the economic theory on the left is the theory that governs bitcoin, we can see it's validity be proven

while the latter is just bolshevised nonsense

How is the one on the right bolshevism?

You know that all the profit you get from Bitcoin is from others trying to join, right?

I'm not good at debating economic viability

I'm just saying

it's not bolshevism

i never said it was bolshevism, i said it was bolshevised

I see

well how so

isn't it supposed to focus on coming out of a recession?

it's an economic theory which rests on the supremacy of the state assumes that the organisation wont work in the interest of the organisation but instead the wider community for some reason

it's also one of the countless theories that provide the financial vanguard for social bolshevism

aka "degeneracy"

@The Big Oof have you read "economic calculation in the socialist commonwealth"?

no

you should

From the small time I've spent learning Economics I can say, beware while taking in Austrian school ideas, some deliberately reframe the issue to justify their result. I'm out now.

economics isn't my strong suit

I will admit to this

i can get a pdf of it if u want, it predicted theat the soviet union, fascist italy and nazi germany would fall

it mentioned 2 by name i believe

you can post it in <#507036888205623296>

those being fascist italy and the soviets

done

@The Big Oof what is ur strong suit?

not sure

@bimmler Redpill me on patents

Should they be abolished?

Starting a telegram for Canadians only
Initial wide net approach, going for anyone above anime pfp tier

DM me for links.

Idea: lets dump excess food on countries we don't like to destroy their economies

Excess food will allow for more people to be sustained usually, so not only will there be more, they will be more interested in moving

it hurts their farmers

puts them out of business

very bad for them

and thus there county as whole

Continuous foreign aid as a whole is harmful to countries, as it reduces their independancy.

Plus as aid increases a dependency one way it’s accompanied with an understanding that it reflects policy commitments

Typically highly unpopular policy commitments

I don't think trans people should be allowed to join military

gdjes bosanac

https://bongino.com/nyc-celebrates-new-law-allowing-abortion-until-birth-lights-up-one-world-trade-center/

this is absolutely disgraceful

Lets celebrate killing children amiright guys

It shouldn't be celebrated but in some cases it should be legal

which cases

Some people would argue rape cases.

And I can only disagree from a moral perspective.

If that is not legalized Muslim rape will doom Europe

And if the parents are completely incapable but they should still get a punishment for not being responsible

I support the most based option there is (aka Polish abortion compromise)!

baby tax

pay the government the standard amount a child costs per month if you get an abortion

make government controll your libido, problem solved

http://freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/

>Freakonomics
Lol ok reddit

When i look at America today, i feel that i am seeing a modern rendition of the fall of the Roman Republic. Something that fascinates me, that i still do not fully understand, is that the people did not mourn the republic. In fact, they celebrated it, and celebrated Augustus Caesar. What bothers me, is not only why, since there are plenty of good reasons for why, but... idk, i feel like im missing something primal from the human psyche that explains this phenom. IDK what do you guys think?

im guessing we wish to forget the hard times and remember the good ol days

which curses us to repeat it

people keep saying

if we forget history, we may be doomed to repeat it

and think it means we may be doomed to repeat Nazi Germany if we forget it

when in reality, we are already repeating the Weimar

perhaps a mix of weimar and pre-civil war spain

problem is, we have no franco

we have no hitler

@PunishedMuskovy thats why i reached further back, our case is simply not like the ones in the early 20th century. On the other hand, the USA and Rome are quite similar, and the founders were well aware of this. hence, the USA constitution was vaguely based on the Roman republic

and was the hyper sodomy of rome throughout its entirety

or...was it in the end of rome

@PunishedMuskovy im a little confused by your use of sodomy

Degeneracy basically

strictly sexual degeneracy

i guess i'll start here, was Augustus taking power a "good" thing? In todays day in age there is a worship of Democracy, and i guess im trying to cut through that

