If homosexuality is infact a genetic trait, like IQ then should we start opening our arms to all the low IQ's and wrap them in a blanket or do we have to draw a line.

There's clearly many factors involved

To be honest, we should take care of our own low IQ people to an extent

yes

It stems from a loss of manhood in our society, as well as a continued hypersexualization in our society that drives people to.creepier and creepier desires

I was just going to rephrase that.

Lack of a father figure growing up is an important factor IMO

Yes, our own we should put to a higher status. I think that is self evident in our involvment with this group.

Genetics are not enough to explain homosexuality. Realistically it would have been breed out or be very rare similar to other genetic defects.

no, it wouldn't necessarily have to have been bred out

let me find my post from earlier

^

@MrDefault agreed

There’s plenty of low IQ white trash people who live in trailers but they are our people . Anyways no I’m not suggesting that we need to open our arms to minorities and illegals and refugees and other races. But I agree with Jakob that we have bigger fish to fry than getting all flustered and obsessed with gay issues

Gay men are often obsessed with trying to please other men, because their father was distant, absent, abusive, etc growing up.

Agreed.

@wolfwood agreed

@Grayson I am not trying to get into nonsense.

@MrDefault Being gay wouldn't have to bred out, because there isn't necessarily a "gay gene" in the direct sense

There could be a gene that causes homosexuality in certain circumstances

there are much larger issues but this is something that we will have to deal with

@Jacob 🤔 got any actual studies for this?

It causes more effeminity. Not necessarily "gay" gene

I think homosexuality is a major issue tbh. Personally, it seems from a moral perspective, but we can't exactly save our demographics if we permit lifestyles that don't create children

No, not as far as I know. It's just a potential explanation for why it *could* be genetic, not something that has been proven @MrDefault

@Nico The Great - CA agreed

@PatrickAZ Dude again you can’t generalize like that. I know very manly masculine football players and hockey players who are gay and you would never ever guess in a million years that they are.

That's why I was careful not to say that it's necessarily true

If you are able to take a pounding you are effeminate. the act of desiring a phallus is feminine.

I wonder if there is a correlation between homosexual leanings vs. divorced/single parents

The drastic drop in birth rate among white people is not due to homosexuality. It’s due to the feminists and straight couples who choose not to have kids

They could be outwardly "masculine" but when you get down to the nitty gritty they are desiring the phallus.

@Grayson agreed.

@Jacob Dopamine receptors are very fragile and can be rewired given the right stimuli. If positive association is given to being gay or gay traits added dopamine release you can wire the brain.

There is also the increased use of plastics for food items starting mid 20th century, chemical exposure?

Yes but the problem is that accepting ANY behavior not conducive to families always leads to the acceptance of others. The slippery slope is real

@PatrickAZ Lol Sorry but one is taking the pounding and one is doing the pounding and they’re both gay LOL

@Grayson both are desiring the phallus.

@wolfwood Gay frogs is unironically true

@MrDefault I'm sure what you're saying is true. After all, every trait is a combination of genetics *and* environment.

and I said if you are able.

I think one thing we need to acknowledge is that increasing birth rates isn't an inherent good. There's some people who are better off not breeding.

@Jacob my original point being was if it was purely genetic we wouldn’t have the rate of homosexuality we currently have.

lol fair

@MrDefault sure, of course it isn't purely genetic, I don't any trait is

A big issue is that you can't always have these rigid definitions of human sexuality - putting them into formidable identities. That's not how human nature works

oy vey.

"Dopamine receptors are very fragile and can be rewired given the right stimuli. If positive association is given to being gay or gay traits added dopamine release you can wire the brain."

^ This would appear true based on the studies and presentations of one particular doctor that presented findings to the US senate. I forget her name but she had research showing how formerly straight men "became" gay after being meth addicts. The long and short of it was that they did gay stuff for meth > brains became rewired to associate gay stuff with meth high.

