Nope. That's a generalization. Has to be specifically the person in question.

So, one cannot use statistics as a reason to allow or deny services.

Businesses do have the right to impose dress codes if they would like

If some black guy in a button up comes in and you don't sell him chips cause a gang banger is his same race that is bad.

Outlining what is and is not acceptable to wear to their establishment

Listen, don't get into politics. The insurance agencies will make sure you shoot yourself in the back of the head 5 times.

Yeah if you want to have a dress code as part of your store's terms then go ahead. Dress is an action that can be changed.

So is physical presentation.

So, you can deny someone their right to a service because of how they choose to look.

Geez, did the Supreme Court rule that physical presentation is protected speech? I hope not.

Not just presentation. Anything that is an action that the store wants to prohibit, that anyone can make an effort to meet the requirements. You can tell someone to fuck off if they have no pants.

Oh the supreme court?

Would you like me to pull up the case where the Supreme court told someone to make signs that the creator didnt want to?

You can tell someone to leave if you don't like the shirt they wear.

Say if it says "Make America Great Again" or "Black Lives Matter".

If you have a posted dress code then yes

K no that's fucked Blackhawk

The dress code has to be based on something like cleanliness.

So only certain *kinds* of physical presentation are regulated.

I dunno, man, I'm not seeing the underlying ideology here.

You aren't seeing the bigger picture. The only reason dress is being brought up is because of external reasons like hygiene.

Style can't be policed

if you post a dress code that says you need a suit and tie

Black tie dinners are like that yeah

and someone shows up in black lives matter t shirt they can fuck off

Well, that's not cleanliness or hygiene.

if you say no hats and someone shows up in a maga hat

then they can fuck off too

That's literally policing style, a position you said was inappropriate at the literal top of the screen at this point.

The event of a black tie dinner is specifically built around the dresscode

You can't have a dresscode that is black tie for a walmart.

What, why not?

Why not?

The event is a sale, and it's built around a dress code?

Black tie supermarkets. There's nothing wrong with that.

doesnt mean the company would do well

Walmart isn't a black tie supermarket. When I say Walmart. I don't mean random company, I mean general store for things people need. A boutique shop that has a black tie thing is separate because that's a completely different thing to a walmart

So you can only have a dress code if you sell certain products.

if you wanted to you could set up a black tie supermarket but i doubt it would do well

People have a right to get services, but they have to follow the rules set by the seller, but only sometimes for some things.

I don't understand the reasoning.

The black tie service isn't a monopoly on a product type. That's the same type of thing as if you just had a store that sold really expensive food.

The whole reason for all of this is to protect people from monopolies that could exclude them from the market that they would need to use if they wanted to live in an area.

Things can be exclusive if they aren't necessary.

the reasoning is more trying to find a balance that doesnt leave either party entirely at the mercy of the other

Wdym balancing? I thought the only choices were being communist and getting raped by the state, or being an Ancap and being raped by corporations?

Personally id prefer a radical centrist utopia where everything is grey and moderate

but not too grey that is

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https://youtu.be/x_HL0wiK4Zc

What is Tim doing? I've gone from mild disappointment in his uploads and twitter material and after today and yesterday, am now totally mystified at his overt practice of failing to form conclusions with a complete consideration of the matters of fact. All while pissing and moaning about "the media", in all its nebulous definition, will not commit to acting with integrity. Its pitiful.

Explain

are you expecting him to switch his ideology ?

No of course not, but at the least theres a standard of integrity and authenticity he demands, as most of us do, in folks who have an audience they present to

That he shouldn't be exempt from

Yet we can rely on a twitter rage that looks just like this gem from today

Ugh missing permission to post an im mage

Uploading to imgur

https://imgur.com/a/xRdLL9T

Yes Tim the guy is acknowledging they had awareness of the soap boxers, but the statement is explicitly stating an approach was atleast practicle in spirit of diffusion ,even if those aggressors were over the line

Which they were, the black Panthers of Israel style has every scent of in n principle try and agitate as n opposed to reach out and touch the "uninformed" with scripture

But first this entire obsurd episode with this high school group, Tim has been twitter storming his umbrage of the facts getting lost in the blizzard of coverage and unfair treatment, while he himself jukes and jives around inconvenient matters of fact available in the documentary evidence

Bad faith Tim, low standards

I suspect Tim is being pressured.

If he says what he's actually thinking, he'll be deplatformed and lose access to important contacts.

So he's stuck in a realm of floating around in a state where it's not 100% clear what he's thinking. Of course, the left isn't having it anyways (nothing short of complete lunatic assault on the right is unacceptable) and alot of the right is getting weirded out and confused.

