garages in the area.
UHaul cargo van would be cheap and could hold a good number of folks, it's not like we will be traveling far.
This shows the dimensions better.
There are two garages downtown. They're both fairly crammed on a regular basis. Even on a random day of the week it can take awhile to drive around and find somewhere to park on the street. Add this size event and I can only imagine the crowds. I'm thinking that you may want to look in to the possibility of an airbnb apartment in the immediate area, there are some apartments right by the park. Possibility an immediate safe house/escape place for anyone higher profile who is not interested in being involved in any foolishness. One with a birds eye view of the park for security purposes would be optimal. I'm thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea to close down the streets surrounding the park itself. @MadDimension have you looked in to that at all? the street on the library side at the least? Other than that having a dedicated crew of people to occupy the on street spots with vehicles surrounding the park would be ideal.
@PrimitveXaocWhat are your credentials for planning ingress/egress?l
We should designate someone to plan logistics in this regard. Parking, movement to and from the ao
In this situation, my credentials happen to be the fact that I've lived here my entire life. How well do you know he area? Also, I was mostly speaking to Jason. Excuse me for offering suggestions.
So are there any large parking lots close to the area that we can use that won't be full? Either a secured lot, or somewhere that has cameras? Like next to a bank?
We should lock down an area where we can all park at that is close by, and a spot to act as a rally point for shuttles. We can't have people walking by themselves to their cars or hotels, and Uber is going to be unreliable.
Garages could be good, but we need to check the clearances on them, as rental vans are quite tall. Is that something you could do @PrimitveXaoc since you live in the area?
Alternatively, if parking is going to be an issue like you say, we could have every group that is bringing passenger vans park at the lots and garages that are nearby and shuttle everyone that attends to lots further away.
There are only 3 public garages/lots that show up on google
we likely wont fit in the garages
there's street parking off in the neighborhood
but thats dicey as well
The lot we were in last time was close, and it had cameras watching it. We could park there, but it won't fit everybody.
Either way I think the thing to stress here is that we CANNOT do what we did last time and just leave in groups of 3 or 4. We need to travel as one large group.
So, in August the Farmer's market downtown is in full swing. That takes up one of the larger secure lots behind the mall beside the larger of the parking garages. For secure close parking I would suggest using the Omni hotel parking garage (private) which is right beside where you all parked last time.(from what I saw from the videos posted) From where I saw you walking in the videos. That one is at least gated and has open areas that do not require clearance. It is also the lesser used of all of the lots.
Well, I'd suggest looking in to that as an option.
Why don't we park on campus?
School isn't in session and public school campuses are public access
Shuttle from there
Plus it will piss people off?
This is where we parked last time.
At least that's where my group parked.
Is this the lot you are saying will be closed?
I suggested that earlier as well, there are a few schools in the are none is truly close walking proximity but shuttling, yes.
The Omni lot literally connects to that one. Just happens to be more secure, they have security watching the lot cameras etc.
For egress, we start marching away all together and the shuttles will gradually pick up people from the front
Is Omni parking available for the public, or do you need to be a guest? If it is covered, what is the clearance on the ceiling?
That is not the lot that will be closed. It is one that fills up faster during the summer time. It really depends on if the locals are going to try to avoid the area like the plague that day.
Or how many people will be in town for this event. We don't see a lot of things like this here locally and I imagine it will draw some sizable crowds from all sides.
Part of me wishes we would crowd fund busses and leave from 5 miles away and roll up right next to the park like the New England Patriots.
^^^ there you go 😂
PARKING: People are either going to need to pay a few shekels to park in the Parking Garage about ($10 for the day) or we can shuttle them in from a nearby location like Darden-Towe Park
When 6-10 bus loads pull up and unload everyone it would send a message
Omni has open and closed lots and also will allow for busses to be parked there as well, you are not required to be a guest.
We can probably shuttle people in, but the shuttles will need to be parked closeby. Omni should work if that's the case.
@everyone It's absolutely critical that you not mill about in small groups, you'll get overtaken
every possible effort should be made to link up as soon as possible, shuttling is probably the best bet
@MadDimension Darden towe may possibly be packed that day I can check on the park schedules. Soccer games and other sports there. I was thinking Omni for Private or Clark School for public parking.
Also, Monticello high school has sizable lots and is about a 5 min drive (straight shot) from the downtown mall and outside city limits.
What about the McDonald's and Staples parking lots?
The Parking Garage at Carver Rec is open to the public as well
They have both started to crack down on parking.
I was just going to mention Carver. It ultimately all depends on if there are any other events.