@@Jason - CT I don't think so. Nature has made men and women compatible. Anything outside of this is unnatural

How will gays ever recover

@Nico The Great - CA this guy

@Grayson true birth rates are due to that

I used to think being gay was 100% something determined before/during birth, but I do not think so anymore based on what gays have told me and what I've read since.

@PatrickAZ Sorry bro ha ha, but I have to lay down the law

that's what I am saying too.

Reward unnatural behavior, get unnatural behavior

Every single homosexual I have met that I've had the opportunity to speak with frankly has admitted to being the victim of sexual abuse

That's why any public policy should reward starting natural, healthy family structures

and to think that this entire big brained discussion is due to some shitpost I made about the 6th Political Theory

lol

Plus, I would add: I have some in-laws. Super religious family. 2 boys. 1 of them is retarded (mind of a 9yr)....both of them are gay.

I'll put it this way, none of the people in that family will be alone with any of my children.

@greg_p - TX Interestingly, I have a friend who was abused as a child along with her sisters and even she admitted to me that homosexuality is often caused by abuse. And her and all her sisters seem straight to me.

That's not meant to be an argument against what you were saying, I just find it interesting that she was able to admit that to me

The retarded one offered to change my son's diaper. I politely declined. He then told me how much he loved changing diapers at church. My blood was boiling at how disgusting that family is,but what are you going to say without causing massive family issues? All I could do was reaffirm that my wife understood these people will never be around our children without us being present

Homosexuality is an encouraged deviated sexual behavior.

Obviously most people who are abused do not become homosexuals, but almost all homosexuals have been abused from what I can tell

Whether learned encouraged or from abuse the truth is your sexual behavior is a choice. The more you feed into something the stronger it gets

This is a distasteful topic we probably shouldn't dwell on...we aren't going to solve the issue of homosexuality here haha.

Long and short of it, we need people able to do studies and find more out about it without being hindered by political correctness. Then we can actually get somewhere. I fear that we will never really know until this is done.

The I'm born that way argument was always shit to me. I've got plenty of natural tendacies that I've mastered. Sexuality is no different

the Human genetics department at the university of utah has done studies and concluded that a very high percentage of identical homozigotes twins are either both straight or both gay ... even when separated at birth and raised in differnt households..

That is interesting

why tf would someone "love changing diapers"?

YEAH

There's no absolute need to dwell on it at the moment though.

I mean... I guess I'd change one if I had to, but I'm not gonna be all "yipee!" about it

@bspon002 Love this guy, BASED

Men shouldn't change anyone but their own biological children's diapers.

@greg_p - TX even then the baby poop smell makes me gag

@Nico The Great - CA thanks haha 👍

Yeah, it's gross. It's a diaper lol

I will accept that a more naturally attuned disgust instinct makes you prone to less sexuay deviated behavior. Theres been studies that connect conservativism to feeling disgust

Being gay is 100% determined because there is no free will.

For a conservative viewing maggots triggers the same reaction as seeing gays kiss

shit that's actually not wrong

Yes the disgust mechanism heavily correlates with rightwing aesthetics.

It's literally your survival mechanism

Yes. It's almost like our ideals are emotionally driven and not logically.

If I'm nazbol, what kind of disgust instinct do I have?

🤔

@DeusVolkthat would be instinct

Liberals rely on consensus

True.

If enough people say somethings OK they'll do it

i am more turned off by a black dude kissing a white chick...

lmao at people who insist that their ideology isn't influenced by the people around them

@Grayson To be honest, if I had kids, I'd waaaaay rather them be gay than race mixers

For those that are interested from before, these are a few of the short list of books we're considering for our book discussion group:
1. José Pedro Zuquete, The Identitarians: The Movement against Globalism and Islam in Europe
2. Chuck Palahniuk - Adjustment Day: A Novel
3. Chris Voss with Tahl Raz, Never Split the Difference: Negotiating as if Your Life Depended on It
4. Paul Fusell - Class (just because I know it is a fun and interesting read).

