Hi

Believing in the religion indicates you have abandoned any kind of rational pursuit of truth. You fundamentally do not justify your belief anymore in order to feel happier, free your mind and/or be a part of a community.
Therefore, it is inconceivable to hold sound positions being religious as part of your fundamental premises are built on your irrational belief.
Example:
Religious people may be against abortion for the sole reason it is morally wrong in their religion.
Religious people may feel inequalities/wealth gap are justified as they believe in free will given from god, thus ignoring any socio-economic factors.
Therefore ***stop believing in religion***

Then at least accept your belief is irrational and justified by emotions.

And do not use your religious beliefs as premises for other positions.

Please explain me how you can logically justify religion @Ishkode

@Techpriest What are your philosophical axioms based on?

Is there an IQ difference between races?

Why do you think so

What evidence points to intelligence being influenced by environmental factors?

@Deleted User

I'm not a white supremacist by the way

@Gerry But there is a huge difference if it's because of their genes or the environment

If it's in their genes it means it's inherent to them and it won't change

That's why the issue is controversial and emotional

@Deleted User I totally agree with your claim and I would be surprised with any scientific data contradicting it

Now

Does that means intelligence cannot be genetic?

So we accept there is a genetic factor and a environmental one

Could you link me to studies

That's pretty much the whole discussion, how much percent is genetic

And if it is 60-80%, that would mean some ethnicity are genetically less intelligent on average

Indeed

It looks like theyre trying to identify genes responsible for intelligence

Well if it's 70% genetic then the current difference in IQ couldn't be explained with environment

It would be largely genetic too

No but some skin color are correlated with a smarter brain

that would be the claim

What's the relevance?

It's a correlation

not a causation

If that's even true

Well that's easy

Why do we have affirmative action then

We allow certain races to be prioritized in the education system

But if intelligence was based on genetics

that would prove it's not caused by their disadvange

but by their genes

Yes

but a high genetic percentage

such as 60-80% which was claimed earlier

It's a claim from Fetty

I'm just saying what it would mean IF it was true

It would mean policies such as affirmative action are irrelevant

From what I've understood @Yiddlemethisgoyim

Studies take twins which are very genetically similar

They follow they growth through different environments

And it seems from some studies that the environment did not have such an influence

And they also followed adopted black kid raised in good environment but the IQ also seemed not to be that influenced

They might be bullshit the studies

I dont know

well

IQ is correlated with race

IQ is genetically based

Therefore some races are genetically inferior

Once you accept IQ is genetics, the leap is straightforward

?

and yes iq is correlated with racew

but I think it's environmental

It is though

Then why are policies such as affirmative action based on race

It is when we want to advantage black people?

Everyone accepts race

And it seems some race have higher IQ

Well most people accept the concept of race

Why is it used in affirmative action?

Ok

We also know that generally, black people have lower IQ

Yes true

You can't use race sometimes and deny it when you don't like it

How is that relevant?

Yews

Im just claiming

Sure

I can accept that

But then once again you know I'll come back to my earlier argument

you use race when you need it

but deny it when you don't like the facts

You give an advantage to black people in America because statistically they are not treating fairly

But we find that this same group of people

Has a lower IQ in general

Now we can't use race

It's too "broad"

Why?

Then you can't use affirmative action

Do you agree

So

Do you agree with affirmative action?

and if those two following premises were true:

IQ is based 100% on genetics

There is a IQ difference between race

Im saying if it were true

Let's say you accept the premises

Im just trying to isolate the part where we disagree

that's why im making an hypothetical

Let's just say they were true

Would you still agree with Affirmative action

Why

Assuming the premises are true

But you are stopping people with more potential achieve better

Then you're not advocating for affirmative action