Message from @CronoSaturn
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Augustus taking power was yes good
@PunishedMuskovy thats more of a side effect of decadence really but not a cause
@Scipio Americanus I know
but when I think sign of decadence
I think rampant sodomy
@Scipio Americanus I think that like the republic modern society requires of its citizens a very high cognitive load to understand. Without ways of reducing that or making it more digestible there is a widening of the gap between the base understanding of the society and the knowledge required for the achievements of that society.
Caesarism reduces that load at the cost of centralising it to a central line, which can’t be assured to always have the capability required to fulfil that role
lol
Democracy is flawed
either mediocre good or mediocre bad
as we see with Trump
it looks good on the surface, a system that lets the citizens decide
but in such system, 2 idiots are stronger than 1 intellectual
something even the greek philosophers pointed out
George Washington even said not to form parties
I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic. Rightly or wrongly I see trump as a push towards Caesarism.
what did we do? form parties
@CronoSaturn "central line" ya, it seems to have an air of "im tired and i want to cut through the bullshit"
@CronoSaturn which states have been the most successful?
America, the Roman republic, the British empire all have had strong traditions of democracy
Venice in the Middle Ages
"I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic." just based on numbers, the odds arent in your favour, as most governments were monarchies, many of which were "successful"
Except the HRE had elective nations
the kings voted
not the peasents
@PunishedMuskovy not the point
I am using Democratic broadly and the kings voted but the free cities were not ruled by the elector princes and had a hostile relationship to them
The free imperial cities had their mayors elected by the burghers
so democratic as just in voting
even if democracy was a must have id limit who is able to vote
I agree
Venice didnt just let anyone vote
But we should aim to make that as broad as possible
Venice also lacked the capacity to count the vote as we do today or secure it
Venice was not America
clearly we dont either
with illegals getting their votes in
Venice at that time I think was the America economic wise
minus the
debt
Electoral fraud is not a significant factor in any American election