Message from @Arch-Fiend

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2019-01-21 04:10:45 UTC  

Alright so addressing point by point, if I may. Which, thanks for laying those out by the way

2019-01-21 04:10:46 UTC  

It's why ANTIFA screams 'peaceful protest' while throwing firecrackers.

2019-01-21 04:11:08 UTC  

6 we already have people taking down the proof that students were reacting to the hate group multiple times

2019-01-21 04:11:09 UTC  

It's not that ANTIFA actually cares, it's because they want to convince onlookers that they're not 'violent'

2019-01-21 04:11:39 UTC  

It ruins videos showing them attacking people because it 're-contextualizes' the scene.

2019-01-21 04:11:48 UTC  

Do I need to keep going?

2019-01-21 04:12:21 UTC  

This might not have been planed in advance, but it was what the military would call a "Target of Opertunity."

2019-01-21 04:12:25 UTC  

Radical left groups will actually rehearse certain actions with members observing for a distance to try and control media spin and manipulate the image given out.

2019-01-21 04:12:49 UTC  

This also, by the way, is why it can be hard for people like Tim to get good information from their protests. They have 'trained' PR people in the wings.

2019-01-21 04:13:00 UTC  

1 - is there any content you can link unto for the Indian guys history youmentioned? I caught mentions of an incident regarding college students having face paint and responding aggressively to him, but not not anythin ngg further

2019-01-21 04:14:47 UTC  

Hold on a sec. do you have something on that incident? It sounds very similar.

2019-01-21 04:14:59 UTC  

The long video, which one of the black aggressors is shooting, has loads of dialogue amongst the group themselves but also in rpwaknse to the black guys championing trump punch lines

2019-01-21 04:15:05 UTC  

But do we have the extended video from a 3rd party in that instance?

2019-01-21 04:15:55 UTC  

The question was if Nathan Phillips has a history of trying to create provocations. If he did this before, it would explain a lot, would it not?

2019-01-21 04:17:00 UTC  

The youth group, that is. Make america great again, as well as 'it a guys like you here are why dobals trump is our presidebt" is audible im n various points in n the long video

2019-01-21 04:18:49 UTC  

It could lend an entry point angle for us to consider that could help determine a motive. But dude those black guys were a significant flash point in this whole th in ng

2019-01-21 04:19:09 UTC  

You're changing the topic. I don't think that really says much. If they're wearing MAGA hats, it would be more strange for them not to say pro-Trump memes.

2019-01-21 04:19:56 UTC  

Honestly, I don't see where "build the wall" really says much of anything at all. There's alot of people there, it wouldn't even be necessarily clear who "build the wall" would be said by or who it is directed to.

2019-01-21 04:19:59 UTC  

No no. I'm going point by point, Klaf stated earlier in his point 3

2019-01-21 04:20:09 UTC  

Though I haven't heard "build the wall" myself.

2019-01-21 04:20:24 UTC  

an interesting thing about it is that, of that entire group of 50-70 highschoolers, only 10 or 12 actually had a lot of MAGA merchindice on them, yet the guy claiming to be afraid of the MAGApedies not only directs his attention to that one in particuler but chooses to move into him so much that it slowly displaces the crowd making it form around them when origenally that kid was on the outside of a bubble of people.

2019-01-21 04:20:35 UTC  

Theres no presence of build a wall or anything elseb

2019-01-21 04:20:43 UTC  

Was his point number 3

2019-01-21 04:22:11 UTC  

i also kinda see what khan is talking about with camera angles consitering the holder of that camera was not conserned about standing back and showing a large group of people until nathan begins chanting and pushing his way into the group in which case the camera zooms in to the point you get frames like those where basicly you only see the one kid and nathan

2019-01-21 04:22:23 UTC  

I think it's probably more a feature of pushing towards a particular person

2019-01-21 04:22:24 UTC  

Which in n the black dudes video, theres audible token trump lines and general championing, which Ithink is fine, but Kim seeing points being made frequently asserting that it's not in the video. It ja

2019-01-21 04:23:30 UTC  

i think the idea was to actually try and provoke even more from those highschoolers, but it ended up only getting as much as it did, which is really all they needed to spin a story in this yellow journalistic modern world

2019-01-21 04:24:20 UTC  

i actually think those highschoolers reacted as well as they posibly could have

2019-01-21 04:24:39 UTC  

So wait, journalists along with event attendees have anticipated or engineered a conflict to .manufacture controverys?

2019-01-21 04:24:58 UTC  

with a camera on them like that any agressive (probably defensive) body language or expressions would have made the media coverage worse

2019-01-21 04:25:38 UTC  

i dont know about journalists but activists sure do

2019-01-21 04:26:44 UTC  

I can say I have had Native Hawaiians try to provoke an fight with me using the "Breath greeting" and then got pissed off when I knew what they were doing

2019-01-21 04:27:07 UTC  

personally i thought the kid they singled out looked dopey, but they turned that into smug, if he looked defensive, theyd turn that into agressive

2019-01-21 04:28:51 UTC  

So maybe I can summarize all this in a better way...I'm 32 and back in high school my friends and I made everything a shit show. We had a section in the stands Section R for us to be rowdy kn at our games , but wed get wild in unison while kn the gold course , and we had a ball, it was awesome

2019-01-21 04:28:59 UTC  

i think journalists at the top of the pyramid rarely ever go about manufacturing drama, because they have people lower on the steps like this who will do it for them without any direct line of collusion. this kind of thing happens all the time, the big journalists simply troll through all the examples every day and pick the best ones to whatever end they want

2019-01-21 04:30:07 UTC  

We were just like these dudes with energized poisitin in ng, and had we encountered those black dudes, it would have been game on j the same manner

2019-01-21 04:30:14 UTC  

@caykoh yes, but it's not quite as sinister as you make it sound.
1) Nathan Phillips is a seasoned activist. He's got sympathetic contacts in the media.
2) following these kinds of events, he plants his story in some small places in the sympathetic press
3) turns out it *really* feeds the anti-Trump narrative.
4) things go viral, fast. The media is *extremely* good at locking into narratives. Anyone who analyzes media, left, right or center will tell you that.
5) Twitter goes ballistic.

Everything up to step 2 is *extremely* common. Union activists regularly alert local media to strikes to get sympathetic attention. As do protest marchers (think the Women's march). Depending on how it feeds the narrative, things usually stay local or make small national news. This time it exploded. In part because it feeds the narrative so well.

2019-01-21 04:31:05 UTC  

And the CTRL-Left storm trooper on Twitter formed a lynch mob

2019-01-21 04:31:20 UTC  

This was a bit of a perfect storm, IMO. It also was a very good distraction from Muller calling out the national press corps for running with that really bad story about Cohen.

2019-01-21 04:31:33 UTC  

The media was all too happy to get the heat off of themselves.