accepted is a bit of a stretch I think

I didn't say I thought it was right

nah and neither do people really accept it, dictionary nazis be damned

*fake news*

It sounds like someone trying to slowly explain something to you in a condescending manner

I hate being patronized.

"James Damore, a former Google engineer who was fired in August after posting a memo to an internal Google message board arguing that women may not be equally represented in tech because they are biologically less capable of engineering"

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/08/james-damore-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-against-google-saying-it-discriminates-against-white-male-conservatives/

fake news

https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/950252117784133637

It's even the case that non-English sources are blatantly stating Demore claimed women simply are inferior to men in engineering, @Timcast

wow

I think I should do a fake news show

In his memo, he clearly never said that: https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

haven't you just beeing doing a fake news slow for the last few weeks 😃

the washington post would keep him booked for the next few months on content

Apparently the "Ugandan Knuckles" meme is now being deemed racist by Polygon.

it's about as racist as the italian hands meme

Or Pepe.

Hell, the production company of the movie being referenced is retweeting the meme like crazy.

remember guys, all black people are ugandans

according to polygon

@JadenFrostwolf Clearly. Dey do not know deh weh.

Why does Google suggestions include fake/biased news? https://gizmodo.com/conservatives-are-now-getting-angry-about-googles-fact-1821934885

Well, kinda what scares me to be honest.

I mean, one issue people had with NN was censorship.

But i argued that Google also does that, they said it was different.

It's kind of funny.
The same people that got mad at the bakery for not making the cake...
Then turn around when this kind of stuff happens, and then says "but Google/Twitter/Facebook is a private company!!"

But well... Now its just straight up lying

I mean, im more worried about how significant Google is when it comes to us as a culture. Since everyone uses it, it means most of our perspective is filtered through the lens of a corporation as opposed to well, multiple facets

Yeah, I get that, which is why I primarily use stuff that isn't related to Google, for the most part.

I guess I can't post pics here?

In shitposting I think

But dunno bout now, can you post now?

Did you try?

It acts like it is uploaded but doesn't show up

Tried 3 times

Try posting in shitposting for now

Huh, well i use DuckDuckGo

So I have no idea whats going on Google until it pops up on KiA

Well... I get most my news from KiA and some indie journalists like Tim

How often is Snopes actually right considering its funding

I mostly stick to independent creators like Tim, yeah.

Well, for urban myths I used to bilieve

Or politifact for that matter?

But I kept seeing political stuff

I mean, one thing I usually point out is the Snopes entry on Ben Carson

How he supposedly found like what again? 500 something dollars not accounted for?

Listed it as false since the money wasnt there anymore. Basically said it was false since he didny actually find the money, only found that it missing.

Lol, even had the gall to tell me that the site was listed as unbiased.

Yeah that is doubtful. Look at any fact-checking they did on Hillary and see how true it actually is

Still, I had to give up my reliance on supposed fact checkers

They write almost an entire article on proving a statement true and then in their summary they say well there's this one little tiny bit that is not 100% accurate so the whole article is false

The only fact checker I trust is myself also

lol, i bought into too many falsehoods that I dont even know

I used to be supportive of leftist policies until I learnt how they do not work.

The blowback effect is humungous.

Oh many leftist policies will work you just have to pay 200% more taxes

Not to mention Bernie's idea of a one payer medical system. I would hate to see our tax level after that went into effect

How does every other western nation manage to pull it off, then?

Being really homogenous?

Their medical system isn't as good as ours because there isn't any need for competition

Culturally especially

I mean, look at most european countries, most countries are mostly homogenous cuturally and ethnically.

So, you're saying ethnostates work? <:hmkGrin:284219474440355840>

In the US its not as easy to implement a one size fits all basically.

Or comparing a US country with heaps of different demographics financially, culturally, and geographically.

To a country thats mostly urbanized under one culture.

Just look up some old Bernie videos before he went communist and he will explain it himself how the one payer medical system would essentially bankrupt America

I'm not quite sure with what homogeneity has to do with anything...?

I mean, dont get me wrong I think its nice to ensure that all of the citizens get healthcare, especially lifesaving or life altering ones like chemo or dentist work.

But the man who lives his life without smoking or drinking will be taxed extra to compensate for the fatass who eats 5 big macs a meal and chugs down Mountain Dew like water.

Why does a welfare system have to exist at all? Why does the government require us to provide charity when it would be more effective to be handled on a one-to-one basis?

That's how health insurance works. The healthy subsidize the sick.

But it does not make it right in their eyes.

At least Health Insurance is an opt in system.

But you cant opt out of taxes.

And that is how you end up paying for everybody being sick is through taxes on a one payer system

i mean, I cant blame anyone for being against giving up more of their income to compensate for another person's mistakes.

We pay for fire service, though.

And police.

through local taxes

Paying for someone else's mistakes when it comes to a fire starting is fine?

not federal

Why does that matter?

a one payer would be another federal tax

You're not having to also then give insurance companies money, though, since your health coverage comes through taxes. It's not like you're paying it through taxes and then also giving medical companies and hospitals boatloads of money.

