oh ok

dammit

that makes sense because I actually think that's part of normal advertising honestly

"this may lose value and its not a savings account" etc

there's a lot of really shady shit that goes on in the crypto youtube space, so I kinda get that

yea i think bearing got hit because he didnt click the "there is paid promo in this video button"

in youtube settings you have to select that there is paid promo in your video

most people dont

but still

its probably why so many ppl got the axe

a quick email saying "we noticed you didn't have this checkbox" do that before X date or we'll be force to terminate your account

rather than just doing that

would be nice

and honestly appropriate, imo

or hell a popup when you login to creator studio like every other thing

streamlabs is a good way to make up for superchat

watching the struggle through the test stream

streamlabs is at least independent

i am worried about twitch though, not for the talentless female streamers, more for the push for inclusivity

and whatever they mean by that

streamlabs doesn't mean twitch

it works through youtube as well

oh i know

also for Tim, i dont know how the chat works for Youtube but maybe look into getting a chat app like Chatty

that way you wont lose track of what people say unless there is like 1000 people talking

dont know the etiquette for this channel when it comes to @ or messaging

hmm it looks like Chatty only works for Twitch but im sure there is something else close to it

I do find it somewhat humorous that, the more sensitive or PC an entity tries to be, whether it's Overwatch banning people for things they say elsewhere, or even Rainbow 6's relatively new "Toxicity" bans, the more toxic the community apparently becomes as it devolves into every time a person steps out of line, the crowd comes down and effectively lynches the user for daring to step out of line...

Interesting, I had no idea that the term Illegal immigrant wasnt a legal term

Unauthorized alien is more neutral and for the moment its not used by either side

its citizen or undocumented. We call them illegals and were racist

I like The Knife's approach to news. What stood out to me from the Paste article was the evasiveness with someone inquiring about a job. I found that odd.

There are so many stupid conventions in language anyway, is it really so hard to agree using undocumented as long as there is a mutual understanding of what that is

I'm mad at twitch because they banned me

and the thing is the reason they banned me isn't complete bullshit, it's just *semi* bullshit

which makes it worse

because I'm mad, but it's also partially my fault

What was the reason?

my avatar was a cartoon of Adolf Hitler with shades, specifically taken from a game allowed on Twitch

and even in the context of the game it isn't Hitler, it's some dumb demon pretending to be him

now if it had been a real photo of him I'd understand it, but it wasn't

and like I said, it's taken directly from a game that's 100% allowed on Twitch

that and it was a permanent account suspension with no prior history

so I can't entirely blame them, but at the same time it seems really stupid

the image in question https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images/4/48/Fuhrer.png

idk, I can get them, but at the same time it's annoying

the moral of the story is never do anything because it might offend someone

and if all else fails, give up

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even if you did have a picture of hitler on your profile

I dont see how that would be grounds to ban you

Id understand the decision it's just a silly one considering it's just a picture

if the picture had sent some sort of message behind it besides just arbitrarily being a picture then that's different

either way, sorry to hear about your situation

I’ve seen others use that as an avatar @AwesomeGuy42 it’s clearly a harmless meme. But unfortunately this generations moral panic has infected the tech companies something awful.

They just want to avoid any negative pr

Its less painful to ban few memers

Then have wsj on their ass

Also the murican liberal elite is half mad with paranoia that half their country is clearly fascist because Hilary lost

good luck @Timcast ❤ hope you're able to stream again on the main channel soon

uh.... huh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-44281586?ocid=socialflow_twitter

...when YouTube employees a normy boomer that thinks hemp is dwugs

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-two-police-officers-shot-12614595?1

Oi mate you got a license for those lyrics?

wow man.... are replies to Tims twitter posts always so cancerous? https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1001307114596429824?s=20

Imagine if a black person was explaining something to a white person, because the white person clearly didn't understand what they were talking about, and the white person said "oh youre just blacksplaining" - its clearly language used to undermine whatever an <attribute group> says

so basically, youtube demonitizes channels... channels find sponsors.... youtube terminates channels for not giving them a cut of the sponsors... is that roughly whats up?

