im guessing we wish to forget the hard times and remember the good ol days

which curses us to repeat it

people keep saying

if we forget history, we may be doomed to repeat it

and think it means we may be doomed to repeat Nazi Germany if we forget it

when in reality, we are already repeating the Weimar

perhaps a mix of weimar and pre-civil war spain

problem is, we have no franco

we have no hitler

@PunishedMuskovy thats why i reached further back, our case is simply not like the ones in the early 20th century. On the other hand, the USA and Rome are quite similar, and the founders were well aware of this. hence, the USA constitution was vaguely based on the Roman republic

and was the hyper sodomy of rome throughout its entirety

or...was it in the end of rome

@PunishedMuskovy im a little confused by your use of sodomy

Degeneracy basically

strictly sexual degeneracy

i guess i'll start here, was Augustus taking power a "good" thing? In todays day in age there is a worship of Democracy, and i guess im trying to cut through that

faggots, whores

Augustus taking power was yes good

@PunishedMuskovy thats more of a side effect of decadence really but not a cause

@Scipio Americanus I know

but when I think sign of decadence

I think rampant sodomy

@Scipio Americanus I think that like the republic modern society requires of its citizens a very high cognitive load to understand. Without ways of reducing that or making it more digestible there is a widening of the gap between the base understanding of the society and the knowledge required for the achievements of that society.
Caesarism reduces that load at the cost of centralising it to a central line, which can’t be assured to always have the capability required to fulfil that role

lol

Democracy is flawed

either mediocre good or mediocre bad

as we see with Trump

it looks good on the surface, a system that lets the citizens decide

but in such system, 2 idiots are stronger than 1 intellectual

something even the greek philosophers pointed out

George Washington even said not to form parties

I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic. Rightly or wrongly I see trump as a push towards Caesarism.

what did we do? form parties

@CronoSaturn "central line" ya, it seems to have an air of "im tired and i want to cut through the bullshit"

@CronoSaturn which states have been the most successful?

America, the Roman republic, the British empire all have had strong traditions of democracy

Venice in the Middle Ages

The holy Roman empires free cities and the hanseatic league

"I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic." just based on numbers, the odds arent in your favour, as most governments were monarchies, many of which were "successful"

Except the HRE had elective nations

the kings voted