what did we do? form parties

@CronoSaturn "central line" ya, it seems to have an air of "im tired and i want to cut through the bullshit"

@CronoSaturn which states have been the most successful?

America, the Roman republic, the British empire all have had strong traditions of democracy

Venice in the Middle Ages

The holy Roman empires free cities and the hanseatic league

"I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic." just based on numbers, the odds arent in your favour, as most governments were monarchies, many of which were "successful"

Except the HRE had elective nations

the kings voted

not the peasents

@PunishedMuskovy not the point

I am using Democratic broadly and the kings voted but the free cities were not ruled by the elector princes and had a hostile relationship to them

The free imperial cities had their mayors elected by the burghers

so democratic as just in voting

even if democracy was a must have id limit who is able to vote

I agree

Venice didnt just let anyone vote

But we should aim to make that as broad as possible

Venice also lacked the capacity to count the vote as we do today or secure it

Venice was not America

clearly we dont either

with illegals getting their votes in

Venice at that time I think was the America economic wise

minus the

debt

Electoral fraud is not a significant factor in any American election

Doesnt mean we shouldnt try and fix it

I agree

But I don’t think it’s a death knell

The death knell may be the electorates unwillingness to take the time and effort to understand their own society however

still, if it gets big enough to be news worthy

I think its a big enough issue

https://twitter.com/KenPaxtonTX/status/1088898595653386240

58,000 votes

Untrue. The news is confirmation bias and Twitter is not a legitimate source

Ratings is not truth

Ken Paxton is the Texas Attorney General

It was found by the texas secretary of state

And the American judiciary often votes in judicial positions

AH HA i got my question finally, why do people give up freedom for order? wait... something would have to drive them to that... so they are giving up freedom from security...but we get told thats bad...

I’m not saying it’s wrong. Only I don’t know it’s right