Not sure if anyone has seen this article from the National Review. I think it is pretty comprehensive and breaks things down pretty well: https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/americans-deserve-the-truth-even-if-its-unpleasant/

Since GA implemented a 100% dominion system statewide, any kind of mass vote switch or shenanigans (like processing stacks of Biden votes multiple times) would have been found out with the complete hand recount. Changing votes by software would have been caught by the hand recount.

@TrumanHW 9/11 was not an inside job. The more likely story is that all skyscrapers are pre-wired with explosives to make sure that a single building could not cause a chain reaction across a skyline. The govt can't admit this publicly, because it would tip off to terrorists that any attack on a building would bring it down and the might try to target this theoretical mass-conflagration prevention system to remotely bring buildings down. In any case, I think it would be irresponsible if any big city did not have this capability. As such, when conspiracies point out how unlikely it is for these buildings to come down in a neat pile, they are right, but it was not part of the 9/11 plot, it was the city protecting itself. It's just better to let people believe the conspiracy.

That's kind of what I'm saying.... That's the big proof given in support of the inside job conspiracy theories.

What are the levels?

@RobertGrulerEsq If voter fraud was done between those last 2 boxes, wouldn't they be able to commit fraud on either mail-in or in-person voting equally. That is at the vote processing center.

@RobertGrulerEsq I'm a software architect, so the Dominion angle really interests me. From my research on the Dominion-Smartmatic relationship, the Sequoia link is tenuous for proving a link. Sequoia is an old company that has been around since the 70's. They were the manufacturer of the infamous dimpled/hanging chad machines from the 2000 election. In 2005, they sold to Smartmatic. They were forced to sell Sequoia in 2007 to a holding company and then sold the assets to Dominion. Sequoia filed for bankruptcy in 2014. In my experience, it takes a while to integrate systems from an acquired company - longer than 2 years. I think it's interesting though, that a Sequoia is being linked to the disputes in this election given what happened 20 years ago.

That's quite a long chain... What does it mean that these relationships predate the 2016 election by a lot. If they had this capability then, then what are we saying about the outcome of that election?

Possibly, but they acquired the Sequoia systems in 2010. If it was a conspiracy to rig elections, that's a long implementation.

@Whithers That's my point regarding the 2016 election. This capability would have existed then.

I'm not familiar enough with the punch card tabulating systems. My guess is that it went through many iterations. The scenario that Powell is promoting is that Smartmatic - being formed in FL in 1999 by Venezuelan expats - worked with Hugo Chavez in 2003 to build a system that he could use to manipulate vote counts. My guess is that they acquired Sequoia more for their e-Voting system that was relatively new, at that time. Given that we are talking about post 2000, the voting machines are likely running a fairly modern OS and they are developed on a relatively recent development environment (possibly Linux/Java or Windows/VB). The management and tabulation systems are likely run on a PC. Complete speculation on my part given the age of the founders of Smartmatic.

It seems that with the Georgia hand recount affirming the count, that the idea that Dominion (they use Dominion statewide) is switching or deleting votes via some embedded backdoor functionality becomes less and less likely. It also puts a damper on the assertion that votes were switched on a foreign server. It also shows that bad faith actors did not process the same stacks of ballots multiple times to jack up the vote for their chosen candidate. It really only leaves the option of what @RobertGrulerEsq was suggesting about vote replacement in the last step of the chain of custody. Mail-in ballots being replaced for one candidate being replaced with ballots for another. But why wouldn't they have tried to affect the downstream ballot races?

My reasoning is using the Smartmatic - Venezuela connection as the starting point - as Sidney Powell has asserted.

So, given that the GA recount disproves mass vote flipping, doesn't it go a long way in invalidating nearly all of the assertions regarding an embedded software malware or hidden nefarious function that flips votes?

It was actually my assertion...

@Whithers I mean software vote flipping. In order to pass a paper vote hand-recount, the person doing the flipping would have to be able to replace the paper votes to match the count. It could not be software only.

I'm more of a cross between an elephant and a rhinoceros (also my favorite Dad joke)...

I'm not big on labels... I think it leads to tribalism and discourages independent thought. I have seen too many people on the left and right lose the ability to think for themselves. Liberals will fall in lock step when progressives over-reach and start making the ridiculous assertion for defunding the police. People on the far right will start ignoring any facts that go against the assertions of our President.

Hmmm... I am doubtful that those are the only options. We already live in a blended society, which has worked for a long, long time. In the staunchest conservative will agree that we need to collectively fund infrastructure, police, fire, military, etc.

I meant putting a label myself. I take the Groucho Marx approach: I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. 😄

It makes me really fun at parties... Well, when we could have parties.

@Whithers Trying to follow your story... Was your brother adopted when your Dad rescued him?

So... Are you guys lamenting that the Nazis lost? I'm having a hard time keeping up.

