Message from @pratel

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2019-01-21 04:08:34 UTC  

4 the Hate group was ignored in all statements until it was called out

2019-01-21 04:08:54 UTC  

Starting fights with obviously right-leaning groups and playing victim is common.

2019-01-21 04:09:21 UTC  

5 the FN moved right into the middle of the students and got right in their face trying to provoke reactions

2019-01-21 04:09:21 UTC  

And this comes from the kinds of manuals and textbooks that are passed around those grievance studies programs.

2019-01-21 04:09:53 UTC  

I'd actually bet the FN guys had contacts in the media to push the narrative exactly.

2019-01-21 04:09:56 UTC  

indtead of like one would think from the FN Member's statements form a barrier between the two to keep peace

2019-01-21 04:10:31 UTC  

One of the tricks of radical action is to convince people they aren't seeing what they're actually seeing.

2019-01-21 04:10:45 UTC  

Alright so addressing point by point, if I may. Which, thanks for laying those out by the way

2019-01-21 04:10:46 UTC  

It's why ANTIFA screams 'peaceful protest' while throwing firecrackers.

2019-01-21 04:11:08 UTC  

6 we already have people taking down the proof that students were reacting to the hate group multiple times

2019-01-21 04:11:09 UTC  

It's not that ANTIFA actually cares, it's because they want to convince onlookers that they're not 'violent'

2019-01-21 04:11:39 UTC  

It ruins videos showing them attacking people because it 're-contextualizes' the scene.

2019-01-21 04:11:48 UTC  

Do I need to keep going?

2019-01-21 04:12:21 UTC  

This might not have been planed in advance, but it was what the military would call a "Target of Opertunity."

2019-01-21 04:12:25 UTC  

Radical left groups will actually rehearse certain actions with members observing for a distance to try and control media spin and manipulate the image given out.

2019-01-21 04:12:49 UTC  

This also, by the way, is why it can be hard for people like Tim to get good information from their protests. They have 'trained' PR people in the wings.

2019-01-21 04:13:00 UTC  

1 - is there any content you can link unto for the Indian guys history youmentioned? I caught mentions of an incident regarding college students having face paint and responding aggressively to him, but not not anythin ngg further

2019-01-21 04:14:47 UTC  

Hold on a sec. do you have something on that incident? It sounds very similar.

2019-01-21 04:14:59 UTC  

The long video, which one of the black aggressors is shooting, has loads of dialogue amongst the group themselves but also in rpwaknse to the black guys championing trump punch lines

2019-01-21 04:15:05 UTC  

But do we have the extended video from a 3rd party in that instance?

2019-01-21 04:15:55 UTC  

The question was if Nathan Phillips has a history of trying to create provocations. If he did this before, it would explain a lot, would it not?

2019-01-21 04:17:00 UTC  

The youth group, that is. Make america great again, as well as 'it a guys like you here are why dobals trump is our presidebt" is audible im n various points in n the long video

2019-01-21 04:18:49 UTC  

It could lend an entry point angle for us to consider that could help determine a motive. But dude those black guys were a significant flash point in this whole th in ng

2019-01-21 04:19:09 UTC  

You're changing the topic. I don't think that really says much. If they're wearing MAGA hats, it would be more strange for them not to say pro-Trump memes.

2019-01-21 04:19:56 UTC  

Honestly, I don't see where "build the wall" really says much of anything at all. There's alot of people there, it wouldn't even be necessarily clear who "build the wall" would be said by or who it is directed to.

2019-01-21 04:19:59 UTC  

No no. I'm going point by point, Klaf stated earlier in his point 3

2019-01-21 04:20:09 UTC  

Though I haven't heard "build the wall" myself.

2019-01-21 04:20:24 UTC  

an interesting thing about it is that, of that entire group of 50-70 highschoolers, only 10 or 12 actually had a lot of MAGA merchindice on them, yet the guy claiming to be afraid of the MAGApedies not only directs his attention to that one in particuler but chooses to move into him so much that it slowly displaces the crowd making it form around them when origenally that kid was on the outside of a bubble of people.

2019-01-21 04:20:35 UTC  

Theres no presence of build a wall or anything elseb

2019-01-21 04:20:43 UTC  

Was his point number 3

2019-01-21 04:22:11 UTC  

i also kinda see what khan is talking about with camera angles consitering the holder of that camera was not conserned about standing back and showing a large group of people until nathan begins chanting and pushing his way into the group in which case the camera zooms in to the point you get frames like those where basicly you only see the one kid and nathan

2019-01-21 04:22:23 UTC  

I think it's probably more a feature of pushing towards a particular person

2019-01-21 04:22:24 UTC  

Which in n the black dudes video, theres audible token trump lines and general championing, which Ithink is fine, but Kim seeing points being made frequently asserting that it's not in the video. It ja

2019-01-21 04:23:30 UTC  

i think the idea was to actually try and provoke even more from those highschoolers, but it ended up only getting as much as it did, which is really all they needed to spin a story in this yellow journalistic modern world

2019-01-21 04:24:20 UTC  

i actually think those highschoolers reacted as well as they posibly could have

2019-01-21 04:24:39 UTC  

So wait, journalists along with event attendees have anticipated or engineered a conflict to .manufacture controverys?

2019-01-21 04:24:58 UTC  

with a camera on them like that any agressive (probably defensive) body language or expressions would have made the media coverage worse

2019-01-21 04:25:38 UTC  

i dont know about journalists but activists sure do

2019-01-21 04:26:44 UTC  

I can say I have had Native Hawaiians try to provoke an fight with me using the "Breath greeting" and then got pissed off when I knew what they were doing

2019-01-21 04:27:07 UTC  

personally i thought the kid they singled out looked dopey, but they turned that into smug, if he looked defensive, theyd turn that into agressive

2019-01-21 04:28:51 UTC  

So maybe I can summarize all this in a better way...I'm 32 and back in high school my friends and I made everything a shit show. We had a section in the stands Section R for us to be rowdy kn at our games , but wed get wild in unison while kn the gold course , and we had a ball, it was awesome