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I have several cops in my family, most white cops are sympathetic to us
Oh I know this for a fact
And VSP from rural Virginia...
It's always tricky though
Public discord here so deleting that out of respect
Indeed but I'm not too worried about the cops as long as we act like whites
Idk who is on here
I was digging around in the police politics of Virginia and found Mark Warner but I was looking at this and I thought "WHY is it normal for politicians now to be worth in the double and triple millions of dollars???"
WHY is this "okay?"
I'm continuing this in <#321378710265659393>
Bootlicking cops is not going to gain us anything
Acting like an ancap autiste is only going to get you treated like a nigger
Im not saying you should do the Antifa "all cops are bastards chants" but doing the "blue lives matter" chants and bootlicking is equally as bad. Cops are not our friends. Just act professional and respectful
Get to know more cops IRL
No one hates niggers more than white cops
The police chief of Cville is not even white
VSP will be the main force on the ground, i.e. rural whites from VA
Like I said, we should be professional and respectful when interacting with law enforcement but I just don't want people to get some false idea that the police as an entity are our friends or are on our side. That's all
The institute isn't
Individual rank and file may be
And many times it's those individuals who decide if you are getting a warning or a felony
There will be plenty of Oathcucks there to chant blue lives matter. We won't have to do it.
Can't we ban them?? Lol
Yeah.. I despise those larpy tryhards
They usually stand in the middle with the police anyway
They won't be allowed in our AO as far as I know. I doubt that the PD will let them stand with them either. Not at this rally.
Guess they'll have to stand with Antifa
I'm dying over here.
Reminder that if you're arrested, even if you didn't do anything wrong
Laws on pocket knives?
@Mr. Bulldops see pinned mess. No problems with pocket knives. Anything else is pretty much a no
Are the cops going to search for weapons at some checkpoint?
Is there a list of forbidden items
nvm just saw above
Someone discussed knives above, what abount blunt objects like batons?
If you don't have a flame thrower you're wrong. Just oven yourself and get it over with
Does anyone here know if expandable spring batons can be carried openly
or not at all
Can you only carry ASP's, period?
The law on this seems super ague
Soring batons completely illegal to my knowledge
I call the Virginia State Police and ask if Firearms was the only reciprocated weapon. I was told by the dispatcher that any weapon that you could carry in the state of Kentucky concealed carry their. I'm not sure if that's entirely correct but that's what the state police told me
Ya I wouldn't go off that.
Referring you to another state's laws is just setting yourself up to be wrong
I know. I was reading on the part about knives and other conceal weapons and it isn't very clear what they will and will not allow
And honestly if something happens they're going to push against us regardless of the circumstances
knives and guns are more legal than blunt weapons or batons, but its better to only carry what could only be perceived as a defensive tool. i figure knives would cause the police more alarm over a can of pepper spray or a rugged and abrasive shield
did we ever get any clear answer on the flagpole question
Whip them into passivity like their parent's should have
Why would you carry that around
Why don't you have a sense of humor <:spaghetti_supremacy:321790566851543041>
🤣 But actually a 3' cord makes for a good weapon. Question is, what can we get away with, without receiving assault charges?
@Baeravon if it presents the optics of merely being a weapon to attack, then it's a bad idea.
Exactly. You have a week, bros. Best spend it having four or five of your friends simulate jumping you. Go light, don't get injured before the event, and focus on blocking and pushing back in ways that don't look like assault. Focus on disengaging and getting out of the attackers' dogpile. And just be ready to take beatings while protecting vitals. You'll live, you won't get arrested, and you might even get enemies arrested.
Notice the passive aggressive way that Fellarca shoulder-pushes the fashy guy. We may need to stick to that kind of strategy.
That video made my blood boil. She's a disgusting, vile person.
Yeah, give off the "don't fuck with me" vibe, but don't pull a Felarca
Appealing to those pigs is such a stupid white trait it pisses me off so much
Welcome to the pit of vipers.
His first mistake was not slapping her. The second you let a strike, even a pitiful one, go unanswered, you embolden these pond scum
Why would you want to taze yourself?
@everyone If you are worried about if it is a weapon, it could be called one. It's not the weapon it's the person who wields it.
The best weapon we have is our minds and the people to our left and right. If the moment comes, violence of action and team work will win the day not any apparatus.
These are not reasoning people we're dealing with, friend.
Unless you really know what you are doing I would not rely on a stun gun.
holy fucking shit are people actually posting improvised weapons in the discord
are you fucking retarded
Violence of action is extremely important!
on what planet do you think its okay to do that
I knew this would get the Jewish cat lady's attention
inb4 it was just a prank bro
just fuck my shit up fam.
@everyone Just carry a pocket full of rocks. They can be in a sock or something.
Don't do that
They are only rocks right?
This man is mentally retarded
I'm going to have pepper spray
Is this legal in Va? Asking for a friend who just had his extension cord whip retk.
