It's not either or

Exactly which is why Kavanaugh would have a very hard time suing her for defamation.

He can't prove she's lying.

Her claim that she was victimized and Kavanaugh's claim that he is innocent can both simultaneously be true

She can also wholeheartedly believe it was him, and that could be false

Which means she isn't lying

It's Hanlons razor

And occom's razor

Dual wielded.

There's also the possibility he has forgotten.

Presume she's wrong first. If there's no explaining it that way, you can begin to presume she's lying

Also possible.

To her, it could be the day he took everything from her. To him, it was Thursday.

https://youtu.be/iVzAMmpMra8 for anyone who doesn't get the reference

There is no proof for either side, if it did happen and was tried when it happened, it would have been in a sealed record. And if this was a character flaw and not an example of a teen who had yet to figure out his alcohol limit, there would be more accusations that sound credible.

And not over a hundred people standing with Kavanaugh, signing their names to letters.

The evidence for claims against Kav was in Kav's favor.

But dont forget tim “give more credit to fords allegation”

Because she has “nothing to gain”

Exempt 500k+

No book deal or hbo show yet either

Like they gave that bitch who accused Clarence thomas

"exempt 500k+ and her party delaying the vote until after they might have more power"

@Timcast i feel like sometimes you are right on but damn when you miss you just turn around from the target and shot in the other direction

She didn't set the gofundme things up.

you cant claim ford is guna make moeny when other ppl set up gofundmes

zealotry is the most likely reason

but i think she is just confused

plain and simple

this whole Kav vs Ford thing is modern witch hunt... though maybe sorcerer hunt would be more appropriate name.

"Warlock Hunt"

@grant I was referring to people's dismissal of her as a liar. I didn't mean her claims = proof.

I think we can't assume more without evidence.

I think we cant assume anything without evidence

https://youtu.be/xJBHzMSbvYk

Unfortunately some people can

"Title IX courts are just on campus. Once people go to the real world they'll learn."

"I don't think the significant increase in divide between Americans started with Trump's election." Change my mind.

I honestly don't think the recent SIGNIFICANT DIVIDE started with Trump's election. While Trump certainly isn't helping the divide, I believe he is merely a symptom of the problem and not the cause. I believe the Left itself has changed & this change is connected to the media. The divide became noticeably bad around 2010s with the rise of Alt-media, like Buzzfeed, that pushed a different kind of liberalism. Anyone who lives in Southern California, where all this Alt-media resides, knows they hold a different kind of liberalism when compared to the old-school liberalism that used to reside in places, like New York, where the old media used to reside. You can see it in the Identity Politics that are being pushed by these Alt-media companies. It's a more revolutionary liberalism where you see yourself "fighting oppression" rather than lifting others up by reaching out with a compassionate hand. Now don't get me wrong, each side has been drifting away from the center thus contributing to the problem but I think the Leftwing overall bears a lot more responsibility for the divide than they're willing to admit...at least currently.

Again, Trump is not helping the situation & I wish he would stop being such an @sshole sometimes but I can't ignore the division the Left's identity politics have caused, unlike so many people in the mainstream media do. It's quite clear the Left is lurching closer & closer to the extreme as shown by PEW Research, who is extremely trustworthy btw. You can also see this with the rise of DSA, who literally chant "No borders, No walls, No USA at all." There is even a growing distain for having simple conversations on the Left even with people who are moderate. I myself hold liberal views (Ex. Pro-choice, Pro-LGBT, Pro-weed, Pro-social programs) as well as a few Conservative viewpoints (Ex. Pro-gun) but I can't even have a conversation with most members of the modern left anymore. It's scary. I didn't even vote for Trump and I don't think I will but to them I'm somehow still a far-right Nazi. Basically what I'm saying is I think the significant rise in division is coming from the fact Left's new ideological base resides in California, which has a radical different set of principles, than that of the old school, working class Left that dominated New York.

I personally put the entire blame on the schools and academic left.

In degrees like sociology, there's actually more radicals than moderates of any stripe.

And they've been crossing fields to write the textbooks.

And fund the museums.

And define the curricula.

All of this, the race-and-sex-centrism, the "anyone not with us is the right," the need to rabid direct activism anywhere and everywhere possible was foreshadowed in the academies since the 90s.

And they've raised a generation to think like them.

