strictly sexual degeneracy

i guess i'll start here, was Augustus taking power a "good" thing? In todays day in age there is a worship of Democracy, and i guess im trying to cut through that

faggots, whores

Augustus taking power was yes good

@PunishedMuskovy thats more of a side effect of decadence really but not a cause

@Scipio Americanus I know

but when I think sign of decadence

I think rampant sodomy

@Scipio Americanus I think that like the republic modern society requires of its citizens a very high cognitive load to understand. Without ways of reducing that or making it more digestible there is a widening of the gap between the base understanding of the society and the knowledge required for the achievements of that society.
Caesarism reduces that load at the cost of centralising it to a central line, which can’t be assured to always have the capability required to fulfil that role

lol

Democracy is flawed

either mediocre good or mediocre bad

as we see with Trump

it looks good on the surface, a system that lets the citizens decide

but in such system, 2 idiots are stronger than 1 intellectual

something even the greek philosophers pointed out

George Washington even said not to form parties

I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic. Rightly or wrongly I see trump as a push towards Caesarism.

what did we do? form parties

@CronoSaturn "central line" ya, it seems to have an air of "im tired and i want to cut through the bullshit"

@CronoSaturn which states have been the most successful?

America, the Roman republic, the British empire all have had strong traditions of democracy

Venice in the Middle Ages

The holy Roman empires free cities and the hanseatic league

"I disagree and the most successful states have traditionally been democratic." just based on numbers, the odds arent in your favour, as most governments were monarchies, many of which were "successful"

Except the HRE had elective nations

the kings voted

not the peasents

@PunishedMuskovy not the point

I am using Democratic broadly and the kings voted but the free cities were not ruled by the elector princes and had a hostile relationship to them

The free imperial cities had their mayors elected by the burghers

so democratic as just in voting

even if democracy was a must have id limit who is able to vote

I agree

Venice didnt just let anyone vote

But we should aim to make that as broad as possible

Venice also lacked the capacity to count the vote as we do today or secure it

Venice was not America

clearly we dont either

with illegals getting their votes in

Venice at that time I think was the America economic wise