But you can even see his stance on Free speech has been moderated in the recent months. Which struck me as odd.

Unless you realize that stuff like the "alternative influence network" is believed by extremely powerful people who could remove him in a heartbeat.

I can say from what I have seen, it is clear the students were set up for a hit peice and smear jobs. This was a consciense effort from the First Nations Group.

I think he's trying to thread a needle.

Of course. Most of what you hear from protest groups at D.C. is manufactured.

Or really any kind of "man on the street" videos.

There's limits, of course, but it's not like the media has been lying for decades.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is the worst.

Given everything and with how the First Nation members have had toe ammend their statements and wtiht the 2 hour video debunking many justifications it is clear that the First Nation group is acting in bad faith

He isnt saying what he is actually thinking, then? Because so far is sentiment on twitter atleast, has been that he has confidence in concluding the matters as he states them, which is a conclusion that doesn't align with a "liberal" position .

He can't waffle on twitter. Too few characters.

There are no more liberal possitions. especialy not on twitter

Honestly, I kinda wish Tim would just go with a more "just the facts" statement, without editorializing in general. But to each their own.

Actually, the media bias and lying is primarily via exclusion and subtly shifting the frame.

The editorializing is he MO honestly

It's what's in the headlines. What gets in the article.

@Khanclansith Really? I'm super curious as to how you arrive at them being some setup victims of a greater "hit piece"

The subtle choices of words.

It's what I find to be just mystifying

Well, for one thing, there was a camera just in the right position...

Which isn't that unusual. But the editing was done on purpose.

Nathan (the Native American who was leading the group) has been known to create racial ruckuses before.

The first call was the false meme JPEG that went out claiming the MAGA students attacked the FN group.

Probably with a similar MO.

2 Nathan himself as Pratel stated

It's actually not unusual among more radical minority organizations.

3 the long video doesn't have any of the "Build a wall" or anything else in the audio

There's loads of content to consume and cultivate a thorough assessment, which does not lead to the determin nation that definitely absolves the group

The real target isn't the middle or the right, they want to build support among the left for their own small organization.

4 the Hate group was ignored in all statements until it was called out

Starting fights with obviously right-leaning groups and playing victim is common.

5 the FN moved right into the middle of the students and got right in their face trying to provoke reactions

And this comes from the kinds of manuals and textbooks that are passed around those grievance studies programs.

I'd actually bet the FN guys had contacts in the media to push the narrative exactly.

indtead of like one would think from the FN Member's statements form a barrier between the two to keep peace

One of the tricks of radical action is to convince people they aren't seeing what they're actually seeing.

Alright so addressing point by point, if I may. Which, thanks for laying those out by the way

It's why ANTIFA screams 'peaceful protest' while throwing firecrackers.

6 we already have people taking down the proof that students were reacting to the hate group multiple times

It's not that ANTIFA actually cares, it's because they want to convince onlookers that they're not 'violent'

It ruins videos showing them attacking people because it 're-contextualizes' the scene.

Do I need to keep going?

This might not have been planed in advance, but it was what the military would call a "Target of Opertunity."

Radical left groups will actually rehearse certain actions with members observing for a distance to try and control media spin and manipulate the image given out.

This also, by the way, is why it can be hard for people like Tim to get good information from their protests. They have 'trained' PR people in the wings.

1 - is there any content you can link unto for the Indian guys history youmentioned? I caught mentions of an incident regarding college students having face paint and responding aggressively to him, but not not anythin ngg further

Hold on a sec. do you have something on that incident? It sounds very similar.

The long video, which one of the black aggressors is shooting, has loads of dialogue amongst the group themselves but also in rpwaknse to the black guys championing trump punch lines

But do we have the extended video from a 3rd party in that instance?

The question was if Nathan Phillips has a history of trying to create provocations. If he did this before, it would explain a lot, would it not?

The youth group, that is. Make america great again, as well as 'it a guys like you here are why dobals trump is our presidebt" is audible im n various points in n the long video

It could lend an entry point angle for us to consider that could help determine a motive. But dude those black guys were a significant flash point in this whole th in ng

You're changing the topic. I don't think that really says much. If they're wearing MAGA hats, it would be more strange for them not to say pro-Trump memes.

Honestly, I don't see where "build the wall" really says much of anything at all. There's alot of people there, it wouldn't even be necessarily clear who "build the wall" would be said by or who it is directed to.