@Jacob i totally agree with you

Jacob, if either of those things happen...I pitty you

@Jacob true we all are to an extent but the stress index measured for conservatives when viewing maggots or rottigg flesh in relation to homosexuality was high and liberals didn't have that reaction

well i must be a liberal then

I'm not saying it isn't generally true, I suspect it is, but my mom is a massive shitlib, and she has a pretty strong disgust reaction.

Subverted values.

Deep psychological switch.

I don't hate gays or anything but I understand they are a physically and evolutionary dead end

They are the end of your genes

@greg_p - TX I love the book discussion idea

Plus alot of gays have incontenance issue. My wife was a care giver at a nursing home and I'd hear all sorts of stuff from here about it

@PatrickAZ What do you mean?

@greg_p - TX I mean sure I'd rather it be neither. But I had to choose, it's gays over race mixers, no question.

I enjoy the prospect of having a discussion for a book we all can read.

we literally have a literature server

we had a discussion just today

Two of my coworkers are lesbians (together) and it is the first time I've had to deal with prolonged exposure to gay since I became pro-White. I am nice to them and we even get along, but it is aggravating when I am reminded of their relationship. They're both fit, skilled and smart people, not at all the whinging, fat, bluehair stereotype. They would otherwise be good wives or mothers. Sad.

Yeah, but at that point it almost* doesn't matter. For all practical purposes they are genetic dead ends and would not be welcome with the rest of MY family, in any case.

ehhh

I'd respectfully disagree and say it does matter

@PatrickAZ I think there is an online book discussion group in IE. I am talking about my local group, that has 2 a month.

I hate gays tbh, don't know if that gets me banned or not though

because gays can at least bring home another gay who is otherwise a relatable person

with race mixing, you're guaranteed to have someone with a totally different culture and identity in your family

oh nice.

https://discord.gg/tsf9gK

@PatrickAZ "Sexual Personae" by Camille Paglia, and "Homosexuality and Civilization" by Louis Crompton are good books on these topics

here's the link to our literature server

You don't have to hate something to be disgusted by or or not want it around your family.

I don't hate homosexuals (I pity them), though I do detest being around them.

Gays have a culture as alien as bantus.

ehhhhhh

For me, I would not want either homosexuals or...those falling into the *other* category around my family. That's the most important practical delineation from my perspective.

Gays have their own unique subculture built around their deviated sexual practices. I state deviated because they can't continue in their behavior and sustain a civilization

Some are very nice people and I've worked around them. Wouldn't let them near my family however.

we should not hate anyone. to say that all gays are pedophiles and perverts is an insult to our intelligence.. we know better than that. You can hate the lifestyle but we cannot make those generalizations. Some of us might end up with a gay kid one day.. and i can guarantee you i would not hate him/her.

The majority are highly degenerate and destruction. Yet I know homosexuals that aren't terrible people, including some that I respect and have helped out our movement considerably. More than most of the people in this conversation, I would bet. But they do not have any place in or around my family or in our communities of families.

They still however would be sexually deviant and in my opinion their practices shouldn't be encouraged and should be reformed @Grayson

I would probably disavow my son if I saw him with another man tbh

reformed??

I am ...highly skeptical of any kind of "reformed" homosexual.

Homosexuals reform all the time, they live a chaste life or get a woman

The only one that basically claimed to be like that (after it was revealed) was a nut job that had to be removed from our community. This was years ago but the guy caused a lot of problems lol.

We shouldn't be so quick to disavow people who have psychological problems. A lot of them have it because of traumatic experience.

Yikes.

jacob what did you start here??? lol

I would not want such a character around my family.

