Whoever controls the senate controls the judiciary for state and circuit court, right?

Judge picks, essentially. I see nominations on my govtracker all the time but I'm not sure if that's checked anywhere else

I'd presume we've only seen the tip of the iceburg of the people who have actually come forward. Not particularly public/media knowledge because opsec

Sounds like a LOT of them are improperly trained.

I'd imagine more will come out over a Scotus ruling.

Ruling? Hearing*

I got a lot of money on Biden not getting to 270 tho. Fingers crossed no whammys.

Gives plenty of time to properly sort this shit out

Well, the safe harbor deadline I don't believe applies to SCOTUS rulings, only state legislatures selecting their electors.

Could be wrong, knowledge on the subject is fuzzy when it comes to details. I think what's going on is they're waiting on the PA legislature to make a move or not before scotus takes the case.

I mean, we've really had little else to work off of than massive, easily discernable footprints to base these allegations on. It's just a matter of if the media wants the public to be aware or not. Doesn't seem to be in their interest.

If Wayne county's 0 registered voter precincts, many places reporting that they had unusually high turnout rates across several thousand counties, hundred thousand or so, massive vote dumps, etc. They're all pretty big footprints, not sure how more true of a scottsman you can be.

@tomB63 I believe they're looking at throwing out some 200,000 votes submitted illegally because of an 11th hour ruling by the state court giving an opinion as late as august on how the mail-in deadline was extended another two days outside of their legal statute. That would mean that the electors would go to Trump, in that case, especially if that were the ruling on the damages. Alito is not the only SCOTUS rep of course, but there are many other court cases that indicate that the final result is changed. If you've seen the allotted heads of circuit courts, but *conservative judges are* all presiding over these swing states in question.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/circuitassignments.aspx ah

You're welcome to provide an argument instead of dismissing the conversation, Mr. Marx.

I think there's a lot of opsec going on, honestly.

@DisenchantedTruth Especially if this was an event which implicates more than a few bad actors as seems to be the case of the video. The likelihood that the DOJ is investigating facebook for more than visa hiring reasons right now seems plausable enough for me to consider, especially in light of increasing attempts on censorship of right/moderate voices. Currently sec. 203 is shielding them from a lot of litigation.

@busillis https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-lawsuit-against-facebook-discriminating-against-us-workers Dec. 3rd

@TaLoN132 https://www.waynecounty.com/documents/clerk/nov20_votestats.pdf is just one such footprint I mentioned before. Page 93 is when precincts report that a total of 0 registered voters added some total of 100,000 votes to the total for Wayne county. Someone's not doing their job.

@Repeat That's what I'm thinking, too. OPSEC's important if this were actually as big as is alleged. I do recognize that I tread into conspiracy theory when I allege such things, so, grain of salt.

If I have a secret clearance should I be worred? Lmfao

I may or may not.

> @TaLoN132 "Conspiracies tend to fall apart and yet with hundreds even thousands of affidavits claiming to provide evidence of fraud, not one bunch of replaced ballots showed up? No one caught going through security with pre-filled in ballots? Not one person caught in the act of swapping out fake ballots for real ones?"
There are a lot of those. What sort of evidence are you looking for in particular? I can hunt down some of the circulating videos I've taken note that indicate that some of these

Are you meaning perpetrator testimony, then? Have you heard the testimony of the guy asked to ship ballots from NY to PA?

Ah, than you mean an arrest, then? A criminal conviction. We haven't seen any indication that these people have been charged yet, but honestly I'm not particularly well-versed enough with federal law and charges to know if there have been any arrests made on this front or not. My conspiracy mind want's to say "opsec" but I recognize that it's not an argument. I'd personally call it a "Known unknown" if this woman Ruby Freeman and her alleged daughter are in custody or not.

That's the thinking. If the dominion vote changing system allegations are true, well, it would require a lot of parties to be in on it. It's an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. But thousands of affidavits signal that there's extraordinary evidence, as well.