The rise of the new left alt-media is a strong driver, but it's water on a seed.

I wouldn't put all the blame on the Left but I can't ignore what I've seen coming from the Left. The things I've seen are quite disconcerting.

It's extremely concerning.

I've been in a very left-wing place (academia).

What people are seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Kavanaugh circus is far fairer than a Title IX investigation.

I've seen people submit evidence for Title IX courts (hard, solid alibis--not merely hearsay) and get it not only rejected but then lose jobs.

Because it contradicted the woman.

People don't realize where this is all headed.

It's really not a working class left either.

The word I've heard is that it's anew Brahmin left.

It sees itself as the sole moral authority and just wants to pass around money as a way of asserting more power.

Make the people dependent on your cash and you gain more control.

They won't say it that way, but they will believe they are doing "the best thing" and that the working class doesn't understand what's best for them ("what's wrong with Kansas?")

Just as much to the point, the activist elements drive out any opposition leaving an echo chamber that cannot take any form of dissent on any issue whatsoever.

As such they won't accept considerations of contradictions or "capitalist frames"

Like, you can't point out that both Islam and Christianity aren't exactly fond of homosexuality.

Not even recommend a course of action. Just point out the fact.

The scary part is that in the rush to oppose Trump, the old left is coming on board.

So yes, I agree with you, the new left is very different from the old left and has been around long before Trump and would emerge even without Trump.

But it's only getting worse. And even if Trump were removed from office tomorrow, they'll only get more authoritarian once they have power.

Look at the crowd funding site than banned all Republicans from their site.

Which one again?

I forget the name, Timpool did a story on it a while back.

Personally, I'm still really deeply concerned about that Obama Tea Party Tax scandal. That's what the new left believes is just. And I have no doubt they'll do it again with more force next time.

Or what happened in Wisconsin with the morning raids.

I'm on SSI, literally dependant on handouts, but I'm at the point wehre I can't support the modern left, a right winger who wants to cut off all my support programs and force me to wage slave or starve is more trustworthy because they don't want to mind control me.

Bernie Sanders is too far to the right for them because he's a Nordic Capitlaist instead of Full Venezuela.

@@Risotto , where do you hang your hat?

Washington state

Ayy PNW

I blame it on the 24 Hours news cycle and advertisement based entertainment.

The news networks needed to continually ramp up events to get viewers/clicks so they kept pushing things farther and farther.

There's a lot of moneyt o be made treating real life like it's pro wrestling

There's even a heel in the white house now

actually IIRC

Trump was the face when he was in WWE

cause Vince almost always played the Heel.

We need a president who can actually sell a stunner though

Trump's are pretty limp

So Dolph Ziggler 2020?

This was a really good breakdown of the hearing and the moral aspects of it. Also talked a bit about the left and "civil war". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz2qQ_PswI

Fak it doesn't embed.

no embeds allowed in this text channel

Yeah I noticed.

No cigar smoking allowed? That 's insane

I remember the uptight 80s and it wasn't this bad

@Knights Armament I'm going to mostly agree and add that if you're looking for a specific early example of Leftist identity politics causing divide, look no further than the Atheism+ movement that started back in 2012. The insertion of ideas that feminism and intersectionality are key aspects of being a proper skeptic caused a huge rift in the Atheist community, and even back then you had things similar to the more modern #metoo movement with that one lady who claimed to be sexually assaulted in an elevator by some prominent member of the Atheist community. Caused huge schisms along the same lines we see today (believe victims vs. innocent until proven guilty). The only difference is these politics have become much more visible in the mainstream now especially with them becoming increasingly dominant in institutions like Academia and Journalism. Trumps election is absolutely a symptom of the problem but his pushback also fuels the divide. Whether or not you can call that his fault is an entirely different discussion that I would be conflicted on, although I learn towards it mostly not being his fault.

Richard Dawkins

isnt he that biologist?

He was a popular voice of skeptics

Cause of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

Sorry let me correct that, she wasn't sexually assaulted in an elevator. A man said at an elevator that he found her attractive and asked to come up for coffee which she took exception to in a video and a slate article. Dawkins weighed in that complaining about that is basically being whiny esp considering the guy left her alone after that and never layed a finger on her.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/10/sexism_in_the_skeptic_community_i_spoke_out_then_came_the_rape_threats.html Article for the curious

yeah, i know of that book :)