No no. I'm going point by point, Klaf stated earlier in his point 3

Though I haven't heard "build the wall" myself.

an interesting thing about it is that, of that entire group of 50-70 highschoolers, only 10 or 12 actually had a lot of MAGA merchindice on them, yet the guy claiming to be afraid of the MAGApedies not only directs his attention to that one in particuler but chooses to move into him so much that it slowly displaces the crowd making it form around them when origenally that kid was on the outside of a bubble of people.

Theres no presence of build a wall or anything elseb

Was his point number 3

i also kinda see what khan is talking about with camera angles consitering the holder of that camera was not conserned about standing back and showing a large group of people until nathan begins chanting and pushing his way into the group in which case the camera zooms in to the point you get frames like those where basicly you only see the one kid and nathan

I think it's probably more a feature of pushing towards a particular person

Which in n the black dudes video, theres audible token trump lines and general championing, which Ithink is fine, but Kim seeing points being made frequently asserting that it's not in the video. It ja

i think the idea was to actually try and provoke even more from those highschoolers, but it ended up only getting as much as it did, which is really all they needed to spin a story in this yellow journalistic modern world

i actually think those highschoolers reacted as well as they posibly could have

So wait, journalists along with event attendees have anticipated or engineered a conflict to .manufacture controverys?

with a camera on them like that any agressive (probably defensive) body language or expressions would have made the media coverage worse

i dont know about journalists but activists sure do

I can say I have had Native Hawaiians try to provoke an fight with me using the "Breath greeting" and then got pissed off when I knew what they were doing

personally i thought the kid they singled out looked dopey, but they turned that into smug, if he looked defensive, theyd turn that into agressive

So maybe I can summarize all this in a better way...I'm 32 and back in high school my friends and I made everything a shit show. We had a section in the stands Section R for us to be rowdy kn at our games , but wed get wild in unison while kn the gold course , and we had a ball, it was awesome

i think journalists at the top of the pyramid rarely ever go about manufacturing drama, because they have people lower on the steps like this who will do it for them without any direct line of collusion. this kind of thing happens all the time, the big journalists simply troll through all the examples every day and pick the best ones to whatever end they want

@caykoh https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/flashback-before-smearing-and-harassing-catholic-children-native-american-nathan-phillips-accused-frat-boys-of-harassment-in-similar-event/

We were just like these dudes with energized poisitin in ng, and had we encountered those black dudes, it would have been game on j the same manner

@caykoh yes, but it's not quite as sinister as you make it sound.
1) Nathan Phillips is a seasoned activist. He's got sympathetic contacts in the media.
2) following these kinds of events, he plants his story in some small places in the sympathetic press
3) turns out it *really* feeds the anti-Trump narrative.
4) things go viral, fast. The media is *extremely* good at locking into narratives. Anyone who analyzes media, left, right or center will tell you that.
5) Twitter goes ballistic.

Everything up to step 2 is *extremely* common. Union activists regularly alert local media to strikes to get sympathetic attention. As do protest marchers (think the Women's march). Depending on how it feeds the narrative, things usually stay local or make small national news. This time it exploded. In part because it feeds the narrative so well.

And the CTRL-Left storm trooper on Twitter formed a lynch mob

This was a bit of a perfect storm, IMO. It also was a very good distraction from Muller calling out the national press corps for running with that really bad story about Cohen.

The media was all too happy to get the heat off of themselves.

But guys, guys, the energy charge in the dynamic promotes defensive aggression to atleast skmedegree. And those fuckin Israel assholes were baiting the sbit out of the crowd .

Which has, of course, backfired.

And they the kids were hilariously competing

Eh, the kids were rallying themselves. People do that. It was a way for key elements of the students to get the attention of the *other* students off the Black Israelites.

Instead of them yelling "HATE" they called back with "Homosexuals are people too" and started singing hyms

But the Indian guy getting his drum sing over there steps right into the static field

From the standpoint of crowd and narrative control among the students makes a lot of sense.

Honestly, singing hymns and things is a very good response to that kind of thing.

Bro I'm conceding that pratel, they have every entitelyment to rally

admitedly the native american man did a bit to defuse the situation with the black israelies but shame it wasent with good intentions

It's like when people stand outside Neo-Nazi marchers with signs declaring they don't like the Neo-Nazis and singing the national anthem or something to deny the Neo-Nazis space.

Especially with these ducks baiting them

Fucks*

You have every right to peaceble assembly, and no one did anything violent

No one one claimed violence oxxured!

