Message from @pratel

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2019-01-21 03:16:42 UTC  

But first this entire obsurd episode with this high school group, Tim has been twitter storming his umbrage of the facts getting lost in the blizzard of coverage and unfair treatment, while he himself jukes and jives around inconvenient matters of fact available in the documentary evidence

2019-01-21 03:18:08 UTC  

Bad faith Tim, low standards

2019-01-21 04:00:43 UTC  

I suspect Tim is being pressured.

2019-01-21 04:01:01 UTC  

If he says what he's actually thinking, he'll be deplatformed and lose access to important contacts.

2019-01-21 04:02:08 UTC  

So he's stuck in a realm of floating around in a state where it's not 100% clear what he's thinking. Of course, the left isn't having it anyways (nothing short of complete lunatic assault on the right is unacceptable) and alot of the right is getting weirded out and confused.

2019-01-21 04:02:32 UTC  

But you can even see his stance on Free speech has been moderated in the recent months. Which struck me as odd.

2019-01-21 04:02:57 UTC  

Unless you realize that stuff like the "alternative influence network" is believed by extremely powerful people who could remove him in a heartbeat.

2019-01-21 04:03:05 UTC  

I can say from what I have seen, it is clear the students were set up for a hit peice and smear jobs. This was a consciense effort from the First Nations Group.

2019-01-21 04:03:09 UTC  

I think he's trying to thread a needle.

2019-01-21 04:03:27 UTC  

Of course. Most of what you hear from protest groups at D.C. is manufactured.

2019-01-21 04:03:41 UTC  

Or really any kind of "man on the street" videos.

2019-01-21 04:04:00 UTC  

There's limits, of course, but it's not like the media has been lying for decades.

2019-01-21 04:04:18 UTC  

The Israel-Palestine conflict is the worst.

2019-01-21 04:04:24 UTC  

Given everything and with how the First Nation members have had toe ammend their statements and wtiht the 2 hour video debunking many justifications it is clear that the First Nation group is acting in bad faith

2019-01-21 04:04:26 UTC  

He isnt saying what he is actually thinking, then? Because so far is sentiment on twitter atleast, has been that he has confidence in concluding the matters as he states them, which is a conclusion that doesn't align with a "liberal" position .

2019-01-21 04:04:49 UTC  

He can't waffle on twitter. Too few characters.

2019-01-21 04:05:01 UTC  

There are no more liberal possitions. especialy not on twitter

2019-01-21 04:05:20 UTC  

Honestly, I kinda wish Tim would just go with a more "just the facts" statement, without editorializing in general. But to each their own.

2019-01-21 04:05:39 UTC  

Actually, the media bias and lying is primarily via exclusion and subtly shifting the frame.

2019-01-21 04:05:52 UTC  

The editorializing is he MO honestly

2019-01-21 04:06:03 UTC  

It's what's in the headlines. What gets in the article.

2019-01-21 04:06:06 UTC  

@Khanclansith Really? I'm super curious as to how you arrive at them being some setup victims of a greater "hit piece"

2019-01-21 04:06:11 UTC  

The subtle choices of words.

2019-01-21 04:06:26 UTC  

It's what I find to be just mystifying

2019-01-21 04:06:34 UTC  

Well, for one thing, there was a camera just in the right position...

2019-01-21 04:06:45 UTC  

Which isn't that unusual. But the editing was done on purpose.

2019-01-21 04:07:13 UTC  

Nathan (the Native American who was leading the group) has been known to create racial ruckuses before.

2019-01-21 04:07:19 UTC  

The first call was the false meme JPEG that went out claiming the MAGA students attacked the FN group.

2019-01-21 04:07:23 UTC  

Probably with a similar MO.

2019-01-21 04:07:35 UTC  

2 Nathan himself as Pratel stated

2019-01-21 04:07:58 UTC  

It's actually not unusual among more radical minority organizations.

2019-01-21 04:08:04 UTC  

3 the long video doesn't have any of the "Build a wall" or anything else in the audio

2019-01-21 04:08:06 UTC  

There's loads of content to consume and cultivate a thorough assessment, which does not lead to the determin nation that definitely absolves the group

2019-01-21 04:08:27 UTC  

The real target isn't the middle or the right, they want to build support among the left for their own small organization.

2019-01-21 04:08:34 UTC  

4 the Hate group was ignored in all statements until it was called out

2019-01-21 04:08:54 UTC  

Starting fights with obviously right-leaning groups and playing victim is common.

2019-01-21 04:09:21 UTC  

5 the FN moved right into the middle of the students and got right in their face trying to provoke reactions

2019-01-21 04:09:21 UTC  

And this comes from the kinds of manuals and textbooks that are passed around those grievance studies programs.

2019-01-21 04:09:53 UTC  

I'd actually bet the FN guys had contacts in the media to push the narrative exactly.

2019-01-21 04:09:56 UTC  

indtead of like one would think from the FN Member's statements form a barrier between the two to keep peace

2019-01-21 04:10:31 UTC  

One of the tricks of radical action is to convince people they aren't seeing what they're actually seeing.