We need to make a list of solid parking locations. Carver should be #1. What else?
Should be okay early on a Saturday
There are the water street and market street garages
those are the closest
Water street lot between the metered lot and garage is closed down for the farmers market on Saturday's people start crowding that area heavily at 7am or earlier.
good to know
Look for somewhere 10 minutes outside of town that people could park cars at
Downtown parking should be for all the vans we can muster primarily, secondarily for POVs
There are a number of garages at the uni
I've never crowd funded anything. Is there a fee to just opening a request?
There are lots of people who like what we are doing that aren't going. What if we just started wesearcher requests. Some could be for crazy stuff (like a helicopter for Antifa rides). It would be funny and some of them might actually get funded. That would make planning much easier.
@Tyrone Not just to open, but WeSearcher takes something like 15% off the top.
I feel like garages would be unsafe if we have a pack of ferals following us. Or just generally unsafe since the entirety of Charlottesville will know about our presence this time. Idk. I made a point to find street parking about 10-15 minutes walking distance from where we were demonstrating last time.
The Carver parking garage is a 5 minute walk from the event and should be safe
So how much does it cost to rent a helicopter for the day?
Add 15% plus the initial fees
If we hit that it would be fun News to put out into the tubes
Plus its free. Market Street and Water Street garages are an option as well for those willing to play for parking
For parking outside of town I would definitely suggest Monticello high school. (For shuttling)
"Fascist Alt-Right rally is renting a Helicopter with extra fuel for one day Rally"
All implicit. 100% message achieved.
@Erika last time was a flash mob style event with almost no leftist presence
This will be more similar to Berkeley in size"scope
Since its summer all the shit heel leftists possible will be bussing in
DC, Baltimore, Philly, Pittsburgh
Do we have access to a bus or other high occupancy vehicle to shuttle our people in with?
Someone who is local could look for bus rentals, maybe the company that does the schoolbusses
@everyone We need access to busses, vans and other high occupancy vehicles to shuttle in our people from parking lots. Please contact me ASAP if you have access to such a vehicle.
I mentioned before it wouldn't be a bad idea to check with UVA about renting busses for shuttling. They do private events and this one is before school is back in session.
Could you or someone else who is local check with them?
I'm NOT counter signaling. I respect that attire has been set.
If everyone spent 25 bucks or less and showed up in UVA hats and shirts, it would be really funny
that's actually a good idea, but for plainclothes spotters set up a block or so away in each direction with radios to the security team
have them look like normie locals
That's in the realm of things for the security team. Glad you like the concept.
We could discuss this there but the channel appears to have been shoahed
using uva's shuttle system is a good thought, I didn't know they did private events but every time I've ever been to sports shit at john paul jones arena they're always really efficient on transporting a huge number of people to a from their parking lots. I wonder who to contact about that
Yes I was
@MadDimension let me know if you'd like me to check on any of these options.
Renting a bus is going to be hella expensive. We'd do better directing people to public transportation or finding someone on our side who owns one
Posted it in another channel.
I want people to be able to get to the event as quickly and worry-free as possible. If they're delayed by parking logistics they might have to walk through a wall of protestors to get to the event
@Goldstein Riots How would that work? Pile people into the back of a moving truck like Mexicans crossing the border?
Either start crowdfunding for renting a bus from UVA or crowdfunding for renting Uhaul vans
City trolley also does private stuff/ a day of passenger vans from enterprise/ etc. it really depends on how many people you're efficiently trying to move. A few phone calls and o could get an idea of pricing.
but shuttling really is our only option here
Public Transpo would be an issue, especially if antifa is thinking the same thing
Have a guess on the number of people? I'll get all of the options together and prepare a comparison. I *think* the city and county also do busses for rent as well. I'll look in to every possibility first thing next week.
I don't really know. Just see what pricing options they have
@MadDimension pretty much. We wouldn't be traveling far after all. And the vans are basically passenger vans without seats.
Here is a general mockup of what the general security plan should be. Our perimeter should be the entire park. The blue lines on the North and South sidewalks should be our guys in a tight line. Green should be Alt-Lite cucks loosely spaced. After that, we have a tight perimeter of the hard core of the alt-right in a shield wall around the statue, surrounding the VIPs. Plain clothes spotters should be on the street corners with radios or cell phones, looking for any antifa funny business.
Having a hard line out in the very front with loosely spaced guys behind them will allow for a quick response to wherever we need it. If they get pushed back, they won't get through the guys around the statue.
We're gonna fill that entire park
Just take your Super Male Vitality that morning, you'll be fine.
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