Message from @wacka
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look at the OJ trial
It’s a complicated situation, but I seriously doubt that Tommy ranting outside a courthouse is really going to change a jury’s mind practically speaking.
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that we can agree.
but there is spirit of the law, and letter of the law
so while the spirit of the law was probably not broken, the letter of the law technically was
and this is where we get the notion any law will be taken to its extremes
it might not change the jurys mind... but its putting some people in view of millions of people - who may turn out to just be innocent people
but prison seems unjust ... a large fine seems more appropriate (depending on the size of the outlet)
well, he already had a prison sentence
as we discussed
the prison sentence was for the same thing
I thought initially it was for his mortgage problem thing... but hes already done his time for that
this would put our 1A and 5A at odds witch each other.. but I think 1A would win out here
this really is what the supreme court is for i would think
its not so much the right to due process... its the right to live a normal life after trial if not proven guilty
ha, the us has no such right
that's the equivalent of equal opportunity of outcome and is unobtainable
really anyone guilty in public opinion will always be guilty in public opinion unless a "greater evil" comes along to show that they were beyond saintly
but, this is also what slander and libel laws are for too
although it sucks in the US that your arrest is not scrubbed by default for a not guilty verdict
unless you go through like 100 hoops and wait 3-5 years
I dont know if you know this or not, but outside of the US,... people see the US as a "suing culture"
yeah that one is archaic
that would be a good topic for Will Chamberlain
we see it as suing culture
what wins, freedom of press or freedom due process
I mean given our history, it's obviously the first
Why was he filming them anyway I mean what good could that do after the defendants were public anyway?
OJ, the Duke Lacross Case, Laci Peterson, and other high profile cases
That’s funny @wacka considering how lose our libel and slander laws are compared to the rest of the world.
I'm sure he was filming to bring attention to it
there are also some other BS things, like if its found you were falsely imprisoned, you could still end up having to pay for any fees related with being released from prison. oh yeah, there are fees with that in some states. They also don't usually pay you for their mistake.
"oh yeah, turns out you were falsely imprisoned and had literally everything taken from you.... too bad, we are not paying you back for that
yeah if you dig deep enough, there's plenty of injustice to be found
false convictions overturned via DNA, etc
its innocent until proven guilty. And if found guilty, you are always guilty even if found not guilty later. you are still guilty
is it wrong, yes, can it be improved, yes, can it be eliminated? probably not
maybe the jurors should pay ;P
also, for profit prisons are a thing