Nor that they cant assemble

I was honestly very impressed with the kids during the whole incident.

also i have something to add to why tim might have been soft about this

Alright so Patel

The BHI clearly was trying to provoke the students to get violent with dirrected verbal attacks on them

The one student who

styx got his video on this topic flagged by youtube early this morning

Addresses the topic of land theft, to the Indian guy, charging natives with stealin ng from aboriginals, and dimissin ng.land theft as the way of the world

i think tim is conscious of a lot of things styx does because styx is one of the barometers of youtube, if something happens to styx you know where a line is, and because styx does morning coverage that means tim gets a heads up

I don't know too much about that to be honest. I was always more interested in the overall crowd dynamics at play.

I'd have to look into it.

That, from the student, to the indis. guy, is not violence and he didnt walo up to theIndian, but the tone and tenor of 'you people' is present and on a subject with clear historicity ,

Dude that is the crowd dynamic

Tone and tenor bro

I have a suspicion alot of these kids had never been to an event like that before. But the overall group dynamics were fascinating in their own way.

Dude this case is amazing lol

I can't read what you typed.

I think discord ate what you wrote.

Sorry my phone using a new keyboard app

I have been going back and forth after calling out Storm Troopers in the Lynch Mob, one of them responded so I presented a lot of the case for the students

The student who is flippant to the drumming guy kn the topic of your land being stolen from you, and totally inaccurate historically, is one of many observable factors in the crowd dynamic

She is a self destribed Native American so she is convinced no mater what that the students disrespected the FN group

im curious to see if this story will disapear into thin air and how long it will take, because in full context it doesent look good for the narritive. actually frankly its one of the worse in full context's for the narritive situations ive seen in a while

No j think its life span will have some legs

@Arch-Fiend tomorrow.

Mark my words. there will be some report or something that will take the top spot in the news.

And that will be the next shiny.

Hate Group verbally accosts students who respond with Hyms and then a FN group wanders into the students and does a medicine song only to claim to be attacked?

Given the fact that over a short time span, shifting of conclusions can be counted

Alright khan

Claim to be attack ed d

unfortunately no matter how much fox news has improved, they still dont really have the ability to wrasp a narritive away from cnn

Is that a fair shake you are giving them on their statements?

when cnn reports something different tomarrow thats what people will talk about

That they "claim to be attacked"

The first Meme jpeg was that they were stationary and then surrounded by the students.

The Indian guy makes memes?

I think he's being facetious. That was the narrative.

Supposed to be from a female in the FN group

But guys, said narrative in your premiseb wasn't originated by the guy who, was just represented as having "claimed to be attacked "

And his first talks to the media supported the meme.

The FNG was minding it's own buisnese when the students surrounded them.

Alright well that's more details, the female, but dudes If there is measursnke destruction in the discourse by false false conclusions, you gotta commit to a mantra to try and not be subject to making false conclusions

ahh, can you redo that with voice to text?

And a supposed female in the group group being the supposed evidence of bad faith, is poor discovery

Being female? no. But there's pretty clear factions in this story. And we should expect people will be trying to steer the narrative according to their faction.

I am not trying to be a dick but I don't understand what you put in.

I got to go, IRL stuff.

night Pratel

No, the reach to conclude that this meme point that was made, and is being sold as a confirmed attribution to this female FN member, so as to establish certainty in their motives, but isnt by any means confirmed

Is bad judgement

Ok. The source of the meme is to me unknown. However it was sent out by someone who had access to video taken onsite. That means someone who was party to the events, faction unknown. That was the first thing.

Intial statements made by members of the FNG support the meme but correct it so that the short video clips can be used.

Do you have a link to those , I'm trying to establish they're initial state.ents

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2019/01/19/students-in-maga-hats-mock-native-american-after-rally/

good night

Sorry had company. Is there any links to initial claims by the native march attendees, that the youth group had made the approach, and not the nathan Phillip's guy walking up to them?

why is it that the only source so many news outlets use is AP? CBC/BBC/CNN/Snopes they all use the single interviews done by AP instead of sending their own reporters out. Have News outlets become that lazy?

yes

and they suffer for it

It's been this way for a long time. People assume the different news sources are different. In truth, they usually republish the AP. This often includes Fox News.

Look for AP attributions and bizarrely similar language and details across news companies. Once you see it, it becomes uncanny.

I've joked for some time about lefties who will reject an AP article if it's reprinted by Breitbart.

we have a means

Yo, opinions, is this freshie "stateless socialist" brave for actually attending and asking questions at a right wing event? https://youtu.be/Y9O-NoccXQQ

brave ?

umm socialism is everyone owns the labor of everyone

lol

Equal access to everyone is equal amounts of enslavement.

yeah, because whoever coordinates that equalization is the one with actual power

communism makes it the government

and that's USUALLY what happens in socialism

https://medium.com/@AspieSavant/16-basis-principles-of-mass-indoctrination-8ee8b179cf4a

The voting thing is false though.