Seems like a logical conclusion.

"We have developed policies specifically to help tackle videos related to knife crime in the UK and are continuing to work constructively with experts on this issue."

but hey, at least they don't have guns

my grandfather gave up one of his guns

just a year or so back... the license fee went up

bearing got his channel back
https://youtu.be/1NT0E2CU31Y

"DEMAND TRAITOR TRUMPS IMPEACHMENT!
Replying to @Timcast
You had to dig really deep for this Rediculous statement didn't you ? I bet you could use a hug right about now . WTF grow up and grow a pair ."

there is something ironic with someone saying grow a pair with a name like that

"Grow a pair! You know! Like me who cannot accept that i lost"

im assuming Tims plan was to use this "mansplaining is hate speech" tweet to get them all out protecting and "making excuses for hate speech" when I dont think Tim even agrees hate speech is an offense (? could be wrong there?)

More a matter of pointing out hypocricy.

i'd say these are safe assumptions

https://twitter.com/iamshawnjones/status/1001430565256646656?s=19

That one's good for a laugh

i think the next step would be to find or come up with a good female base alternative to the term "mansplaining" as they seem to describe it. Which is basically men being condescending to women. Need to come up with women being condescending to men in areas where men will most likely have more personal experience in.

and ask if it is hatespeech

"BUT TIM! You can't be hateful against Men because power + prejuduce * word salad / Neo-Marxist REEEEEEEEEEE."

so theyre saying woman arent powerful

2.5bn people on this planet are reigned over by a over 90yr old woman

well ignore those, because that is a different argument in which it can't be hate speech against men

there are lot that are saying its not attacking the person but describing a behavior

which to me sounds more like a stereotype but hey

"We shouldn't dilute terms like this. It's not hate speech. Do you think any court in the US would agree with you? "

no us court would agree with hate speech period, but nice try this person

describing the behaviour would be saying "they explained something"

US does have hate speech laws.. but they are only when in connection to a violent crime

"No, these aren't hate speech. These are describing particular ways that men mistreat women. Holding people accountable when they demean others--ESPECIALLY when they have more social power--is not hate speech."

so jailing blacks for committing crimes is good then? Even if they might make up a disproportionate number of crimes committed. perfect, i agree.

they have hate crimes, not really speech

so like.. if you kill someone, its murder, if you kill someone because theyre white or whatever, its a hate crime

its not speech, its motive. they can use speech to try and prove motive to make it a hate crime, but its not the speech itself

true

same goes for trying to prove discrimination

"wow. that's a load of crock. now ppl are creating victims out of themselves to silence others from criticizing their garbage. this is like the incels thing, all over again."

wait, i though incels were mostly white males or some other okay to hate on group? but this guy just described most of the left these days.... so confused. its like they are one step off of self-aware

I am not english, but isn't hate speech just an attack for race gender religion etc reason? And mansplaining is basically used to silence people who are assumed to be condescending/generalizing against women.
Using the mansplaining thing isn't hate speech then, just rude and presumptous...

well, some people would say hate speech is using speech to silence minorities

I don't thing minority matters....

Like in that context

well, marginalized

whatever new word they use to describe people who are protected

also, by denying the problems of an entire gender by dismissing them with one word, could be considered encouraging continued violence against them. I.E. ignoring the complains of a woman that she is being sexually harassed as her just women-complaining or something.

mansplaining can be used in that way, therefore the term is hate speech, because context doesn't matter. like the n word.

I agree that using mansplaining to shut someone up is rude and not nice. But hate speech is a loaded thing that I would not use lightly. Especially if the silencing is not enforced and it just disrupts conversations...

well i think the point is that the term hate-speech is used like every other buzz word, like racism, sexism, islamaphobia

most things called "hate-speech" are mostly people just being dick-bags

and if we'd all stop being snowflakes and just call someone a d-bag and ignore them, move on, or better yet, prove them wrong, things would work themselves out

that's not possible, dave

"Men men spread because we wear genitals outside. If you don’t like, please demand women to contract heir boobs inside of their bodies"

big boobs are demeaning to those with smaller boobs, all women should be forced to strap their boobs down so that we all look like men.

