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Molyneaux said that his trip to mostly-white Poland recently influenced him. He saw how low the crime was and how much peace and social cohesion there is there.

I saw the announcement that there's new member orientation tonight. how to attend? 😃

did something happen in the pledge hall voice chat? can't hear anything suddenly

Could there be a recommended reading/watching list for members?

what do you recommend for members to do regarding social media (reddit, facebook, etc.)

I'd also be interested in a document on why we have the moral high ground. It's easy to feel or act guilty, as Millennial Woes talked about in that video Danimal876 posted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFInvwZMV-M).

Even if you're looking at what's best for Mexicans or refugees, for example, American nationalism is better in many ways (can help more refugees closer to home with the same amount of money, mass migration is part of a scheme of low wages for Mexicans, as Fernando Cortes talked about at Amren (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQaIEnQz6RY).

I feel like Jordan Peterson has changed since 2015/2016. He seems preoccupied with not being associated with people like ourselves, not doing anything that could cause him to lose his income from speaking. Isn't he also following a strange limited semi-carnivore diet? he hasn't looked healthy to me lately

well, book forward to Jordanetics, actually

Re: Patrick's new year's suggestions ... I am getting married in a few months 😃 the closer the date gets, the more I realize I'm kind of intimidated about whether I can do a good job at it... Wondered if any married people have advice.

I'm a girl

thanks for the reassurance!

tax planning would be awesome

2019-01-02 00:30:44 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

thought this was a nice quote from a review of Jim Goad's Whiteness: The Original Sin: "As I'€™ve said many times but will keep saying until it seeps into everyone’s impossibly thick skulls, the most powerful political weapon is guilt. It can disable entire populations without a single shot being fired. Apparently those who are constantly injecting the collective white unconscious with guilt serum are deathly afraid of what white people could accomplish if they were to toss their “€œinvisible knapsacks”€ of imaginary guilt into the nearest river." https://www.takimag.com/article/whiteness_the_original_sin_jim_goad/2/

https://quillette.com/2019/01/01/anxiety-about-immigration-is-a-global-issue/

"The idea that so-called “nativism” or hostility towards immigration is confined to white Westerners is a fallacy; it is a global phenomenon that is often stronger in non-Western countries.... The moral outrage of many white progressives and most intellectuals of color in the West on this subject is solely reserved for white societies; if black or brown people share exactly the same sentiments that white people are being lambasted for, it will either be greeted with silence or with all sorts of justificatory rationalizations."

2019-01-02 19:30:30 UTC [Literature Club #tir]  

Almost finished with The Strange Death of Europe audiobook. It was great. starting on Ship of Fools.

can't wait for JT!

if you want to research areas, there is a map of the census including race over the area of the US: https://demographics.coopercenter.org/racial-dot-map

it's interesting seeing how much people segregate naturally

anyone in New Mexico or did I found/refound the NM chapter

and freedom of association? like in Orania ... 😛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abAIl7X7480 clip on Orania from Lauren Southern's documentary

Hi, new member here, interested in getting involved in cyberstrike 😃

I keep hearing things in The Strange Death of Europe that shock me about demographic projections for a possible Muslim majority in Europe,... possibly not so far-fetched

http://punchingbagpost.com/2018/10/27/a-muslim-majority-europes-demographic-destiny/

"More openly conservative demographic statisticians have released empirical projections indicating that accounting for immigration and the birthrate disparity Europe will become majority Muslim as soon as two generations from now."

I just had a dream this past night that I was with some other people and we were amid some kind of harmful sleeping gas and lying down to sleep, but then at one point I said, this isn't right, and stood up and called 911 in the dream and started taking steps to survive. it was a weird dream but it made me realize I have a survival urge.

@Jonaltright I agree the situation is bleak, but it was also bleak at many points throughout European history. Somehow we found a way to not get annihilated by Muslims at many points in history, not all starve, not all die from and rebuild after the Black Plague, etc.

Can anyone give advice on cleaning refrigerator condenser coils?

I'm a stay-at-home woman... and don't even have kids 😛

I'm so impressed with Molyneaux lately!

can you make a twitter account on desktop with just an email address and no phone number?

i heard this song on a british tv show and haven't been able to get it out of my head. English madrigal song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE_7aqtgquo

been listening to English madrigal songs lately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NPFUz-kIu4

2019-01-05 05:24:01 UTC [Literature Club #tir]  

Good paragraph from Why We Fight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393247992939020288/530979764639367168/Screen_Shot_2019-01-04_at_10.23.25_PM.png

thanks. i think it went well. I got a fridge coil brush and unplugged the fridge was gentle and did get a lot of dog hair out of there from the previous homeowner's dog.