Studies show 999/1000 niggers and feminists fuck right off when faced with pepper spray
(Don't carry a pocket full of rocks)
This is the official self defense strategy of the alt-right
Are we back to me demanding advice on bringing my horse riders from Eli?
A sock full of rocks is potentially lethal, see Clanton
Stop cluttering this channel with things unrelated to Virginia laws y'all
Can't help it.
Every channel in an alt-right discord is a shitposting channel
I just wanted the T(ank)Q answered.
It's not and telling people to bring a weapon that will likely get them arrested is directly working against UTR attendees
I was kidding about the tank.
The rocks, it's a really poor idea and would likely get our people arrested.
We all hope for the best, and would prefer it to be conflict-free. The use of wisdom, logic, and intelligence is the best choice. But everyone should be prepared to defend themselves if need be.
Uniting together for our common cause is the best weapon we can bring
The ANTIFAgs aren't going to do anything IMO [edited for spergs]
At least at the rally
good idea to operate under that assumption tbh^
Outside of the rally, I'd say roll with at least a coupla' three bros
That's actually stupid
Everything you've just said
Southern police don't let these twinks run wild like the ones here in CA do
Underestimating your enemy is retarded
And these fucks want you to be with a couple or three of your boys so that they can mob you with 20
So no, that's stupid
Big groups are better
I was at Berkeley, it's not underestimating them to say 90% of them are 80lb weaklings looking for their next fix
Most could easily be snapped like towels
Saying that you don't think they are going to do anything when they've been shown to act violently any time they can is underestimating.
Obviously giant groups are better
They are crazy and erratic individuals
You can't expect them to act logically
Yeah, that dumpster ram in April wasn't very logical lol
Whatever just keep your buddy's close, never let your guard down and always be vigilant
Watching 5 of them cling to it after our goys pushed it back into them was hilarious
They literally want to kill us man.
We have to be ready for everything
And saying they aren't going to do anything is stupid
Because you don't know what they are going to do.
"They're going to have a GRIDS Mecha loaded with Bikelock Missiles and we need to come prepped in tacticool gear"
Being a sarcastic ass is slightly better than being one who tells people our enemy won’t do anything, I suppose.
Just my 2 cents, I'm not telling anyone what to do
Well your 2 cents is stupid
And if you are going to tell people not to be prepared you're not helping at all.
And saying "they won't do anything" is the same as saying don't be prepared
Yeah, sure, if I actually said that
Editing to say "imo"
I don't know why you are getting butt hurt about being corrected when you are being stupid
I mean, if I made a ridiculous claim and someone corrected me I wouldn't get upset
But that's just me I guess
Why do the most opinionated amoung this group and (I'm presuming least experienced in these rallies) always feel the strongest need to give their bad advice. Maybe its like lifting where people who cant bench two plates feel the strongest need to put their bad advice in your face to compensate
or maybe people are just excited and anxious. let's not further divide, we are to unite the right 😃
Being excited is no reason to be a turd.
I'm all for quelling infighting, but if somebody says something that might get people hurt, that has to get shut down.
Maybe these big mouths who are oh so certain of their badass street cred and limitless pwnage capabilities could be excited in a less explicitly harmful way
Not being able to bench two plates is illegal in Virginia.
You wish, nigger
My god goys....if we shot eachother down everytime sometime gave an opinion we didnt agree with we'd never get anywhere. @Gustavschwer-OH Why so aggressive with your fellow kinfolk?? Are we strangers or are we brothers in this fight.? Some of you need to remember who we are and how to talk to one another
There's a difference between shooting down a person and an idea-- particularly a bad idea.
Also this isn't exactly the crowd for tone policing lol.
I think this is exactly the crowd. We should all be very mindful of one another. If we dont agree with someone we can express that in a well tempered and well mannered way. We're all brothers here
If someone wants to suggest things that are going to get my brothers hurt I am going to make my opinion known so that it doesn't happen.
And it's not so much that it's an opinion that I disagree with its blatant stupidity that's going to get someone hurt.
Sure I understand that, youve made that clear a couple times. But when we go to give feed back on their "stupid 2 cents" and tell them "That's actually stupid, everything you just said", you wouldnt think thats a little agressive in your approach of correction? Anyways....Ive talked too much now:/ Ive just seen a few arguements start on here and its dissapointing. Ill stop the "tone policing" haha, sorry
I didn't tell anyone to do anything
Tbh if a random dude on the interwebs saying he doesn't think it will be a bloodbath is somehow enough to convince someone to show up in a pink unitard with "Kick Me!" written on their back, that person deserves what happens to them
This will be a lot of people's first event, so yes, it's important they have a realistic idea of what could happen so they can prepare properly. Those who are inexperienced are looking to these channels for advice, so everyone should keep that in mind when posting.
Especially in channels like "Virginia laws" "tactics" etc
Just thought you'd find this amusing
oh i saw
piss poor planning..every time
Unite the right doesnt mean you don't correct stupid shit that is going to get inexperienced people hurt.