Oh, I'd be giddy if arrest announcements came out. There was a story of someone in Texas who was running in an electoral board being arrested by the FBI but it was impossible to find now so I have no choice but to dismiss the claim. There was also the allegation that the ICE twitter was taken down after pedophelia ring bust, but the only thing I can attest to there was a screenshot of the story posted and personal testimony that I saw ICE's twitter actually having been banned. The story was otherwise taken down, if it ever existed to begin with and wasn't a forgery/slip up from someone.

ICE has since been restored, within around eight hours I believe. Sometime in november.

If it's unrelated, it's as unrelated as the DOJ investigating facebook right now for preferential visa hiring.

https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1326995082495537152?s=19 🙂

Yeah like, obviously someone isn't doing their job lol. This has been an issue in Detroit for literally years, according to testimony from the board of canvassers. They went in pretty hard on the republican canvassers for refusing to sign off on the accuracy of the precincts when she was saying "Yeah this is a problem..."

Anyway, long story short so I'm not conspiracy theorizing here, there haven't been any confirmed announcements of arrests in relation to fraudulent vote efforts. But in my personal observations, I can see the possibility of opsec as being an important factor to consider, so I can't dismiss that it's a possibility.

> @TaLoN132 Lastly, the law that says you can't audit an out of balance precinct is non-sensical... Ridiculous the Rep controlled legislature should change that immediately.
I'd drink to that. I mean, I can admire someone dedicated to their job as to investigate even a meager 441 votes before submitting to the state board of canvassers. But the way she was treated in her public hearing zoom call was inappropriate and appalling. She'd since had to move out of her home since she and her children were being targeted.

I'll be transparent in that I'm not all that clear on what constitutes what is "in" or "out" of balance, but I look at that Wayne county report and see those zero registered voters for certain precincts and have several questions.

Well, when they get that fishing license I'm sure they'll catch a fair few fish.

I'd love to see some testimony from those folks, to be sure. The people doing their jobs with signed affidavits they were IAW the law. Any of those folks come forward?

There's like, no countertestimony to any of these witnesses coming forward alleging that there was wrongdoing involved.

Afaik

They can be cross-referenced.

Person x's testimony lines up with person y's testimony and person z's testimony etc. It builds a story.

Sure, let me pull up the Arizona case where these testimonies were presented...

Maybe not, I'll admit that I'm not familiar enough with law to be certain on this, but what I would say is that I'm partial to believing people who are criminally liable to getting prosecuted for false statement than those who aren't. I would appreciate if people came forward with signed affidavit claims there wasn't any of this alleged wrongdoing involved. Instead all I see are incredibly competent lawyers.

> You can’t disprove a unverifiable assertion.
I'm one of those pesky sorts that believes that "The plural of anecdote is data." With thousands of anecdotes, especially in the case of the TCF center claims, under criminal penalty of false testimony, support that the TCF video demonstrates fraud. Before the video was even released.

"40-1" apparently. Guess which side I'm referencing to.

I don't see any witness testimony that there wasn't wrongdoing. I would like to see it, and I feel like that's a pretty low bar to set. Feel me?

Aye, I watched this, too. Van Langevelde basically said "This is a serious issue that needs addressing but I do not have the power to issue an audit before signing off on this date" but none of the people who were alleging there was no wrongdoing are under any sort of oath to tell the truth. Whether in court or signed affidavit.

If you ask me, if you have 1000 people alledged that they committed fraud in such a manner, vs 1000 accusing that group, then 1000 people need to be criminally charged with something. Get me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0-vyw9qbdw Counter testimony.

The reason I feel more inclined to believe this group of people is that they're under criminal charges for fraud if they're all indeed liars.

Lol yeah, that one contractor

I bring it up only because the countertestimony was from a similar group of whiny 5th rate Detroiters who are suddenly specialists on Michigan law. "You MUST by LAW CERTIFY TODAY"

Ahaha

Like that one guy who straight up took over a CBS news network for like 2 minutes?

Information groundgame haha

Of what sort? Weekends are usually slow for this kinda thing. Big rally in Georgia and they're subpoena the TCF center for their CCTV recordings in preparation for another evidential hearing before state lawmakers, sources tell me.

Scratch that, unsubstantiated currently.

Shit, looks like I'm out 25$ lmfao

Arguably, constitutional law is supreme in these instances. But that's only arguably so.

