Message from @Scipio Americanus
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@CronoSaturn like, out of this context? your right
@PunishedMuskovy so lets focus on getting rid of the virus that our republic has, not the symptoms it has
what is the virus then?
Liberalism?
thats part of what im asking
Id have to say liberalism
@PunishedMuskovy liberalism is new, this problem is not
well if you really want to go there
then the people who are pushing such symptoms onto us
@CronoSaturn@PunishedMuskovy i have refined my question, when the time comes, should we give up freedom for security?
depends on what kind of freedom you are asking
for what kind of security
Freedom v.s. security is a dilemma forced onto us by people who want neither.
thats what scares me, i dont understand how one must feel to make that decision
@Kazimir Malevich thats a cop-opt statement (ironically)
Doesn't make it any less true.
I don’t think freedom can exist without security
I definitely don’t think liberalism is the cause however. Liberalism has been a consistent feature of the American project
Your choices are confined by threat.
@CronoSaturn so.. faced by that threat... is there any option at all?
sorry, somthing seems missing, but im having a hard time even thinking of the right question to ask
Yes. Worst case theres the option to die or comply. As satre said you are free in that radical sense
But that is not a desirable degree of freedom
Freedom does not exist in the absence of order
Would it be the freedom to do whatever I wish with myself?
Yes I would give that up
Because the state must protect its citizens
so, to prevent this situation, we must restore order before it comes to this point
even if it has to protect you
from yourself
only in japan
Freedom requires it’s responsible use undoubtably but this is not exclusive to the citizen and the state has shown itself fully capable of betraying the citizens trust when given leeway to
Abortion is abhorrant for any reason. All these reasons child killers give to justify the disgusting practice (Life of the mother/rape/etc) are less than 1% of all abortions. The overwhelming reason we are killing babies is convienence. It is fucking vile.
Is it more abhorrent then subjecting the kid to a lifetime of being unwanted, poverty, neglect and poverty? We cannot force a parent to want their child and the impact of neglected children should not be forced upon everyone else. Regardless of the reason then, if someone thinks they should get an abortion then they’re probably right.
Yes but those who get abortions should be executed
If they’re just not going to be born at all we might as well just make the have it and send the kid into compulsory military service
I mean really why not, Id rather be force conscripted at birth than not be born at all
Those who get abortions tend not to have the greatest lives themselves and dont see it as a choice they’d prefer to make, rather one that by carelessness, poor planning or circumstance they’ve been forced into making. Executions dont bring justice here and it robs society of otherwise productive members who’ve made a poor choice.
Military service is an honour not a dumpster to deal with the dregs of society. It requires a willingness to volunteer for members to be effective at all and even then the modern battlefield is complex and requires advanced operations to be conducted in order to achieve the delivery of an effect, an extra body can be just as easily a liability as an asset here. Either the person is an effective member of society, in which case they can just as productively enter any field, or they arnt in which case we need to investigate how to provide them the tools and training they need to perform. The military is not the place to do the latter.
No, those children forced in would be trained to be career soldiers from birth