@Isabella Locke-MT I feel you! the urge to clean is real!

@Sam Anderson that's cool about Shaprio and Rogan talking about IQ differences. do you know roughly where in the video they talk about it?

white people and their *shuffles deck* white parenting

wow, the article calls for white parents not to do their best for their children

""Everyone is trying to do the best for their kid," she says. "But I actually think that there are times when maybe the best interest of your own kid isn't actually the best choice. Ultimately, being a good citizen sometimes conflicts with being good parents.... Maybe in our case it should have meant choosing a public school rather than a private one."

@OttoVonBismarck haha Tariq says that Asians are successful because white supremacists allowed them to be??

just read that you're supposed to clean the condenser coils every six months to keep the fridge working well

2019-01-07 00:10:55 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

@Mick nice quote! what's the book?

2019-01-07 00:22:14 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

i agree, if you accept "racist" as a thing you can be you've lost the discussion already

2019-01-07 00:51:21 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393247525198364676/531635925092925480/Screen_Shot_2019-01-06_at_5.51.04_PM.png

2019-01-07 00:52:05 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

i can't figure out how to talk on the voice thing

2019-01-07 00:52:22 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

My ex's mom worked at an all black charter school that seemed really great for kids

2019-01-07 00:52:34 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

i click unmute and something werid happens, trying to figure it out

2019-01-07 00:53:02 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

nvm

2019-01-07 00:57:53 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

it's tough, some SJWs make a point to have friends of all races

2019-01-07 01:02:16 UTC [Literature Club #general]  
2019-01-07 01:02:41 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

you can see how much people self-segregate in where they live

2019-01-07 01:03:59 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393247525198364676/531639103880560641/Screen_Shot_2019-01-06_at_6.03.46_PM.png

2019-01-07 01:04:40 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

or "oreo"

2019-01-07 01:09:43 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

Stefan talked about how visiting mostly-white Poland a few months ago affected him a lot, that's what inspired his rush of white identity posting on Twitter

2019-01-07 01:21:18 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

alternative hypothesis has good videos on fst

2019-01-07 01:43:04 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

that book sounds great, with the quote about being a good parent, spouse, friend, neighbor etc

why we fight is really intense! reading that now

is that a cat?

that's a good point. i try to disrupt the mainstream narrative in gentle ways (with people who aren't open)

2019-01-07 02:50:25 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

@Jacob could be!

I've found some of my fourth cousins on 23andme and they look like people I'd be friends with if I met them.

@Jawa my favorite birds are magpies... really pretty and intelligent "widely considered one of the most intelligent animals in the world and one of only a few non-mammal species able to recognize itself in a mirror test."

2019-01-07 04:10:42 UTC [Literature Club #evolution]  

@Myndrian great article

good interview. learned some new things even though I've been listening to Jared for years. the interviewer, Tommy Sotomayor,
is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Fq272nof4

2019-01-07 20:03:12 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

started listening to A Troublesome Inheritance audiobook. I've known this stuff for a while, but hearing them talk about evolution at the forefront really makes it hit home. Groups really have diverged quite a bit. Cool to realize much of the evolution has been recent.

Has anyone done a survey of members to find out how they got redpilled or decided to join?

I'm guessing Jared Taylor's youtube videos might have been a major factor for many of us?

maybe run a poll in discord or something?

2019-01-07 22:56:59 UTC [Literature Club #general]  

https://www.pnas.org/content/108/4/1262 "males self-administered oxytocin or placebo and privately performed computer-guided tasks to gauge different manifestations of ethnocentric in-group favoritism as well as out-group derogation"

I could think about it. It would be good to ask about factors that we could actually use or implement for recruitment (e.g., certain books or people, Jared taylor's videos) ... and of course have the survey edited by admin so that it's only things that would go with our platform/image.

There are great survey tools like suveymonkey, but unfortunately they grab IP address and a lot of metadata (location, etc.), so it might be best to stick to something on discord.

If we were to do a poll on how people decided to join IE, it seems discord has a poll bot, or we could just use reactions as a poll (like click on the one for the given option)

but it would be hard to have many options, poll bot only allows 6 in a straw poll, and too many would get unwieldy

so it might be good to narrow down to whatever areas we'd consider between focusing on the most, and only ask about those

I wonder why people aren't getting on his case more. Maybe his "not an argument" thing and the way he sort of publicly makes fun of people who say ridiculous things to him (he retweets a lot of ridiculous attacks) helps?