We need that sarcasm emoji...

I thought that ancient Hebrew didn't have vowels... Or is that just in the Torah?

I only remember that because I read that fad book the Bible Code when it came out. Do you remember that book?

No... the Bible Code by Michael Drosnin.

Trump should dip into the $100m he said that he was going to put into his re-election campaign. At 2000% matching, that would be... yikes.

Hmmm... @Whithers that's not really a centrist perspective. 😉

I think that the whole MSM vs RWM dichotomy has been very polarizing. It's not healthy to put blind faith in either.

I don't take anything at face value any more. There are very few news sources that I trust any more, because they are all catering to their target audiences. It's all about maximizing eyeballs.

Woodrow Wilson... what a complicated president. He was also (apparently) a racist. But he did predict that Germany would not do well under oppressive sanctions.

They are not lefties... They are Corporatists.

I was being generous.

I'll check it out.

Of course, this might be me misreading your sarcasm again...

I know that area... Lived in Klamath Falls, OR for a few years and we camped at Shasta quite a bit.

@Whithers Every drive through the Tule Fog coming down into the Sacramento valley?

*Ever

I drove through it a long time ago... I used to drive until I came up on a tractor trailer and then draft until it cleared.

Tule Fog is a weather phenomenon... So think you can barely see the front of your car.

*Thick

The 152.... Driven it many times.

Along the coast...

Have driven up 101/PCH many times. Used to stop in Carmel and Monterey. Lived in San Jose as a teenager. Used to drive to Santa Cruz to hang at the boardwalk all the time.

Talk about an awful freeway, the 17 had its own dead mans curve on the way to Santa Cruz.

Go ahead... Make my day.

@LoveJoyPeace777 The hand recount is to make sure that the tabulated totals match the ballots received. GA has a fairly sophisticated signature verification. They do a signature match when they receive the application for the mail-in ballot. Then they do another signature match when the ballot is received. All matches are double verified.

Once the ballot is received and the signature is verified, they are separated to ensure the anonymity of the vote (by law). Even if they were able to determine that some of the signature matches were done improperly, there is no way to tie it back to their ballot.

I got distracted. I'm in CA now. I grew up an AF brat until junior high and then enlisted in the Navy after HS.

Lived in San Antonio as a kid - dad was stationed at Shephard AFB.

Sorry Wichita Falls.

San Antonio was where I was conceived... True story.

Not sure I would call myself a warrior... I was a squid.

I did try out for Seal consideration when I was boot camp. It was a reason to get out of the barracks for a while. I couldn't complete the pull ups...

Too funny... My parents were both in the AF in SA for basic training.... they got married there thinking my dad was headed to Vietnam. I was born 9 1/2 months later.

@Whithers How did you end up in Army Intel?

I have a funny story about the ASVAB... I went with a group to the processing center for the physical and test. Afterwards, the recruiter was giving everyone their scores. They ranged from 25 to low 50's. I asked him how I did, he said about that. I said BS. He motioned for me to drop it. Pulled me aside and said he couldn't tell me in front of the others, but I had gotten the highest possible 98 or 99, I can't remember now.

Just like Red Dawn...

Aww... True fell into the sarcasm trap that I did earlier...

My dad was in the induction line and realized that if he was going to have to serve, he might as well enlist. He went to the Navy recruiter who was at lunch. The next door was the AF, and they were in. They asked if he had taken the oath yet, and he hadn't.

@Whithers I was an Operation Specialist - fancy name for a Radar Man. I qualified for Nuke training, which was coming in on a waiver because of excessive traffic tickets - lead foot as a kid.

How do you figure?

My kid think there's something wrong with me... I just about spit beer out my nose. Thanks, @True

Interesting... The ship I was on has also been decommissioned.

@Benny2Toes The birth date was a default for the data entry system, back in the day 01/01/00. Some of the system showed that as the voter birthdate, but that was due to operator error - before the election.

Pre, During, and Post.... In writing.

My grandmother told us that we were descended of Increase Mather (father of Cotton Mather - from the Salem Witchcraft Trials infamy - though she always made a point of saying that we were not descended from Cotton). We have an extensive genealogy and it shows that my ancestors have fought (and some died) in every conflict since before the Revolutionary War. I was brought up with it. My parents served, my uncle in Vietnam, my grandfather and his brothers in WWII, my great grandfather and his brother in WWI... you get the idea.

@Whithers It's been a pleasure...

Sounds good

@Benny2Toes As I understand it, it was in other systems that were used to compare the voter rolls to see if people who had died had been registered. It showed up as an anomaly as the other system had converted data that defaulted to that date if it was missing from the original system. So, it looked like the person who had voted was born on 1/1/1900, but the registration was different.