faggots, whores

Augustus taking power was yes good

@PunishedMuskovy thats more of a side effect of decadence really but not a cause

@Scipio Americanus I know

but when I think sign of decadence

I think rampant sodomy

@Scipio Americanus I think that like the republic modern society requires of its citizens a very high cognitive load to understand. Without ways of reducing that or making it more digestible there is a widening of the gap between the base understanding of the society and the knowledge required for the achievements of that society.
Caesarism reduces that load at the cost of centralising it to a central line, which can’t be assured to always have the capability required to fulfil that role

lol

Democracy is flawed

either mediocre good or mediocre bad

as we see with Trump

it looks good on the surface, a system that lets the citizens decide

but in such system, 2 idiots are stronger than 1 intellectual

something even the greek philosophers pointed out

George Washington even said not to form parties

I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic. Rightly or wrongly I see trump as a push towards Caesarism.

what did we do? form parties

@CronoSaturn "central line" ya, it seems to have an air of "im tired and i want to cut through the bullshit"

@CronoSaturn which states have been the most successful?

America, the Roman republic, the British empire all have had strong traditions of democracy

Venice in the Middle Ages

The holy Roman empires free cities and the hanseatic league

"I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic." just based on numbers, the odds arent in your favour, as most governments were monarchies, many of which were "successful"

Except the HRE had elective nations

the kings voted

not the peasents

@PunishedMuskovy not the point

I am using Democratic broadly and the kings voted but the free cities were not ruled by the elector princes and had a hostile relationship to them

The free imperial cities had their mayors elected by the burghers

so democratic as just in voting

even if democracy was a must have id limit who is able to vote

I agree

Venice didnt just let anyone vote

But we should aim to make that as broad as possible

Venice also lacked the capacity to count the vote as we do today or secure it

Venice was not America

clearly we dont either

with illegals getting their votes in

Venice at that time I think was the America economic wise

minus the

debt

Electoral fraud is not a significant factor in any American election

Doesnt mean we shouldnt try and fix it

I agree

But I don’t think it’s a death knell

The death knell may be the electorates unwillingness to take the time and effort to understand their own society however

still, if it gets big enough to be news worthy

I think its a big enough issue

https://twitter.com/KenPaxtonTX/status/1088898595653386240

58,000 votes

Untrue. The news is confirmation bias and Twitter is not a legitimate source

Ratings is not truth

Ken Paxton is the Texas Attorney General

It was found by the texas secretary of state

And the American judiciary often votes in judicial positions

AH HA i got my question finally, why do people give up freedom for order? wait... something would have to drive them to that... so they are giving up freedom from security...but we get told thats bad...

I’m not saying it’s wrong. Only I don’t know it’s right

Now, keep in mind, during the 2016 elections

some were worried that texas might go blue

Wonderful, did it effect the outcome?

if this shit goes unchecked, texas may aswell go blue

Right but it’s not an issue at this time, nor has it been, correct?

It currently is an issue

What effect does it cause?

now in shit like california its not an issue

Your govt is in shutdown

because its fucking cali they will be blue no matter what

@CronoSaturn Im talking about the future

Right but there are significant problems right now

Probably solve those first yeah?

why not also stop shit that could be a problem in the future

I agree that it’s an issue, just not a pressing one

aite, back to the discussion of democracy

I think the inability for citizens, be it trump or any other leader, to provide and back a clear mandate is concerning

Is this relating to current problems, or your view on democracy vs authoritarianism

I don’t agree with the wall but that was his platform and so the govt shutting down due to lack of consensus is an issue

And both, the people are failing themselves

And that is my problem with democracy, the people voted trump in

but the other people is slowing shit down

Given the swing much of them are the same people

Democracy divides the people and prevents any real progress

Washington warned us

dont form parties he said

and what did we do? we formed parties

which clearly shows that the general populace is not smart enough to be a reliable decider of policies

The ironic thing is, both the republicans and democrats are nearly the same

just differing on some issues

unless someone like Bernie wins it will just be the extension of the status quo

Democrats: Gun control, healthcare, palestine, racial issues

Republicans: no gun control, lowering taxes, israel

Parties are a natural emergence from establishing coalitions and Washington is not the authority on democracy. And this is the issue. America is a highly capable country as is. Very little needs to be changed