@Nico The Great - CA thanks will try that

woah, step away from discord for a few minutes and we're on beards now?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/the-coming-balkanization-of-the-democratic-party/?mc_cid=7d68d78e6c&mc_eid=7edc4e414e

"While racial and ethnic voting is not new, it appears much more intense."
“This thing is going to get so tribal.”"
"The Republican Party, even with the never-Trumpers gone, still seems more united than a Democratic Party where the differences are not only ideological but also racial, religious and tribal."

wow, he's talking about the people killed by illegal immigrants

wow "this is a choice between right and wrong"

@Zilna Jestov i like your clock idea. does anyone have good demographic projections for 2100-ish?

@Zilna Jestov here is census bureau on 2060. interesting that non-hispanic whites are expected to be only 33% of those under 18 in 2060. so that could give some clue as to 2100-ish. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb12-243.html

seems like at this rate, there would be more Hispanics than non-Hispanic whites in the US, in the under 18 age group, by 2060-ish "Hispanics are projected to make up 38.0 percent of this [under-18] group in 2060, up from 23.9 percent in 2012." (and whites would be 33% of people under 18 in 2060)

@Zilna Jestov whites % < Hispanics % will be later on, like 2080ish.... white % still > Hispanic % in 2045 even though white % < 50% in 2045

aww it looks like it was cool!

Maybe if you made a countdown to the glorious minority majority, they'd allow it 😉

@R O M A N V S that thread was good

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/conservative-de-platforming-is-an-attack-on-private-property/?mc_cid=2ff8b5d785&mc_eid=7edc4e414e "The truth may be that there is a conservative alternative to the Internet and it’s called “land.” That isn’t necessarily a happy conclusion."

Yes, I only applied because Jared Taylor and Patrick pushed me

in marketing it's called a "call to action" -- has a big impact on people taking a step to do things

Yeah, a call to apply can be overwhelming, but a call to just DM or get in touch is easier

gonna go retweet now!

Cheyenne is a nice town

I need to get started on NM!

Glad that SPLC is providing this awesome reinforcement for flyering activity!

Does anyone in a majority-minority area have suggestions on activism and flyering without being offensive? Do you try to target areas that white people frequent?

@Nico The Great - CA thanks, veterans centers/veteran themes might be a good idea here. are there still veterans posters available? i have a bunch of the european roots ones.

Delete if necessary, but could some of the Urban Dictionary "white pride" entries use upvotes?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white%20pride

Some I've liked

The Strange Death of Europe
A Troublesome Inheritance
White Identity (join the literature server for book discussion this month and next)
The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up (maybe more for women?)
The Keto Reset Diet
The Complete Sherlock Holmes

Sandia Mountains trails, Albuquerque, NM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359086234175275010/533784415785058324/DSC00015.jpg

Anyone have tape recommendations for putting up flyers? I tried double-sided tape and couldn't get the backing off

@GloopGod thanks. that's what I have. maybe I'm not doing it right!

cool channel for footage of European nationalist stuff with English translations. interesting to see what they are more/less open about in Europe vs. here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmmjqphCjpU

As far as I know, the nonprofit they are starting is going to build as much wall as possible (possibly more cheaply than the government could) by working with private landowners

here is their update:
1. The federal government won’t be able to accept our donations anytime soon.
2. We are better equipped than our own government to use the donated funds to build an actual wall on the southern border.
3. Our highly experienced team is highly confident that we can complete significant segments of the wall in less time, and for far less money, than the federal government, while meeting or exceeding all required regulatory, engineering, and environmental specifications.
4. Our team strongly believes that we can complete our segments of the wall for less than half of the government’s estimated costs on a per mile basis.
To show the government how “We the People” can get this done, we have formed a Section 501(c)(4) non-profit Florida Corporation named “We Build the Wall, Inc.” to receive the GoFundMe contributions.

It's interesting reading White Identity and Troublesome Inheritance at the same time. You can see some of the evolutionary background for the race-centric behavior described in WI, like:

Having a territory for your tribe (e.g., delineated by a certain street, in chapter 3)

Feeling good about protecting your in-group from the out-group and putting the interests of your in-group first

seems like humans (and chimps) have done this for a while

does this act have a chance? should we call representatives about it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaesZc1lk1k

"The bill is co-sponsored by eleven Republican representatives: Kevin Brady (TX-8), Steve King (IA-4), Louie Gohmert (TX-1), Tom Garrett, Jr. (VA-5), Lamar S. Smith (TX-21), Walter B. Jones, Jr. (NC-3), Paul Gosar (AZ-4), Ron DeSantis (FL-6), Joe Wilson (SC-2), Gary Palmer (AL-6), and Kevin Cramer (ND-At-large)."

if Dems won't go for it, then it's like, this isn't about funding is it...

