I am ...highly skeptical of any kind of "reformed" homosexual.

Homosexuals reform all the time, they live a chaste life or get a woman

The only one that basically claimed to be like that (after it was revealed) was a nut job that had to be removed from our community. This was years ago but the guy caused a lot of problems lol.

We shouldn't be so quick to disavow people who have psychological problems. A lot of them have it because of traumatic experience.

Yikes.

jacob what did you start here??? lol

I would not want such a character around my family.

Nor would I be comfortable with such a person raising children

I wouldn't, for example, want my kids playing and hanging out with kids whose father is a "reformed" homosexual

All behaviors in my opinion are under subjugation to your control. For instance naturally I'm not a "good person" in fact I'm a giant asshole. I've learned to change my behavior. My dad was on the road to being in the hells angels. He learned to change his behavior. Your dick getting hard isn't an untouchable behavior thats beyond contest or control

Let's not forget plenty of gay men have been and are married with kids

@bspon002 agreed

@greg_p - TX dude... you may not even know that a relative in your family is gay... they dont all go around waving a rainbow flag. as i said before i know some football players.. whom you would never ever ever guess they are.. if i introduced you to them you would think "wow that;s a chad solid dude" so you dont always know..

Let's try to keep the conversation a bit more palatable and less vulgar @bspon002. Let's not forget there are women and others in this chat that probably don't want to see this conversation.

@Grayson I am well aware.

@greg_p - TX agreed. I typically wouldn't uses such terms here but it was a rare occasion that I couldn't think of any better way to describe the circumstances

But that doesn't change the fact that when I do know, I don't want such people around my family.

that's reasonable

Anyone out of control of themselves I wouldn't want around my kids. Gays are no different

Gays aren't necessarily "out of control of themselves" unless they are actively trying to stop those behaviors and failing

Gays won't suppress their gayness

I have all sorts of desires. I curb them if they aren't aligned properly. I don't hate the gays. In the simplest terms it's an unproductive sexual behavior that as I said produces a dead end

That's my personal opinion

Very few people would act on gay desires in a society fiercely against them, even if we accepted the questionable suggestion that these desires are inevitable

Obviously there is some room for nuance for ones view on homosexuality, though I think we can all agree it is far from the ideal. Homosexuality and hypersexuality are obvious symptoms of an uprooted and lost society imo.

Freedom of association (not wanting them around your children) is fine and indeed a principle we are striving for in society, from all manner of social ill.. I don't want to force this conversation to end, because I feel that nobody has **really** crossed a line here, but let's be conscious that we aren't being crass.

vasectomy produces a dead end too. are we not going to allow men who have had a vasectomy in?

I mean

You can't really blame gay people for embracing a subculture that gives them a socially acceptable (even glorified) identity

Vasectomies shouldnt be a thing

I think that was Ians polite way of moving the Convo along

It's probably best we don't all dwell on it much further

Nah I'm sure we want to talk about gay boys all night long lol

@Papa Pizzagate thanks Ian !! 😂

we do not and will not allow openly or suspected homosexual individuals into this organization. In my personal opinion there is a high degree of overlap between sexual experimentation and other mental health issues. If they like to they can support what we are doing without becoming a member.

So, has anyone read any of these books (I've only read #4)?
1. José Pedro Zuquete, The Identitarians: The Movement against Globalism and Islam in Europe
2. Chuck Palahniuk - Adjustment Day: A Novel
3. Chris Voss with Tahl Raz, Never Split the Difference: Negotiating as if Your Life Depended on It
4. Paul Fusell - Class

I've read alot of Chuck's stuff, but not that one

none of the above in fact.

I read most of Chuck's stuff up to arounf 2007 but nothing since then

All of those were recommended by people like us

@greg_p - TX I listened to the Adjustment Day audio book. Pretty good I thought.

Adjustment Day looks very interesting.