with illegals getting their votes in

Venice at that time I think was the America economic wise

minus the

debt

Electoral fraud is not a significant factor in any American election

Doesnt mean we shouldnt try and fix it

I agree

But I don’t think it’s a death knell

The death knell may be the electorates unwillingness to take the time and effort to understand their own society however

still, if it gets big enough to be news worthy

I think its a big enough issue

https://twitter.com/KenPaxtonTX/status/1088898595653386240

58,000 votes

Untrue. The news is confirmation bias and Twitter is not a legitimate source

Ratings is not truth

Ken Paxton is the Texas Attorney General

It was found by the texas secretary of state

And the American judiciary often votes in judicial positions

AH HA i got my question finally, why do people give up freedom for order? wait... something would have to drive them to that... so they are giving up freedom from security...but we get told thats bad...

I’m not saying it’s wrong. Only I don’t know it’s right

Now, keep in mind, during the 2016 elections

some were worried that texas might go blue

Wonderful, did it effect the outcome?

if this shit goes unchecked, texas may aswell go blue

Right but it’s not an issue at this time, nor has it been, correct?

It currently is an issue

What effect does it cause?

now in shit like california its not an issue

Your govt is in shutdown

because its fucking cali they will be blue no matter what

@CronoSaturn Im talking about the future

Right but there are significant problems right now

Probably solve those first yeah?

why not also stop shit that could be a problem in the future

I agree that it’s an issue, just not a pressing one

aite, back to the discussion of democracy

I think the inability for citizens, be it trump or any other leader, to provide and back a clear mandate is concerning

Is this relating to current problems, or your view on democracy vs authoritarianism

I don’t agree with the wall but that was his platform and so the govt shutting down due to lack of consensus is an issue

And both, the people are failing themselves

And that is my problem with democracy, the people voted trump in