Being divisive doesn't mean we are now no judgement shitlibs who treat everything is a carefree flowery way regardless of consequence.
Initiial survey of laws to be aware of regarding the change of permit location. I'm not an expert, nor suggesting a particular course of action, I just want to be informed before I go.
Failure to Disperse from Riot or Unlawful Assembly in Virginia
It is a Class 3 misdemeanor under §18.2-407 to remain at the place of a riot or unlawful assembly in Virginia after receiving a lawful order to disperse. To convict an offender of failing to disperse from a riot or unlawful assembly in Virginia under §18.2-407, the Commonwealth must prove that a riot or unlawful assembly occurred, the offender received a lawful warning to disperse, and the offender remained at the place of the riot or unlawful assembly after receiving the warning to disperse.
Class 3 and 4 misdemeanors, the least serious misdemeanors, are punishable by fines, but no jail time. A Class 3 misdemeanor is punishable by a fine of up to $500. A Class 4 misdemeanor is punishable by a fine of up to $250. (Va. Ann. Code § 18.2-11.)
I'm not certain of laws applied to tourists (Canada) if arrested for misdemeanors, I think they can forbid us entry to the US in the future if we're stopped even for small things. If anyone knows more let me know but we might not be able to take a chance to incur small charges.
I'm looking around for relevant statutes on lawfully CC'ing compounded with that statute above "Failure to Disperse...etc"
If we lose the permit, you probably shouldn't have a firearm
IANAL, but once you commit a crime you're no longer lawfully CCing.
And at that point it just becomes posession of a firearm whilst in the comission of a crime.
I won't be carrying if we don't have a permit, because that opens the door to a misdemeanor which can be elevated to a felony if I'm carrying. I won't tell anybody else what to do.
According to this http://humbrechtlaw.com/unlawful-assembly-in-virginia/ you are correct.
10 years for carrying, even if you are legally, and are declared part of an unlawful assembly that gets categorized as a riot or mob.
Which is a very real possibility if we are told to disperse and/or a melee breaks out.
"In most cases, every member of the group is responsible for any crimes committed by any other member of the group."
your class 4 misdeamor will turn into a felony if you're carrying
That's the gist of it
Basically if you're gonna carry, have a good attorney.
Basically don't carry.
Is a baseball helmet no cage against the face covering law?
It doesn't have anything covering your face, and it's just a helmet?
I have no idea. I am not a lawyer and don't want to hand out legal advice lol.
Helmets /should/ be fine. Ballistic armor, not so much.
As far as a helmet that has no face coverings, I don't see how that would bring the face covering law into question... since there is no face covering.
I'll be on the side of caution then.
I just dont want to get a head injury.
You won't get in trouble for a helmet.
TBH if we don't get the permit reinstated I would rethink coming altogether (we have a Wheatfield Dweller thing being organized away from the rally), but if you do end up coming, a helmet is the bare minimum I'd advise.
Definitely one without a face cage. Aside from the legal question, it gives people something to grab on to, and getting facemasked will fuck your neck up.
Whats the laws in virginia about keeping guns in your car. i.e. a handgun in the glovebox?
with the changing elements of recent events, I see myself leaving the CCW at home but joining with a knife and/or baton. anyone have a source on them?
Most pocket knives legal? I think theres a pin about it
Scratch that, i dont think there is,
What situation will you be in where you should use a knife but not a gun?
Cutting boxes and rope and stuff?
Needing deadly force while in a crowd. Hypothetically speaking.
@Hand Banana I generally prefer to use a knife when I prepare food
to make sure to pass that stealth mission without setting off any alarms...
If you don't use a gun to dice up your veggies you're a faggot.
God damnit, Leah!! Way to ruin my troll. 😉
Just doing my job. 😉
@Hand Banana when I run out of pepper spray. And there's some talk of having misdemeanor charges like unlawful assembly being upgraded to felonies for merely concealed carrying
This is larpy as shit. We aren't going to have rahowa in the streets of cville
I literally only commented to point out there are situations you'd rather have a knife than a gun. Doubt anyone will need a knife to take care of antifa personally.
A good sturdy club should work just as well.
I hear they melt if you squirt em with soapy water
Knife is infinite ammo why wouldn't you have one
Axe handle > knife
Anything can be considered a weapon if it's used as such. Don;t use it as such and you'll be fine
Self defense insurance info
Note: USCCA insurance covers *all legal weapons* used in a self defense situation, not just guns.
Also the up-front portion of that is important.
So that you're not scrounging shekels hoping to get reimbursed if you win your case
I've been told that using a knife in self defense is mostly illegal to the point of not even being worth bringing one
Yeah knives are messy and juries are more likely to let you off if you shoot some one 3x then they are to let you off if you stab some one 12-20x bung that is how many stabs on average it will take to take some one out
What about Batons?
don't bring anything like that
Asps are generally treated specially and viewed as LE type deals and regulated many times in local ordinances