@DisenchantedTruth, you just advanced to level 5!

> @TaLoN132 "Conspiracies tend to fall apart and yet with hundreds even thousands of affidavits claiming to provide evidence of fraud, not one bunch of replaced ballots showed up? No one caught going through security with pre-filled in ballots? Not one person caught in the act of swapping out fake ballots for real ones?"
There are a lot of those. What sort of evidence are you looking for in particular? I can hunt down some of the circulating videos I've taken note that indicate that some of these

But, in response to you wanting "proof"....eye witness testimony apparently doesn't count in your mind. As for the pristine ballots, I've screamed to high heaven to have ballots tested for paper type and ink .... THAT would show if they were all printed by the same printer as the official ballots.

I am a SQL data architect and developer. I have been doing it for more than 25 years. I work on massively scalable datasets for the Entertainment industry where demographic data is important. I could list my resume, but trust me that I am not a neophyte when it comes to data analysis. Matt Braynard is on the right track, but he could only do what he could with the information that he had. He found some suspicious things that absolutely should be followed up on. But until any of his claims of mail-in fraud produce an actual suspect, it is only a hint that something happened. I also think that his attempt to extrapolate his findings was flawed. Again, I don't think that scale is required to uncover the truth. If they could catch one or a few of the participants in a conspiracy, they will get to the truth. Until then, it's not proof.

Are you meaning perpetrator testimony, then? Have you heard the testimony of the guy asked to ship ballots from NY to PA?

Why can chain of custody logs not be produced for ballots delivered in some places? Why are 71% of Wayne County precincts unable to be recounted because they can't balance the ballot count with the poll books numbers?

I'm talking about someone that is under investigation by the authorities. Someone that would have to answer tough questions and stand up to investigative scrutiny. Where are the people being taken into custody? Put some pressure on them. Most of us would like to think that we are tough, but faced with the possibility of having to watch my kids and/or (future, God willing) grandkids grow up through glass... I am guessing I would be looking for an out.

There are too many things happening that have no valid explanation for me to agree that mass fraud didn't happen.....not to mention the idea that a guy who campaigned from his basement got more votes than even Obama?

Obama wasnt running against the worst potus 😅

That's good... They should be easy to investigate. Like I mentioned, rented mailboxes require ID. It's to make it harder to use them for money laundering and other illegal activities.

In large cities, though....there are places that are not USPS owned who provide mailbox services. Those places don't always follow the same guidelines as USPS.

Ah, than you mean an arrest, then? A criminal conviction. We haven't seen any indication that these people have been charged yet, but honestly I'm not particularly well-versed enough with federal law and charges to know if there have been any arrests made on this front or not. My conspiracy mind want's to say "opsec" but I recognize that it's not an argument. I'd personally call it a "Known unknown" if this woman Ruby Freeman and her alleged daughter are in custody or not.

@Recalibar, you just advanced to level 3!

I'm looking for a way to prove or disprove the idea that a massive conspiracy took place to flip millions of votes as Trump and his team have asserted. It would have to involve the coordinated efforts of many, many people.

Trust me.. We would know. Trump tweeted about ballots being found before the election before the investigation by the DOJ really even started.

Even just like the start of things would be cool. Like if you accuse a sitting govenor or sec if state of rigging an election or getting paid by China or Biden buying the election a money trail or solid basis.

That's the thinking. If the dominion vote changing system allegations are true, well, it would require a lot of parties to be in on it. It's an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. But thousands of affidavits signal that there's extraordinary evidence, as well.

I've rented boxes and Mail Boxes Etc and the UPS Store before. Had to provide ID and a place for them to send the bill or a credit card.

@DisenchantedTruth And if they were rented without ID or they used fake ID... Bingo.. We have something to investigate. Check surveillance video. Fingerprint the mailbox. Get a composite drawing from the clerk. Look at video from the surrounding areas.

I'm loving this conversation - thank you all for jumping in. I am trying to respond to each point. If I forget one, please poke me.

Oh, I'd be giddy if arrest announcements came out. There was a story of someone in Texas who was running in an electoral board being arrested by the FBI but it was impossible to find now so I have no choice but to dismiss the claim. There was also the allegation that the ICE twitter was taken down after pedophelia ring bust, but the only thing I can attest to there was a screenshot of the story posted and personal testimony that I saw ICE's twitter actually having been banned. The story was otherwise taken down, if it ever existed to begin with and wasn't a forgery/slip up from someone.

ICE has since been restored, within around eight hours I believe. Sometime in november.

