Figured... why not?

State is an organized nation and as such it should serve the interests of the said nation.

State in a way is a extrapolation of tribe/tribal mechanics. What we see today in the west is the same mechanic twisted by liberal philosophy. It doesn't however change its origin.

As I said what we see today is a twisted by liberal philosophy.

Also I would advocate for a nation state with "controlled democracy"

@campodin Depends on the region. Regardless states were created by conquest and the conquerors separated themselves from the populus they ruled. That time however is over and the boundaries between a lot of tribes have vanised so...

well in a way it explains why we got nation states.

@campodin I am gonna get back to you on that.

Gotta go to work now

later!

@campodin I think most European countries went through this stage to be honest. Nationalism resurfaced in pretty much every European nation in the period between the wars. The USA at that time was also quite ethnocentric in its own way.... Finally, we also have examples from antiquity like Greece or Roman empire. Not saying those forms of organisation were perfect but they were there.

@campodin Well... it boils down to how you define a nation? I don't think trying to detatch this term from ethnicity makes sense. (notabene I wouldn't say that Canada is a great example)

This QOD is too general imo. My answer would change depending on the specyfics.

"cultural marxism" is rooted in social liberalism... there are some parallels with clasic librulism but I would say bigger ones with clasic marxism.

lol

> I bought commie paintings cos I was interested in totalitarism < - Peterson deep though

His daughter loves that meat.

Well... French riots do not have a nationalistic background... so..

They are preety gay tbh.

I will tell you something guys...

it

is

time

to

make Russia great again!

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It is where u bombard.

@campodin I wanna point out two more examples of state as an organised nation... and that would be firstly: 1. polish noble democracy (14-the century - 18-the century) where the right to grant nobility was taken away from the king and granted to parliament (as such overall only around 400 foreign nobles were nobilitised during the existence of polish noble democracy (around 400 years)). The nobility of that period also had its own ethnic origin myth and expressed a lot of patriotic feelings. 2. Bohdan Chmielnicki rebellion that happened in Poland at that time (that had ethnic character and was a de facto attempt at state creation). And yes I know that people of non noble birth weren't seen as nationals at that time but I am sure you can still see that those two examples underline the tendency.

_hears a heli in the distance getting closer_

What? Don't you want to fly with me?

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based and redpill

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# Snakeissaint

Working class is relatively more conservative then an awerage intelectual.... so...

besides national liberalism is a big gay that doesn't change anything.

I would say that some of the roles animals have in our societies is dictated by culture and it should stay that way... in other cases well.. needless suffering is just needless.

So I would have a problem with people killing a dog but not really with people killing a pig but even with the pig I would say that it should still be put down without the needless suffering.

yup

Well evenutally the commies will have to get coptered... so dunn worry my dudes... everyone is safe... almost...

"Michael Ellman argues that, in addition to deportations, internment in the Gulag camps and shootings (see the law of spikelets), there is evidence that Stalin used starvation as a weapon in his war against the peasantry.[92] He analyses the actions of the Soviet authorities, two of commission and one of omission: (i) exporting 1.8 million tonnes of grain during the mass starvation (enough to feed more than five million people for one year), (ii) preventing migration from famine afflicted areas (which may have cost an estimated 150,000 lives) and (iii) making no effort to secure grain assistance from abroad (which caused an estimated 1.5 million excess deaths), as well as the attitude of the Stalinist regime in 1932–33 that many of those starving to death were "counter-revolutionaries", "idlers" or "thieves" who fully deserved their fate."

So what now?

Not really...

it is just that: (i) exporting 1.8 million tonnes of grain during the mass starvation (enough to feed more than five million people for one year),

seems to be preety conclusive

Witch doesn't change the fact that it conttributed to mass starvation.

Well firstly when you say that the amount of Grain exports decreased well... what is it supposed to prove?

Nahhh... nahhh that is autistic. The grain exports decreased because there wasn't enough grain to go around.

So when you argue that they decreased it as an act of good will you aren't really making a rational argumet there.

So what now...

lol

That is a hella argument you are making there.

Wonder if you ever feel like making it in public on Ukraine.

Lol

So now you admitt that Stalin policies contiributed to famine but claim that the famine was not a bad thing.

So you are arguing from the position of ideology... and frankly speaking I can't challenge you here because morality is subjective...

but you would get a string

"@Aki they decreased it to send grain to the actual non-aristocratic peasants"

here

So you are saying that the peasents that starved were the bad peasents but the good ones didn't

Isn't that what your argument actually boils down to?

Well all you are ding is presenting it from the morality of your ideology.

The argument is pointless and futile.

In RL it could be resolved in physicality.

I mean

js

Comunism.

Well except you are clarly making moral judgments from that pespective.

great... "for consitency sake" no genocide happens

grand position

"The statistical distribution of famine's victims among the ethnicities closely reflects the ethnic distribution of the rural population of Ukraine.[99] Moldavian, Polish, German, and Bulgarian population that mostly resided in the rural communities of Ukraine suffered in the same proportion as the rural Ukrainian population.[99]"

"Total deaths Vary from 3.3 to 7.5 million, see death tool"

A lot of heads had to be shaved there

Welp... wiki is a mastersource in debates.

historical revisionism 0 wiki 1

"SternDziś o 18:35
@ecojuche they weren't the food production class, they were the landowner class
kulaks =/= catch all for peasant class" "SternDziś o 18:36
@Aki they decreased it to send grain to the actual non-aristocratic peasants"

So what are you even claiming?

It doesn't appear that you have a goalpost to move.

So you claim that the starvation of those peasent was justified?

Notabene the quote I posted earlier preety much debunked it.

@Stern "The statistical distribution of famine's victims among the ethnicities closely reflects the ethnic distribution of the rural population of Ukraine.[99] Moldavian, Polish, German, and Bulgarian population that mostly resided in the rural communities of Ukraine suffered in the same proportion as the rural Ukrainian population.[99]" "Total deaths Vary from 3.3 to 7.5 million, see death toll" But hey only Kulaks died.

Mate you make no claim.

*mate

Make a claim.

Then rephrase it.

and the grain was exported from the region.

So you make no point in the end.

Lol

Welp so @Xinyue what do you think about the level of honesty presented by @Stern

just curious

Ehhhh that is why you do not talk with commies....

I preety much proved every point I wanted to make.

That the famine in Ukraine was inflenced by economic policies of Stalin.

Well if you export the grains from the regions that are stariving it preety much is intentional... there is a simple cuasality here.

And it leads to famine.

It is a simple logic here.

Come on.