Nor would I be comfortable with such a person raising children

I wouldn't, for example, want my kids playing and hanging out with kids whose father is a "reformed" homosexual

All behaviors in my opinion are under subjugation to your control. For instance naturally I'm not a "good person" in fact I'm a giant asshole. I've learned to change my behavior. My dad was on the road to being in the hells angels. He learned to change his behavior. Your dick getting hard isn't an untouchable behavior thats beyond contest or control

Let's not forget plenty of gay men have been and are married with kids

@bspon002 agreed

@greg_p - TX dude... you may not even know that a relative in your family is gay... they dont all go around waving a rainbow flag. as i said before i know some football players.. whom you would never ever ever guess they are.. if i introduced you to them you would think "wow that;s a chad solid dude" so you dont always know..

Let's try to keep the conversation a bit more palatable and less vulgar @bspon002. Let's not forget there are women and others in this chat that probably don't want to see this conversation.

@Grayson I am well aware.

@greg_p - TX agreed. I typically wouldn't uses such terms here but it was a rare occasion that I couldn't think of any better way to describe the circumstances

But that doesn't change the fact that when I do know, I don't want such people around my family.

that's reasonable

Anyone out of control of themselves I wouldn't want around my kids. Gays are no different

Gays aren't necessarily "out of control of themselves" unless they are actively trying to stop those behaviors and failing

Gays won't suppress their gayness

I have all sorts of desires. I curb them if they aren't aligned properly. I don't hate the gays. In the simplest terms it's an unproductive sexual behavior that as I said produces a dead end

That's my personal opinion

Very few people would act on gay desires in a society fiercely against them, even if we accepted the questionable suggestion that these desires are inevitable

Obviously there is some room for nuance for ones view on homosexuality, though I think we can all agree it is far from the ideal. Homosexuality and hypersexuality are obvious symptoms of an uprooted and lost society imo.

Freedom of association (not wanting them around your children) is fine and indeed a principle we are striving for in society, from all manner of social ill.. I don't want to force this conversation to end, because I feel that nobody has **really** crossed a line here, but let's be conscious that we aren't being crass.

vasectomy produces a dead end too. are we not going to allow men who have had a vasectomy in?

I mean

You can't really blame gay people for embracing a subculture that gives them a socially acceptable (even glorified) identity

Vasectomies shouldnt be a thing

I think that was Ians polite way of moving the Convo along

It's probably best we don't all dwell on it much further

Nah I'm sure we want to talk about gay boys all night long lol

@Papa Pizzagate thanks Ian !! 😂

we do not and will not allow openly or suspected homosexual individuals into this organization. In my personal opinion there is a high degree of overlap between sexual experimentation and other mental health issues. If they like to they can support what we are doing without becoming a member.

So, has anyone read any of these books (I've only read #4)?
1. José Pedro Zuquete, The Identitarians: The Movement against Globalism and Islam in Europe
2. Chuck Palahniuk - Adjustment Day: A Novel
3. Chris Voss with Tahl Raz, Never Split the Difference: Negotiating as if Your Life Depended on It
4. Paul Fusell - Class

I've read alot of Chuck's stuff, but not that one

none of the above in fact.

I read most of Chuck's stuff up to arounf 2007 but nothing since then

All of those were recommended by people like us

@greg_p - TX I listened to the Adjustment Day audio book. Pretty good I thought.

Adjustment Day looks very interesting.

Nice. @DairyMaxx Do you think it would be a good book for a discussion group?

Apologies @Grayson. I misinterpreted you comments above as enquiring why we weren't more open to homosexuality as an organization, which is not what he was saying - at all. apologies...it's late... I edited my comment to remove his name but am leaving the comment up for posterity

Yeah. You can tell he did some research into the alt right and probably has an anonymous Gab account. @greg_p - TX

Its mostly just funny though, wouldn't want to get to deep

Having a nuanced view on the issue is okay - but I think it's good to state our organizations general stance from time to time.

ahh ok

He kind of makes the point that homos are non racial people

I figured it would be more just for fun. It's ok to do some light books too, provided it's a break and not the norm

The first half of the book is kind of serious and will hit close to home. The second half is all flying pyramids

huwhite pyramids be fun doe<:usinnoodle:420778112226164736>

Every black supremacist fantasy comes true and black people are basically revealed to be playing a massive inside joke on whitey. Acting like fools to see how much whitey will believe. When they get their ethnostate they start flying around and shucking\jiving things into reality. Meanwhile the white man bans technological progress and devolves into fuedal fertility cults, while the gays effectively enslave themselves

You know what's not fun? A kid too young to know how to blow his nose. My little man is sick right now and we are constantly wiping his upper lip. lol

Are...you kidding or serious?