Which republican leader in AZ? Kelli Ward?

I have a physical copy of the constitution here, haha. I mean, it depends really if you're a traditionalist or not. And there are what, 3 or 4 traditionalists on SCOTUS right now?

Honestly, it's anyone's guess what happens. And yes, I've been banned from groups leaning liberal for even talking about the possibility of electoral fraud as an argument from "bad faith" when I even pointed out to them in real time how I caught missing votes from Floyd county GA indicating the margin would be more narrow than 10,000 if it was a biden win at all. 2 weeks later news comes out those votes were found.

Right right. I brought up how there were supposed to be some 20% reporting for Floyd county, and that number dropped to like 91% with no votes added. The margin was supposed to be more narrow, and indeed it was.

Maybe, but I didn't make any other claims about missing votes because I didn't really catch any. All of a sudden I'm a conspiracy theorist for bringing up something that came up rather plainly in my data, and even turned out to be right.

I voted for Bernie back in 2016 primary, and felt like throwing a vote for Trump in because I was angry that leaks were coming out about how the DNC wanted their darling Clinton in instead.

Big if true.

Would like this as well.

Saved for later reading

Imo, I think the situation is different when the state legislators are sufficiently convinced of wrongdoing. That's more or less what Guliani is currently doing by lobbying the legislatures.

I'll second @DisenchantedTruth 's take, great points made.

I can try to find them, give me a bit.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18694655/pearson-v-kemp/ I believe these are the ones referenced.

Ward released a press statement that they only got through half the stack anyway, before the court ordered ruling to continue, if I remember correctly.

The 2500, one moment...

It's hard to watch that video and not think "Damn, she just finessed a whole state!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTtMCbYIGo at like 30 in

brb restarting my slow af pc

ok!

Yep! I keep tabs on her website releases. https://azgop.com/update

Seconded. The argument sort of rests, I believe, on two postulates.
1) Election results are not tampered, and accurately reflect the will of the people. This I believe is still up to the courts to decide, especially in regard to SCOTUS.
2) The legislature cannot be swayed to believe that the election results have been tampered with. I think this will be the more likely of the two postulates that will fall apart. Honestly, I expect that states *may* not send electors at all based on this premise, giving more time for this litigation to settle in courts.

I thought I saw the supposed suitcases being wheeled in in early morning preparation sort of stashed under the white table before being pushed under the black one. I may be mistaken though, I'd need to check again.

If it wasn't, I probably was. Who even knows at this point.

Scratch this, I didn't catch it again.

Plenty of people explain the data. Lot of footprints but nothing truly proven in court of law yet.

Democracy docket's policy seems to push for "Dismiss dismiss dismiss." so evidence is never really reviewed in those cases.

How else are we supposed to get the child laborers to the coal mines without any government roads?

*/s*

Aye. Lot of people explain it away as normal.

It has happened in other elections, when the Dominion software was also used. Lmao.

That's the conclusions being made by Team Trump. It's normal... if you're using Smartmatic.

That's what we're all waiting for, isn't it?

And all over the place.

It's damaging either way. The implications of a large organization of people working contrary to the interests of american people is...

But the thing I hate the most about it? It's not allowed to be talked about.

We cannot openly debate the topic on most social media. People discussing these issues are repressed and forced to accept the claims there is no fraud or be shadowbanned/banned by big tech. It's not concerning these allegations are being made, it's concerning they're being repressed.

I believe the voter turnout is being cross-referenced to census data in these cases. But I'm unsure of the exact methodology. I put it in my personal category of "plausable."

I suspect that a lot of information isn't being publicized, and there's a lot of OPSEC going on behind the scenes.

If these claims are true this is actual cyber-warfare. That's the thing.

Esp. in regards to the Dominion systems intel, which the Colonel is alleging sources from Iran and China.

Eh?

Ah alright, it was non-specific so I wasn't sure who was referenced.

Stalling, if you ask me. It's why Powell is pushing her lawsuit.

If you ask me, the states where Powell isn't pushing lawsuits are the ones that are more or less aware of the allegations and are actively investigating, whether those investigations are public or not.