Yeah. If I have the feeling someone is being condescending towards me I tell them...

Why the generalizatiom

I would say attacking the credibility of a person based on their gender should qualify as this hate speech thingie everyone is talking about.

I'm really on the fence because that opens up the whole can words be attacks thing

there's no such thing as hate speech in the US

and there never *should* be

used to say *will* but I dunno anymore

also @I AM ERROR we already have terms for that slander/libel

But that is mostly words that cause your image in general eye damage. If someone insults you with mansplaining just makes them look dumb and out of arguments.

words that have a financial or reputational harm

insulting someone is fair game

and always should be, just walk away and ignore

So, the media is allowed to report on TR arrest now I guess

and they're saying that 1) he pled guilty and 2) he expressed regrets

this is giving rise to people saying he should be there and he committed a crime and the FreeTommy movement should stop now

but you know fuck free speech right?

free speech doesn't exist outside America

only "Speech we agree with"

right

"They wouldn't be given a free trial" .. wait weren't these people in sentencing anyway?

funny fact

the dutch actually have a freedom of speech law,

But its 7th, whilst the freedom of religion is 1st

Hence its a higher priority to openly do your religion than it is to say what you want

but what if your religion is the "religion of free speech"?

it must be a recognised religion

so even a Jedi doesn't count

so now you have a government validating what someone believes is either recognized or not

Also, our freedom of speech law has conditions,

The state may take your right away if it damages reputation, or harms security

yeah we don't have that

never can be taken away

hence, Tommy would be arrested in Netherlands too, on the grounds his livestream would reflect poorly on Muslims

"shall not be infringed" even though we do have slander/libel laws

yeah so that's not what you call "free speech" 😄

exactly

like i said, its "Freedom of things we agree with"

our version doesn't even protect discrimination

If you're being a racist you're not protected

"Yes also all those shouting #freetommy He pleaded GUILTY to contempt of court and breach of suspended sentence. His lawyer said he expressed deep regret ."

Well no one is denying that i think

He had an earlier sentence but got released earlier, and then did this

But this is obviously just a silencing ploy

https://qz.com/1290662/1500-children-were-lost-by-us-immigration-authorities-but-theres-a-problem-with-that-narrative/

1 day conviction, no trial, and british media gets a gag order

well its not actually correct

he didn't plead guilty to CoC

but breaching the peace

which is a new charge

technically should have been a new trial/crime/whatever

well, Britain doesn't share your 5th amendment either

@LotheronPrime slander/libel don‘t specifically target gender and are actually a thing.

that's my point

we already have broader laws on the books, why must they be specialized?

I mean I get the precedent with having hate crime sentencing

dont necessarily agree with it though

The media black out on Tommy Robinson has been lifted. He revived 13 months for attempting to film defendants outside a courthouse. Apparently this is illegal, and it was also clearly posted. Tommy pled guilty and expressed regret.
http://archive.today/dl3TU

wasn't he jsut already repeating what other news outlets had published?

also it was a poor decision, but the underlying free speech issue still exists

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/05/25/what-has-happened-to-poor-tommy-robinson/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I definitely don’t agree with U.K. law on this subject. It is my understanding that the names were already public, but it appears that this was about filming the defendants as they entered the court.

I don’t agree at all with these press blackouts.

exactly

so did he break the law

yes

does it make it right

no

^that's a good lenghty read

the writer *doesn't get it* but it's a good read

"We have a quaint tradition in England and Wales that trial by media should be avoided, and that trial on evidence heard in court is the fairest way to determine a person’s guilt."