Also, the picture for 14 has things somewhat reversed

somewhat false. The reason why Trump got in is because the republicans got complacent, expecting RINOs vs Neolibs to go on forever. Pretty much everyone expected the public to reject him. By the time the republicans considered Bern'ing him it would have been suicidal to do so

Alternatively, everyone in the political world knew about Clinton's dirt and expected campaigners to sabotage her through over confidence, if so it never actually mattered who the Republican candidate was so they might as well have had some fun with Trump

That's why I didn't vote in the 2016 election. I probably would have voted for Bernie if he had won the nomination, but at the time I knew too much about Clinton to want to vote for her, and I had bought in to enough of the anti-Trump narrative that I didn't want to vote for him either.

the right had no way of berning him, the republicans have been in a state of fragmentation since the end of the bush administration, they arnt a united order with supreme power of political manipulation the same way the dnc was, bernie WAS very populer as a canadate against hillery at all points during his campaign as trump was on the republican side, but the republican side, they were both consitered outsiders by their respective partys, the big difference was the solidarity to focus the most onto a single canadate that the dnc had which the republicans did not have, not to mention the republicans kinda wanted to win so as the underdog they went with what was the best chance where the dnc went with what was most safe for them

I feel like you're forgetting the pushback against Trump from establishment Republicans. They hated him and wanted to replace him, but they couldn't because of the momentum he had. NeverTrumpers. Bernie got the treatment he did because, for all her faults, Hillary was a viable candidate (as evidenced by the amount of votes she pulled). As much as people like to wave the Sanders flag, I think he would have genuinely lost harder against Trump. Ultimately the Republicans' overall weakness is precisely what allowed Trump to shit all over their preferred candidates and hijack their ticket, they just didn't realize what would happen until it was too late

I disagree, a lot of bernie supporters just plain didn't vote or voted for Trump because of the DNCs handling of the entire event.
Clinton may have had a lot of votes, but how many of those were from states like California where most of them were not needed to get all the electoral collage votes.

This was written in another server by a person who is in their own words an "abolish private property" socialist
Those kids are problematic. They were being extremely rude and mocking an Indigenous man. I don’t think that his chanting—which was fairly intense—was well-advised, but it wasn’t the worst thing. You can see in one video the kids getting a little weirded out and not sure how to respond. I think if a few kids hadn’t started some chanting, they would have all stopped. But they didn’t. They decided to go along with it, surround him, and jump up and down while mock-chanting to the beat he was drumming. I’m not sure if this was racist or stupid high school boy shit but neither is appropriate. They could have decided to not follow along with that behavior and they chose poorly.

I’m a little tired of journalists pretending like every little detail dramatically changes the narrative surrounding a story. It’s dishonest reporting and bullshit, quite frankly. And this often comes from centrists and people who aren’t as liberal as they think they are, which possibly tells you something about the spin put into these. I agree that there is a lot of fake outrage passed off in the news cycle from both the right and left, and I don’t think this story is worthy of the attention it’s getting, but so much of this “there are new angles” thing is bullshit. While I disagree with the conclusions of the Atlantic article on this whole debacle, I do agree that it’s a bit of a Rorschach test—you see what you want to see. But that isn’t because it gives little information. It’s because people have political views that guide what they focus on, and unfortunately it seems like most journalists want so badly to try to get past this that they miss the forest for the trees. And that’s worrying considering they’re who we get our news from.

Just so everyone here has a glimpse into the mind of how the far left perceived the situation

... I assume they ignored any additional information that was released?

like the now known facts that the indians marched up to and into the crowd of students in the first place?

Fuck anyone who says "problematic" instantly you just know a load of bs is coming

weasel words

@The Yellow King that was post RNC giving up. They had already lost their candidates, and the Never Trumpers were set in their ways.
As for Bernie, anyone who owns or wishes to run a business and has a good head on their shoulders would vote against him. Neolibs would have to pinch their noses and go with Trump or risk getting dicked over by a guy who thinks businesses should fail before paying less in employee benefits. Dude got rocked by Ted Cruz and a random crowd member. He would have been destroyed lol

The second paragraph is pretty much what ive heard most die hard trumpers complain about whenever the media talks about turmp

though the second to last sentence is reverseed

Normally the right would say that the journalists are trying to make this a major issue