That was actually a joke.

If the DOJ would do a credible and transparent investigation, I'd be thrilled. Don't see it happening though.

LOL! Sorry. Headache here.

> You're welcome to provide an argument instead of dismissing the conversation, Mr. Marx.
@Recalibar Thank you.

@Zuluzeit, you just advanced to level 27!

I think there's a lot of opsec going on, honestly.

@Zuluzeit is very intelligent. Don't hurt yourself@Recalibar

Was that before the election, during the election, and after the election?

3) Again... Please provide any documentation of how massive mail-in fraud could be pulled off.

4) I have only heard a couple of anecdotes about perfectly flat ballots. But now you are talking about someone sneaking pre-filled in mail-in ballots and secretly swapping them out with the "real ballots" (this when Trump has signaled to his supporters to vote in person and democrats have shown an overwhelming desire to vote by mail because of fears of CoVid - valid or not). Why take the effort to track down the ballot template to create valid mail-in forgeries and then risk getting caught swapping out ballots at the precinct when in all likelihood the vast majority of those ballots would be for Biden, anyways? Anyone sophisticated enough to pull that off would be smart enough to weigh the risk to reward ratio.

However, there is valid reason why there might be flat ballots. If the ballot is damaged while extracting it from the envelope or gets damaged/jammed in the tabulation machine, there is a process that requires bi-partisan participants to transfer the voter's intended choices onto a new ballot. That does happen and they typically set aside these ballots until later in the process when they can all be done at the same time in order to not slow things down.

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@DisenchantedTruth
Regarding the contractor video who "blew the whistle" - I looked up the company he said he worked for on LinkedIn - there did not appear to be anyone listed that looked like him - there were only 15 employees listed. That's not definitive, but they did not appear to be a large outfit. Even so, he did not attest to anything other than violating the trust of the people who had hired him. He did not have the data he claimed to have, it was not used to create fake ballots, and he was not aware of anyone else who had violated his employers trust the way he did. I am not sure what that video is proof of unless you are pre-disposed to believe every unsubstantiated assertion of malfeasance of proof of some broader conspiracy to commit voter fraud. It's kind of the point I am trying to make.

Regarding Ramsland... I find him to be a disgruntled former Congressman who lost a race he expected to win and has been on a crusade against Dominion since. This is the same guy who's research Powell presented in a case in MI that claimed that many counties has reported more votes than voters - in a court filing. Only later to find out that he had mixed up MN with MI and failed to realize that as the reason that the populations were off.

I certainly hope so. There are too many data anomalies for me to completely dismiss the idea of fraud. Yes, I'm one of those who pulled data and looked. I'm no expert and not qualified to determine anything from data alone....but 4 precincts in Philadelphia reporting the exact same ratio of 18 votes Biden to 1 vote trump on EVERY upload from 7 an to 4 pm on day is enough to make me believe it was a computer setting a ratio. Can you imagine what the chances are of that happening?

@DisenchantedTruth Especially if this was an event which implicates more than a few bad actors as seems to be the case of the video. The likelihood that the DOJ is investigating facebook for more than visa hiring reasons right now seems plausable enough for me to consider, especially in light of increasing attempts on censorship of right/moderate voices. Currently sec. 203 is shielding them from a lot of litigation.

@busillis https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-lawsuit-against-facebook-discriminating-against-us-workers Dec. 3rd

@TaLoN132 is a voracious investigator

@TaLoN132 https://www.waynecounty.com/documents/clerk/nov20_votestats.pdf is just one such footprint I mentioned before. Page 93 is when precincts report that a total of 0 registered voters added some total of 100,000 votes to the total for Wayne county. Someone's not doing their job.

Everyone keeps asking why didn’t Trump get ahead of the curve if he knew there would be voter fraud? It still remains to be seen whether he did or didn’t. IMO-To what extent was he willing to go through remains to be seen also. I believe we are still getting the trickle.

Freedom of Information Act all election information system logs in suspect counties and prove it with the data

@Repeat That's what I'm thinking, too. OPSEC's important if this were actually as big as is alleged. I do recognize that I tread into conspiracy theory when I allege such things, so, grain of salt.

It could be like a mosaic where you have to step back to see the whole picture.

I don’t believe any of us are privy to that info because we would lose our security clearance if we were here discussing it.

Or arrested 🤣

If I have a secret clearance should I be worred? Lmfao

I may or may not.