^ that doesn't sound like a law, tradition <> law

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo5/15-16/86/section/41

there's a/the law

I can see the reasoning behind hiding/protecting an accused until proven guilty

everyone has rights until proven guilty

I can too, but I, as an American, don't believe that should trample our 1A rights

well, and in America we have the problem that law is designed to prevent. The defense calling for a mistrial. Which is perhaps rightfully so.

but also, a technicality here I'll agree, I believe in this situation, the trail was over and they were going in for sentencing, I could be wrong though

i heard that too, but I think this would all be overturned by now if true

this is an issue of when two rights end up in opposition. Neither can be greater than the other, yet one must come out on top.

and we do have that situation, and mistrials are a thing, buuuut we have times were it didn't end in a mistrial, etc.. like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

freedom of speech vs freedom of a fair trial

I agree

a mistrial isn't a good solution, because then you are potentially letting someone who is very much guilty walk free

and honestly it doesn't come up THAT often to be a big issue to my knowledge

I generally thing that jurors are able to be impartial in most situations, regardless of what they hear in the media

I mean

ultimately I think innocent until proven guilty should play a big part

look at the OJ trial

It’s a complicated situation, but I seriously doubt that Tommy ranting outside a courthouse is really going to change a jury’s mind practically speaking.

^

that we can agree.

but there is spirit of the law, and letter of the law

so while the spirit of the law was probably not broken, the letter of the law technically was

and this is where we get the notion any law will be taken to its extremes

it might not change the jurys mind... but its putting some people in view of millions of people - who may turn out to just be innocent people

but prison seems unjust ... a large fine seems more appropriate (depending on the size of the outlet)

well, he already had a prison sentence

as we discussed

the prison sentence was for the same thing

I thought initially it was for his mortgage problem thing... but hes already done his time for that

this would put our 1A and 5A at odds witch each other.. but I think 1A would win out here

this really is what the supreme court is for i would think

its not so much the right to due process... its the right to live a normal life after trial if not proven guilty

ha, the us has no such right

that's the equivalent of equal opportunity of outcome and is unobtainable

really anyone guilty in public opinion will always be guilty in public opinion unless a "greater evil" comes along to show that they were beyond saintly

but, this is also what slander and libel laws are for too

its equal opportunity

although it sucks in the US that your arrest is not scrubbed by default for a not guilty verdict

unless you go through like 100 hoops and wait 3-5 years

I dont know if you know this or not, but outside of the US,... people see the US as a "suing culture"

yeah that one is archaic

that would be a good topic for Will Chamberlain

we see it as suing culture

what wins, freedom of press or freedom due process

I mean given our history, it's obviously the first

Why was he filming them anyway I mean what good could that do after the defendants were public anyway?

OJ, the Duke Lacross Case, Laci Peterson, and other high profile cases

That’s funny @wacka considering how lose our libel and slander laws are compared to the rest of the world.

I'm sure he was filming to bring attention to it

there are also some other BS things, like if its found you were falsely imprisoned, you could still end up having to pay for any fees related with being released from prison. oh yeah, there are fees with that in some states. They also don't usually pay you for their mistake.

"oh yeah, turns out you were falsely imprisoned and had literally everything taken from you.... too bad, we are not paying you back for that

yeah if you dig deep enough, there's plenty of injustice to be found

false convictions overturned via DNA, etc

its innocent until proven guilty. And if found guilty, you are always guilty even if found not guilty later. you are still guilty

is it wrong, yes, can it be improved, yes, can it be eliminated? probably not

maybe the jurors should pay ;P

also, for profit prisons are a thing

the person making the mistake should be the one paying

well, technically it may not have been a mistake. There may just have been enough evidence to be found guilty, but not enough to show the opposite

I dunno if you could narrow it to a person... theres the arresting police, the evidence gatherers, the prosecution making a case, the jurors etc etc

beyond a reasonable doubt is a tricky thing

I mean wtf is that

its uncalculatable

so yeah, mistakes happen

(always talking US court and laws here people, just FYI)

yeah thats why we had to let the woman go on my case... because the other jurors didnt understand the reasonable doubt thing

fine, the person responsible,

False accusations, the accuser
DNA mistake, the biologist testing it
wrong conviction, the Juror's/judge

and the judge even told them, you should take alll circumstantial evidence into consideration... and some of them were still saying, yeah but its circumstantial...

well and some stuff like finger prints are not actually all that good

but we still use them

pretty sure circumstantial evidence isn't admissible here

this woman... was caught red handed in london heathrow airport, with a suitcase containing 3KG of uncut cocaine.. and still walked 😛

hmm I guess it is