Message from @Blackhawk342

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2019-01-20 04:45:01 UTC  

When others do not provide them services, their rights are being infringed?

2019-01-20 04:45:02 UTC  

I've answered this question in detail with nuances multiple times

2019-01-20 04:45:14 UTC  

Depending on the service, yes and no.

2019-01-20 04:45:19 UTC  

Provided they can pay for it yes

2019-01-20 04:45:26 UTC  

Walmart yes, cake shop no

2019-01-20 04:45:45 UTC  

So, some of those left wing people in that hypothetical left wing area would be allowed to deny the right winger service, but some wouldn't.

2019-01-20 04:46:09 UTC  

So, people have an inherent right to buy any product they want that isn't an artistic expression?

2019-01-20 04:46:36 UTC  

Read what I said earlier about artistic. It has nothing to do with art

2019-01-20 04:47:10 UTC  

People have the right to not be cordoned off from the market by arbitrary means.

2019-01-20 04:47:23 UTC  

Provided it is for sale at an amount they can afford yes

2019-01-20 04:47:37 UTC  

That's obviously part of what I'm saying

2019-01-20 04:49:00 UTC  

Arbitrary means, or arbitrary reasons?

2019-01-20 04:49:21 UTC  

Reasons. My mistake

2019-01-20 04:50:17 UTC  

But one can be cordoned from the market for concrete, grounded reasons?

2019-01-20 04:50:45 UTC  

If they run around naked with human blood dripping from their mouths screaming about how they want to eat your kids, yes they can legally get fucked.

2019-01-20 04:51:40 UTC  

"You physically present signs of association with violent criminals, a demographic that is statistically shown to hurt my commercial revenue every month and property values."

2019-01-20 04:52:30 UTC  

Nope. That's a generalization. Has to be specifically the person in question.

2019-01-20 04:53:00 UTC  

So, one cannot use statistics as a reason to allow or deny services.

2019-01-20 04:53:06 UTC  

Businesses do have the right to impose dress codes if they would like

2019-01-20 04:53:11 UTC  

If some black guy in a button up comes in and you don't sell him chips cause a gang banger is his same race that is bad.

2019-01-20 04:53:19 UTC  

Outlining what is and is not acceptable to wear to their establishment

2019-01-20 04:53:19 UTC  

Listen, don't get into politics. The insurance agencies will make sure you shoot yourself in the back of the head 5 times.

2019-01-20 04:53:48 UTC  

Yeah if you want to have a dress code as part of your store's terms then go ahead. Dress is an action that can be changed.

2019-01-20 04:53:56 UTC  

So is physical presentation.

2019-01-20 04:54:23 UTC  

So, you can deny someone their right to a service because of how they choose to look.

2019-01-20 04:54:51 UTC  

Geez, did the Supreme Court rule that physical presentation is protected speech? I hope not.

2019-01-20 04:55:10 UTC  

Not just presentation. Anything that is an action that the store wants to prohibit, that anyone can make an effort to meet the requirements. You can tell someone to fuck off if they have no pants.

2019-01-20 04:55:16 UTC  

Oh the supreme court?

2019-01-20 04:55:48 UTC  

Would you like me to pull up the case where the Supreme court told someone to make signs that the creator didnt want to?

2019-01-20 04:55:49 UTC  

You can tell someone to leave if you don't like the shirt they wear.

2019-01-20 04:56:13 UTC  

Say if it says "Make America Great Again" or "Black Lives Matter".

2019-01-20 04:56:38 UTC  

If you have a posted dress code then yes

2019-01-20 04:56:53 UTC  

K no that's fucked Blackhawk

2019-01-20 04:57:04 UTC  

The dress code has to be based on something like cleanliness.

2019-01-20 04:57:14 UTC  

So only certain *kinds* of physical presentation are regulated.

2019-01-20 04:57:45 UTC  

I dunno, man, I'm not seeing the underlying ideology here.

2019-01-20 04:57:55 UTC  

You aren't seeing the bigger picture. The only reason dress is being brought up is because of external reasons like hygiene.

2019-01-20 04:58:14 UTC  

Style can't be policed

2019-01-20 04:58:24 UTC  

if you post a dress code that says you need a suit and tie

2019-01-20 04:58:33 UTC  

Black tie dinners are like that yeah

2019-01-20 04:58:35 UTC  

and someone shows up in black lives matter t shirt they can fuck off