5) What I am saying is that criminals tend to make mistakes, leave evidence, proof of a crime. Conspiracies tend to fall apart and yet with hundreds even thousands of affidavits claiming to provide evidence of fraud, not one bunch of replaced ballots showed up? No one caught going through security with pre-filled in ballots? Not one person caught in the act of swapping out fake ballots for real ones? It doesn't require a whistleblower to come forward... It takes one person who is involved in the conspiracy to be caught doing something suspicious and being interviewed by the authorities and making a deal. We've not found one person doing anything that caused them to lawyer up or anything.

And there is no way that a handful of people could perpetrate this level of fraud. Each precinct has it's own types of ballots - different local races, measures, etc. Each precinct - where they do the counting in most states, I believe - would have to be compromised - All in the same time period. The President and his legal team are asserting fraud on the scale of millions of votes. He thinks he won the popular vote. How many people would it take to flip nearly 4 million votes?

You notice we have tightened security clearances this last year or 2?

No more 10 year expiration date either

With what’s at stake, I don’t think we will see leaks through USA cracks especially under national emergency. If you’re looking for leaks, check Canada, Mexico etc.

How many Canadians in here read/watch underground right wing?

While I am watching both sides with interest, I have to admit that, being a Michigander, emotions are getting involved....to think that many of of were disenfranchised because of a few bad actors in a county that's known NATIONALLY for bad actors is pretty dang believable.

And I literally live 1.5 miles from the Wayne County line. I pay attention to ALL the crap that happens in that county. They're the most corrupt county I've ever witnessed and I've lived in Jefferson County (Denver, CO), Lee County (Ft/ Myers, FL), and close to Pulaski County (Little Rock, AR).....Wayne County's corruption knows no end.

@DisenchantedTruth, you just advanced to level 5!

> @TaLoN132 "Conspiracies tend to fall apart and yet with hundreds even thousands of affidavits claiming to provide evidence of fraud, not one bunch of replaced ballots showed up? No one caught going through security with pre-filled in ballots? Not one person caught in the act of swapping out fake ballots for real ones?"
There are a lot of those. What sort of evidence are you looking for in particular? I can hunt down some of the circulating videos I've taken note that indicate that some of these

But, in response to you wanting "proof"....eye witness testimony apparently doesn't count in your mind. As for the pristine ballots, I've screamed to high heaven to have ballots tested for paper type and ink .... THAT would show if they were all printed by the same printer as the official ballots.

I am a SQL data architect and developer. I have been doing it for more than 25 years. I work on massively scalable datasets for the Entertainment industry where demographic data is important. I could list my resume, but trust me that I am not a neophyte when it comes to data analysis. Matt Braynard is on the right track, but he could only do what he could with the information that he had. He found some suspicious things that absolutely should be followed up on. But until any of his claims of mail-in fraud produce an actual suspect, it is only a hint that something happened. I also think that his attempt to extrapolate his findings was flawed. Again, I don't think that scale is required to uncover the truth. If they could catch one or a few of the participants in a conspiracy, they will get to the truth. Until then, it's not proof.

Are you meaning perpetrator testimony, then? Have you heard the testimony of the guy asked to ship ballots from NY to PA?

Why can chain of custody logs not be produced for ballots delivered in some places? Why are 71% of Wayne County precincts unable to be recounted because they can't balance the ballot count with the poll books numbers?

I'm talking about someone that is under investigation by the authorities. Someone that would have to answer tough questions and stand up to investigative scrutiny. Where are the people being taken into custody? Put some pressure on them. Most of us would like to think that we are tough, but faced with the possibility of having to watch my kids and/or (future, God willing) grandkids grow up through glass... I am guessing I would be looking for an out.

There are too many things happening that have no valid explanation for me to agree that mass fraud didn't happen.....not to mention the idea that a guy who campaigned from his basement got more votes than even Obama?

Obama wasnt running against the worst potus 😅

That's good... They should be easy to investigate. Like I mentioned, rented mailboxes require ID. It's to make it harder to use them for money laundering and other illegal activities.

In large cities, though....there are places that are not USPS owned who provide mailbox services. Those places don't always follow the same guidelines as USPS.

Ah, than you mean an arrest, then? A criminal conviction. We haven't seen any indication that these people have been charged yet, but honestly I'm not particularly well-versed enough with federal law and charges to know if there have been any arrests made on this front or not. My conspiracy mind want's to say "opsec" but I recognize that it's not an argument. I'd personally call it a "Known unknown" if this woman Ruby Freeman and her alleged daughter are in custody or not.

@Recalibar, you just advanced to level 3!