@NoobDad The machines do print paper ballots. I have used the machines myself. When you complete the e-Ballot, there is a printer behind glass that prints out your ballot - you can't touch it, but you can see it. Before you submit your ballot, you are prompted to verify that the printed ballot matches your intentions.

@Benny2Toes I remember seeing those dates in conjunction with people trying to identify possible dead people that were registered to vote. I could be thinking of something different.

@NoobDad Scytl lists the state of GA as a customer. It's not a secret: https://www.scytl.com/en/customers/state-of-georgia/

It appears that it is dashboard tool that they use to represent the voting totals. They don't appear to use the detailed voter data - only the totals that are transmitted to them by the state.

It doesn't show that it is tabulating the data. You can upload the totals or aggregates, so they can be made to be pretty - charts and graphs and such.

Very few businesses use only one system. I have helped many companies use disparate systems that have no affiliation with each other. I know many companies that use a proprietary Accounts Receivable system where a custom interface is created to transmit aggregate data to a different General Ledger system.

I'll watch the video...

@NoobDad I'm a software architect and engineer. I've worked in virtually every modern development environment, but my specialty is highly scalable database systems.

I still don't know how vote switching in software could overcome a full hand recount - given that the voting machines printed out a paper ballot.

The voter sees the printout and verifies that it matches.

It's part of the submittal process - and the printed ballots are behind glass and not accessible.

Texas doesn't use Dominion Voting systems

They rejected them 3 times, because they did not meet their RFP specs. I reviewed their findings online.

I would have to see what kind of system TX ended up with. They might have a printout that you don't see. Almost all new systems are requiring printed ballots for the very purpose of being able to verify the votes.

Open source is theoretically safer, because people like us can review the code and verify that there is nothing scary about it.

@NoobDad The printed ballots are collected by poll workers at the end of the day. I am not sure if there is any kind of a verification process, but I believe that there is a process where the paper ballots are collected from the machines at the end of the day and they are sealed and maintained with a "chain of custody" type procedure, so that they can be counted by precinct in the event of a recount.

It's the by precinct that helps to ensure that they are balancing out correctly.

@DrSammyD I'm not sure what you mean? That more people requested absentee during a pandemic?

@NoobDad From what the GA Sec of State said, they required double verification - twice. Signatures were verified when the mail-in ballot was requested. And then double verified again when the ballot was received at their precinct.

@DrSammyD Since the WI legislature allowed that designation for absentee ballot requests, by definition it is not fraudulent.

@DrSammyD Not according to the Republican Sec of State in GA.

@DrSammyD "They don't have to show a photo ID but it does not exempt them from voter registration, signing their absentee certificate and having a witness on their absentee ballot," said Meagan Wolfe, Wisconsin's chief election official.

@NoobDad They are separated by law... In order to preserve anonymity and to prevent the buying of votes. It's the same reason why you are not allowed to take a picture of your ballot at a polling place.

@DrSammyD https://elections.wi.gov/node/6788 According to the WI gov site, people can request that status because of CoVid-19. If the registrar was concerned that they may not qualify, they could call the voter to verify that they are. Otherwise, rock on.

@NoobDad Here's why I don't accept that mail-in voter fraud is as big an issue as many might think. First, a person that commits mail-in voter fraud has to tell the state where to mail the ballot so they can receive it (even if they used an address that wasn't theirs they would still need access to it and there would be a practical limit as to how many fraudulent ballots you could have sent to a single address). Second, a person that commits mail-in fraud is risking prosecution for 3 felonies (identity theft, mail fraud, and voter fraud). The logistics involved with orchestrating a massive mail-in fraud operation would be exceedingly daunting. It doesn't make sense that it would be registration/mail-in side of the equation.

@NoobDad Here in CA, all registered voters get mail-in ballots. There are 5 other states that do it the same way. We can fill in the ballot and mail it in, put it in a designated official drop box, or designate someone to drop if off for you at your polling place on election day (they have to show their ID when dropping off your ballot). If you want to vote in person, you can bring your mail-in ballot with you and surrender it - or you can vote provisionally (which will only count if they don't receive your mail-in ballot.

@DrSammyD WI did not say that you had to have CoVid to be designated as indefinite - they said that you had to be in a high-risk category.

@NoobDad Yeah.... GA admitted that they had issues with the primary. They made modifications for the general election.

@NoobDad I watched her video. She seemed pretty credible. I would be interested in knowing more specifics. I know that there is a process that they use for fixing ballots that have been damaged - like if they got caught in a scanner and was ripped or if there was a problem when they took it out of the envelop. There is supposed to be a repair process that allows a bipartisan verification of the copying of the ballot choices onto a fresh ballot. I assume they would set these aside and process them all at once. If they were really identical, someone messed up or got lazy (the missing signature may be a clue). That might explain why fresh ballots were used and why this was an isolated incident. It is not necessarily indicative of massive fraud. While possibly reprehensible, its not enough to overturn an election.