Message from @LotheronPrime

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2018-05-29 13:52:40 UTC  

but what if your religion is the "religion of free speech"?

2018-05-29 13:52:59 UTC  

it must be a recognised religion

2018-05-29 13:53:03 UTC  

so even a Jedi doesn't count

2018-05-29 13:53:59 UTC  

so now you have a government validating what someone believes is either recognized or not

2018-05-29 13:54:05 UTC  

Also, our freedom of speech law has conditions,

The state may take your right away if it damages reputation, or harms security

2018-05-29 13:54:18 UTC  

yeah we don't have that

2018-05-29 13:54:23 UTC  

never can be taken away

2018-05-29 13:54:32 UTC  

hence, Tommy would be arrested in Netherlands too, on the grounds his livestream would reflect poorly on Muslims

2018-05-29 13:54:36 UTC  

"shall not be infringed" even though we do have slander/libel laws

2018-05-29 13:54:46 UTC  

yeah so that's not what you call "free speech" 😄

2018-05-29 13:54:56 UTC  

exactly

2018-05-29 13:55:08 UTC  

like i said, its "Freedom of things we agree with"

2018-05-29 13:55:51 UTC  

our version doesn't even protect discrimination

If you're being a racist you're not protected

2018-05-29 13:56:09 UTC  

"Yes also all those shouting #freetommy He pleaded GUILTY to contempt of court and breach of suspended sentence. His lawyer said he expressed deep regret ."

2018-05-29 13:57:18 UTC  

Well no one is denying that i think

He had an earlier sentence but got released earlier, and then did this

But this is obviously just a silencing ploy

2018-05-29 13:57:45 UTC  

1 day conviction, no trial, and british media gets a gag order

2018-05-29 13:58:09 UTC  

well its not actually correct

2018-05-29 13:58:17 UTC  

he didn't plead guilty to CoC

2018-05-29 13:58:21 UTC  

but breaching the peace

2018-05-29 13:58:25 UTC  

which is a new charge

2018-05-29 13:58:35 UTC  

technically should have been a new trial/crime/whatever

2018-05-29 14:00:31 UTC  

well, Britain doesn't share your 5th amendment either

2018-05-29 14:00:55 UTC  

@LotheronPrime slander/libel don‘t specifically target gender and are actually a thing.

2018-05-29 14:01:39 UTC  

that's my point

2018-05-29 14:01:51 UTC  

we already have broader laws on the books, why must they be specialized?

2018-05-29 14:02:29 UTC  

I mean I get the precedent with having hate crime sentencing

2018-05-29 14:04:19 UTC  

dont necessarily agree with it though

2018-05-29 14:06:09 UTC  

The media black out on Tommy Robinson has been lifted. He revived 13 months for attempting to film defendants outside a courthouse. Apparently this is illegal, and it was also clearly posted. Tommy pled guilty and expressed regret.
http://archive.today/dl3TU

2018-05-29 14:07:24 UTC  

wasn't he jsut already repeating what other news outlets had published?

2018-05-29 14:07:55 UTC  

also it was a poor decision, but the underlying free speech issue still exists

2018-05-29 14:14:02 UTC  

I definitely don’t agree with U.K. law on this subject. It is my understanding that the names were already public, but it appears that this was about filming the defendants as they entered the court.

2018-05-29 14:14:25 UTC  

I don’t agree at all with these press blackouts.

2018-05-29 14:14:30 UTC  

exactly

2018-05-29 14:14:40 UTC  

so did he break the law

2018-05-29 14:14:40 UTC  

yes

2018-05-29 14:14:44 UTC  

does it make it right

2018-05-29 14:14:45 UTC  

no

2018-05-29 14:15:29 UTC  

^that's a good lenghty read

2018-05-29 14:15:38 UTC  

the writer *doesn't get it* but it's a good read