Serious.

that is insane

sounds funny, but really out there

and holy shit, how has this not been attacked as retardly racist? I mean, I haven't followed it at all so I wouldn't know but the whole "we was just joking" on white people to see how much they'd believe bit...yikes haha

I thought it was especially funny that the black state had to be an unrealistic fantasy. He could not get away with writing an honest critique of black Americans the way he could about whites and his own "race"

chuck isn't Chosen, is he? I thought he wasn't

He lost his publisher and got kicked out of his writing group over the book

No just gay

oh no kidding

that's wild

Yeah, I'm not totally surprised though. Being familiar with his older work, that is.

He is of the ilk of gays that likes being rebellious and pushing *actual* limits, not the ones you get rewarded for. He's always attempted to be at least a little legitimately edgy

Yeah. I like the guy tbh. The point he makes about the "gay community" is not the kosher party line either. Its a kind of Donovanesque stay in the closet/fringes message.

If you haven't already watched/heard this you absolutely have to. Tucker Carlson is pushing third position politics into the mainstream.
https://youtu.be/mSuQ-AyiicA

How do you guys think the government shutdown will end?

Trump can't just go on like this forever until people start to get really pissed at him

Everyone needs to view this

I think he'll wi if he sticks to it

he has the people behind him

go nuclear or declare state of emergency

he's beginning to understand the power he has in the people

Regular people don't care that much about the wall. If it goes on too long, people will be like "who cares about your stupid wall, just give me my government services"

CALL WH TOMORROW

But they care about him

maybe it wont end

and what he stands for

they care bout the man

https://www.wral.com/food-stamps-denied-as-part-of-government-shutdown/18106506/

this could be a potential good ending

if the shut down causes massive black/Hispanic riots, that could really shift public opinion

I think even the white SNAP peeps care about this

this is visceral

racial

you just won't ever hear about it

didn't Trump say they made some sort of proposition with Pelosi and Schumer today?

Imagine Ferguson all over again, with scenes on the news of blacks smashing up grocery stores

even from the people themselves

i thought you were referencing white folks on stamps

i see how they could be organized

https://www.rt.com/usa/448190-us-senate-israel-boycott-law/

if food stamp riots happen, the Democrats might be more pressured to accept a deal

bad optics for blacks and Hispanics + higher chance of a deal

trying to predict what is going to happen politically is pretty fruitless imo. if it matters to you, you should call the WH, call your reps etc. as Patrick and FTN have recommend and then get back to focusing on yourself and your local community.

If food stamp riots happen I’m toast

Only white neighborhood in a heavily black city

Been nice knowing you guys.

https://www.rt.com/usa/448210-maddow-cia-female-leadership/

good interview. learned some new things even though I've been listening to Jared for years. the interviewer, Tommy Sotomayor,
is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Fq272nof4

Jared Taylor is the man.

I’ve watched and read him more than any other alt right figure. He’s genuine, scholarly, and eloquent.

@Jacob I'm a big wall guy

@androaquila Jared Taylor is great

we all are

but your average dude isn't

Everyone I know is

Does anyone want a lightly used copy of the Bell Curve?

If you do then check out my offer on the literature server. If you're not in the server, I can invite you.

I wanna read that book eventually but I’m currently reading an economics book of over 1400 pages 😯

Geez...I’m a lil over 300 pages now and 1100 to go 😕

@androaquila if you have something interesting that you don't need anymore I'll trade you the Bell Curve so you have it for later