If it's unrelated, it's as unrelated as the DOJ investigating facebook right now for preferential visa hiring.

https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1326995082495537152?s=19 🙂

Ooh that's what guilianis witness is ranting about 🤣

If you look at the first few pages Detroit has the registered voters by precinct and the in person voters but 0 on mailin votes. Page 93 has the presincts listed over again with just the mailin votes. I dont know what rule or law or method they split it for but that seems to be the cause. If they listed registered voters as second time itd probably double the number.

I wish the Congress leader wasnt a dick the followup questions would have been great

Yeah like, obviously someone isn't doing their job lol. This has been an issue in Detroit for literally years, according to testimony from the board of canvassers. They went in pretty hard on the republican canvassers for refusing to sign off on the accuracy of the precincts when she was saying "Yeah this is a problem..."

It's a very odd way of recording the numbers but they still should work. The problem they weren't signing off on the numbers was different. That's a mismatch of the final vote counts.

There was 257619 ballots counted but their totals of votes there was supposed to be was like 400 more or less I wasnt sure which. Theres some amount of errors like this especially when you have lots working long hours.

Anyway, long story short so I'm not conspiracy theorizing here, there haven't been any confirmed announcements of arrests in relation to fraudulent vote efforts. But in my personal observations, I can see the possibility of opsec as being an important factor to consider, so I can't dismiss that it's a possibility.

I lived in the U.P. as a kid. My dad was stationed at KI Sawyer AFB. Loved it there, but don't miss the snow. I can drive an hour from here in OC CA and see snow whenever I want.

I understand your concerns about Wayne County and you are obviously closer to the situation than I am, but I had some issues/questions with the testimony that was provided in the Senate hearing - especially that of Dr. Travers, who I figure was their star witness. During her testimony, she mentioned several times about Wayne county in general, but specifically, Detroit, (I think - I am doing this from memory) was 71 or 72% out of balance and called into question the validity of 72% of the vote. However, not once did she mention that over the 159 (I think) precincts, they were only out of balance 441 votes. To call into question the validity of 72% of the vote when only out of balance by a total of 441 votes is intellectually dishonest which made me question her motives - because as an expert she would have to know.

Then, she related a story where she was at a voting office and she witnessed an individual dropping off 50 votes and said that she knew that it was a felony to do so and... Did nothing about it. She didn't call the police report the election clerk who accepted the votes... nothing. That would have been great to point to documentation to support her story, but she didn't provide any and admitted to witnessing a felony in progress without reporting it.

I also took issue with the way she called the precincts in Detroit "lazy" for not balancing. Those are large precincts and finding the error that caused them to be in most cases under 5 ballots out of balance would be cost prohibitive. That's why they choose to certify.

Lastly, the law that says you can't audit an out of balance precinct is non-sensical... Ridiculous the Rep controlled legislature should change that immediately.

If you balance every McDonalds register in the country it could be plus or minus thousands of dollars. But as long as 1 register isnt missing 1000 dollars they let it slide.

> @TaLoN132 Lastly, the law that says you can't audit an out of balance precinct is non-sensical... Ridiculous the Rep controlled legislature should change that immediately.
I'd drink to that. I mean, I can admire someone dedicated to their job as to investigate even a meager 441 votes before submitting to the state board of canvassers. But the way she was treated in her public hearing zoom call was inappropriate and appalling. She'd since had to move out of her home since she and her children were being targeted.

The number of registers with wrong change is absolutely more 😅

I'll be transparent in that I'm not all that clear on what constitutes what is "in" or "out" of balance, but I look at that Wayne county report and see those zero registered voters for certain precincts and have several questions.

Theres a reason she got called out though. She just flat out said I'm going to certify all the white suburban neighborhoods with hundreds of votes off but detroit I'm gonna take your 250k votes. But beyond that they dont have the power to investigate as an administrative board so they utterly violated civil rules that these types of boards have followed election after election. So this was seen as a large abuse of power. Both sides shouldn't have been as emotional for sure. I'm just disappointed 1 one state guy still said I dont care what the law says let's hunt for fraud.

Well, when they get that fishing license I'm sure they'll catch a fair few fish.

@Recalibar, you just advanced to level 4!

There is folks on the local level that do checks and things before passing the final numbers on to the board I dont know what all those positions are called but some of then spoke at the hearing.

I'd love to see some testimony from those folks, to be sure. The people doing their jobs with signed affidavits they were IAW the law. Any of those folks come forward?

You sign affidavits when there is a court involved. There is no legal action on that side