@Chris N. - CA yeah exactly, makes it more clear what it's about

yeah, it does make me want to choose white or asian doctors when I can, if the standards for medical school admission are so different

oh really? that's interesting about the roman legions

"many studies have found that African American military personnel have higher rates of PTSD compared to their White peers." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10926771.2016.1157842

" In past several decades, a number of studies have focused on combat-related PTSD and have identified individual and social risk factors, these risk factors include being younger at the time of the trauma, being female, being of a racial minority..."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4368749/

yeah, good point that the feeling of kinship can be protective

Stefan just had a great video on Medicaid fraud

someone who used to be an investigator of medicaid fraud

interesting that military privatization is heading more toward segregation again
"Private vendors are not engaged in the same social engineering project as the military and, as a result, tend to hire and fire people based on their ability to work effectively as a team. Like many companies, they have little incentive to invest in helping diverse teams learn to work together as effectively as possible. Building diverse teams – especially ones in which members depend on each other for their survival – is extremely hard, time-consuming, and emotionally exhausting. As a result, private companies focus on “culture fit”, emphasize teams that get along, and look for people who already have the necessary skills, all of which helps reinforce existing segregation patterns."

yeah, diversity "enriches " us but we hardly ever see these people sometimes (like the Chinese enclave)

yeah

that's a good point, that white identity in the present involves a lot of work to just get to the point of being able to start having it

communism also affected post 1965 immigration because lots of people were not allowed to leave Eastern bloc countries

"While the bill’s champions, including LBJ and Celler, were committed to ethnic and racial pluralism, they anticipated that most of its beneficiaries would hail from Europe.

But the story played out differently. As Europe’s economy finally emerged from the ashes of World War II, fewer residents of Ireland, Italy or Germany moved to the United States, while those residing in the Soviet bloc found it all but impossible to try."

you're seeing more inter-racial conflict among Democrats, more balkanization of the Democratic party

yeah, i was referring more to the question on cyberstrike

yeah the low humidity here is good

yeah that is inspiring

workers rights, no child workers, etc

yeah

lmao

lol

lower testosterone in men might be a factor

sure i'd talk about community building

sounds similar to cohousing

great idea

Might be good to get homeschooling resources together for members? recommended textbooks and books?

cool!

if you all are looking into buying a home, I really recommend Nolo's Guide to buying your first home

good point

might be good to make a section in the Skills server about moving/buying houses

good point

Scottsdale seems alright

wow!

bye1

@PatrickAZ let me know if you have actions in AZ and I might be able to make it, I'm in NM. I'm not on your slack

cool!

October?

i guess I was not around then

k

just a thought but I was thinking after the book discussion, I think we need to be
1) more virtuous than the other side. I think that's why Jared Taylor is so effective - he's more virtuous than any leftist I've ever seen
2) make things that promote survival into virtues. decide that it is moral to defend your people, associate with them, appreciate your culture, etc.

maybe we need more examples of virtuous European survival/defense, like the Battle of Tours ... like, this is who we are. it's not really emphasized in history we get in school
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

I guess there were several sieges of Vienna

looks like there is a movie about the battle of vienna, day of the siege

cool genetics blog. he actually stands up for and seems to respect charles murray many times even though he's not specifically a HBD guy as far as I can tell.

https://www.gnxp.com/

@Jacob I can't go to LOPF either. would anyone be interested in having a group call/discussion on discord during LOPF for people who can't make it in person?

I saw this, veterans centers have "Stand Down" events periodically, they seem like pretty big events and they take volunteers... there are many happening this year

https://www.va.gov/homeless/events.asp

@Nico The Great - CA really well done ad!

@Nico The Great - CA Yeah I thought that was a great image. Good text/narration too!

@Bjorn - MD great find (Tucker on white identity politics)

Cool, Patrick was on Red Ice recently. I guess I missed this if it was posted elsewhere. https://youtu.be/ZS2gPezJ2TI

Can we complain about this to the steering committee? they stripped Steve King of his committee memberships because of the blowback about his comments on white nationalism

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mcconnell-if-steve-king-doesn-t-understand-why-his-white-n958606

Here is steering committee: https://www.gop.gov/steering-committee/

Delete if necessary (is there anywhere that "contact your rep" stuff can go?)

The Republican steering committee voted to strip Steve King of his committee memberships because of the fallout from his recent comments on white nationalism. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mcconnell-if-steve-king-doesn-t-understand-why-his-white-n958606

Here is the list of steering committee members if you want to contact them to complain. Not everyone will have a rep on the list but maybe some people will.
https://www.gop.gov/steering-committee/

@Jacob you did a good job leading the book discussion!