The problem really seems to be representative democracy

it almost looks like Republicans just want to undo what dems do

Minor adjustments

@..... how so?

but Republicans wont undo things that may make people call them a nazi

which is why trump cucked on the lgbt

@Scipio Americanus It just encourages politicians to pander to people

Representatives assist in allowing the mob to make more educated decisions

I think a direct democracy (for a small community, obviously) would be better

true, but you also need some of that

@..... direct for small communities sure

direct for the nation?

absolutely not

Of course not

Small communities, small problems exactly

ya, instead of these "commissioners"

Representative democracy on a mass scale encourages pandering

Is that bad?

@CronoSaturn to some extent yes

If I could change America, I would go about removing several amendments like letting women vote

It seems that’s the desired outcome. A servant of the people

@PunishedMuskovy do you take cold medicine?

changing it so while it is still what the nation was founded upon, it isnt retarded

@Scipio Americanus no?

Occasionally a cold sinus pill for allergies

Removing 50% of your representation? Not a great plan

@CronoSaturn Id like to restore the traditional family

women being mothers

would I let blacks vote?

Hot take: *yes*

I don’t think women voting changes that and presumably you agree you can’t force a woman to be your tradwife

She would actually have to want that

If she doesn’t, she’d be a shit tradwife

I am focusing on the part of minimizing the fools

Women think differently then men

More emotional

which is right now what dems pander to

the emotions

Women are as intelligent as men on average, tests tend to group in the middle but there’s reason to believe that women tend to socially attempt to blend in more then men

@PunishedMuskovy be careful to not confuse the symptoms of the decline with the causes

women voting is actually a symptom

Is women voting a problem scipio?

In what way?

@Scipio Americanus why bring up cold medicine though

i just take it if my allergy pill didnt work with my constant sneezing

i know i dont have a cold, i just want those damn sneezes to stop

no, its a symptom of a decadent society **in this context**

So what is the root in your opinion

@PunishedMuskovy because it doesn't actually make you less sick

yea it just gets rid of the symptoms

while rhinovirus is still in your blood

@CronoSaturn like, out of this context? your right

@PunishedMuskovy so lets focus on getting rid of the virus that our republic has, not the symptoms it has

what is the virus then?

Liberalism?

thats part of what im asking

Id have to say liberalism

@PunishedMuskovy liberalism is new, this problem is not

well if you really want to go there

then the people who are pushing such symptoms onto us

@CronoSaturn@PunishedMuskovy i have refined my question, when the time comes, should we give up freedom for security?

depends on what kind of freedom you are asking

for what kind of security

Freedom v.s. security is a dilemma forced onto us by people who want neither.

thats what scares me, i dont understand how one must feel to make that decision

@Kazimir Malevich thats a cop-opt statement (ironically)

Doesn't make it any less true.

I don’t think freedom can exist without security

I definitely don’t think liberalism is the cause however. Liberalism has been a consistent feature of the American project

@CronoSaturn

Your choices are confined by threat.

that just occurred to me actually

@CronoSaturn so.. faced by that threat... is there any option at all?

sorry, somthing seems missing, but im having a hard time even thinking of the right question to ask

Yes. Worst case theres the option to die or comply. As satre said you are free in that radical sense

But that is not a desirable degree of freedom

Freedom does not exist in the absence of order

Would it be the freedom to do whatever I wish with myself?

Yes I would give that up

Because the state must protect its citizens

so, to prevent this situation, we must restore order before it comes to this point

even if it has to protect you

from yourself

only in japan

Freedom requires it’s responsible use undoubtably but this is not exclusive to the citizen and the state has shown itself fully capable of betraying the citizens trust when given leeway to

Abortion is abhorrant for any reason. All these reasons child killers give to justify the disgusting practice (Life of the mother/rape/etc) are less than 1% of all abortions. The overwhelming reason we are killing babies is convienence. It is fucking vile.