@Jacob Nemets did great too!

https://youtu.be/zzTgn_B7mkE Steve King addressing the backlash about his comments on white nationalism

"Labels have been hurled at people ... like we have never seen"

I called, only got through to voicemail on the second number

If they are closing the phone lines is it worth also tweeting to Kevin Mccarthy? https://twitter.com/GOPLeader

got through!

While we are calling reps, should we be calling about supporting border wall funding too? such as Dem reps that might switch over? I have all Dem reps here

yeah precisely 😉

@Dylan - NY I'm a former leftie!

a few things

being told over and over how I have to apologize for white privilege, when I've had a hard life

trump winning

the left name-calling people and saying their ideas were wrong, so I decided to just watch their stuff and judge for myself

but if it was one moment, it was seeing Jared Taylor in a round table on immigration, and thinking who is that well-spoken, intelligent man? and I saw he was a "white nationalist" when I looked him up, and debated with myself about whether to watch him but decided to go ahead

Yeah, Taylor got me to consider things I wouldn't have gone for (it took me a while to accept IQ differences and freedom of association) because his content is so high-quality (lots of facts, intelligence, respect for anyone he's debating or being interviewed by)

I think a good strategy is making white advocacy seem like the more virtuous choice. It seems like a common theme in history that white people get very motivated when they think a cause is just.

like, shaming white people and telling them they're unvirtuous works very well against us (e.g., Gandhi's strategy against Britain, the left now)

and we have historically gotten very motivated to do things like abolish slavery, bring civilzation to other continents, etc.

the left is already framing this as a matter of good vs. evil

so unless we are definitely on the side of good, hopefully more than the left, we seem like the evil side

yeah

Yeah, and identitarianism, particularly when set against globalism, is easy to characterize as virtuous

Some ways identitarianism is virtuous:
All groups of people can follow their destiny (as JT says)
Honoring the ancestors who made your culture or fought to preserve it
Better wages and protections for the poor, elderly, and infirm, when work and benefits stay generally within a group (compared to open borders)
Better civic engagement and cooperation when there is a cohesive culture
Better for the environment (compared to moving people from low-carbon use countries into ones where they will use more carbon)
Preserving unique cultures, cultural diversity (similar to preserving languages or endangered species or subspecies)
Counteracts exploitative nature of global corporations

@Virgil I think that's true. Many people who would otherwise be on our side say that playing "identity politics" is bad. one possible rebuttal could be to say that each group decides on how to embrace and further its own identity. white people don't need to do it the same way as black people.

@Virgil I agree completely. It works better if we don't seem like demagogues or self-serving.

I think it helps to universalize when we can (white people have long been fans of universal morality), like Jared Taylor does, and say that we are for identity for all groups, that all peoples should follow their destiny, etc. Survival for all groups. Positive pride for all groups. Respect the unique contributions of all groups. that kind of thing.

Mexican guy at Amren claiming that identitarianism is also better for Mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQaIEnQz6RY

Interesting thread, if you want to add a redpilled comment
https://twitter.com/Concerned_Puggo/status/1085537039821537280

Anyone have experience with latex mattresses? Looking at Spindle

@hbutzer0511 cool that CIS is suing SPLC.

This is going to be fun, Coleman Hughes on Julian von Abele
https://quillette.com/2019/01/16/tiers-of-pride-and-shame/

"At a glance, it’s hard to reconcile the belief that von Abele’s comments were bigoted with the fact that black activists routinely get praised for making similar statements. Von Abele’s remark, “I love myself and I love white people” sounds eerily similar to “I love my blackness and yours,” the Twitter mantra of Black Lives Matter leader Deray McKesson. “We’re white men, we did everything,” nearly echoes a statement made in a commencement speech by Alicia Garza, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter: “Without black women…there would be no me, no you, no us, no civilized society of which we speak. We—I, you, and me—we owe everything to black women.” Von Abele’s monologue, universally condemned, took lines straight from the scripts of America’s most celebrated racial justice advocates."

well his conclusion is that we ought to narrow the divide between what's acceptable in terms of pride for black people and white people, make it more of an even standard

@celticflame Sorry to hear it! Hope it's nothing

@Johnny B. Populus just watching allsup's now... the opening image cracked me up

Excited, I think I can make it to the salt lake city event.... LOPF is too far but this one is within range for me. looking forward to meeting some folks!

@Jacob yeah I agree with that

reading it now

yes cracker barrel is a restaurant

2019-01-20 05:53:02 UTC [Literature Club #poetry]  

I heard something by A. E. Housman that I liked and wanted to read more

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