There's no such thing as being slapped with a medical bill that you have to spend the rest of your life paying off, because you have the audacity to actually get sick or hurt.

I mean he has a point, the US medical system is a farce

And well, we can also lump in alot of unfortunate circumstances, like car accidents or well, accidents in general

https://youtu.be/kahCrnqqhAM Bernie Sanders saying 'Single payer Medicaid would bankrupt nation'

with people who put themselves in said situations

And you don't get cases of someone's insurance turning down their cancer treatment because she had acne as a teenager.

So, arguing against socialized healthcare? I dont see why we are arguing

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What? I was talking about private insurance companies.

Since they're for-profit.

And the discussion started with how leftist policies tend to require more taxes to support

And Kane used the example of Healthcare

Yeah, I'm not denying that lol. I just think healthcare would be one of those things people wouldn't mind paying a bit extra in taxes for.

was I false?

maybe some but not all

Well, I can see why, but I think most people jsut want to pay less in general.

But thats just me, and it is wrong of me to assume the same of everyone.

And well.. I was also trying to rationalize why people wouldnt be in support of well.. More taxes for healthcare

I doubt there are people out there looking to pay the most for something just to pay more for the same

I guess it would be if I trusted most people to be responsible healthy adults and the people running it to be efficient

then ask yourself, is the government efficient?

Lol, hell no

Well, with very few exceptions

No, of course not lol.

I could name a few I considered efficient

only those that trust the gov want to give their health over to them

But thats only opinion

I am curious, which?

Actually just Singapore, but I am sure they have their issues as well

Problem is, its a very tiny country, with well no notable physical exports.

ah, but that would be because they are much smaller and can micromanage everything

exactly.

I don't like it, but frankly, I do think it would be slightly better than our healthcare system as it is right now.

I mean, I am not american but Ill speak from what I assume would be my perspective if I were one

So, you're in a country that does have it then?

then everyone would be on the same level so the wait times would be very long for simple or complex prosedures

Not at all.

Wait times are a myth.

We pay way less in taxes. But then thats also cause our govt does not do much for us.

They're for elective procedures.

If you need emergency care, you are going to get it.

Is this just the US or something else?

I mean, id like the context here

I was speaking for the US, myself.

Ah fair.

I am pretty sure that the hospital does not put everyone on the same line

well I hope so.

Jaden's hypothetical medical system

for one payer

he didnt say anything about that situation

And its hypothetical if we had one payer.

One thing that contributes to the 'wait time' thing is the fact that so many illegal aliens go to the hospital and take up space in the ER, I think.

But that happens here anyway as it is.

Cali?

yes emergency care would be top priority but look at canada and how they come down here for HC

Hmm, I guess its a hope that more taxes would make the system more efficient.

that is a liberal point of view

But we are more worried of the money being used on treatment rather than improving what you guys got.

the only thing we go to the US for is cosmetic and experimental treatment lol

and the left is where you find most of the liberals so again we prove the left is not cost effective 😉

To be honest, I am not certain in terms of efficiency, but the fact is no one really brings it up in the US except for a select few. They would rather just let people go bankrupt trying to pay for medical expenses themselves.

up here, cosmetic surgeries that have nothing to do with health or life have a wait time

for example, people that want their tonsils and adenoids taken out for the soul reason that they just want them out, have a wait time, whereas myself, I had no wait time because the infection they were harboring in my face was slowly rotting my face. In this case, I was in within the week.

I mean, the same in NZ, my dad would complain about the Chinese nationals who come to NZ for the free treatment. I was one of the chinese who got a PR, but even my Dad does not want the free treatment. Id be lying if I said I didnt feel the same.

Up to 45,000 people a year in the US die from a lack of healthcare, according to a 2009 study.
Do you know what that number is in Canada? 0.
The number in France? 0.
The number in the UK? 0.

The list goes on.

And that is in 2009. I don't know what the number is today. Could be higher, could be lower.

How much of that can be blamed on the government's management of healthcare

As it is right now the government doesn't manage any of it, to my knowledge. Our healthcare is privatized.

and compare the size diffferences in those countries vs the US

Hmm reminds me of that writer actually

You guys heard of ahh fuck

Sirname was Cook

cant remember his first name, but it was like John or James, criminal thriller writer

Was a doctor so most of his writings were based on conspiracies around the US medical system

I tihnk it was james Cook

The population as a whole shouldn't matter, since a bigger population would -in theory- give a proportionate amount in taxes. The issue here is people on welfare/jobless, and illegals who avoid paying taxes.

I mean I remember enjoying his books.

People who avoid taxes yet still benefit from the system.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the number was higher in the US than in other countries, but that's a failure in enforcing tax codes and from deductions/subsidies.

if anything the US should go to a One-Tax system where the only tax is sales tax on non-consumables

then there is no way to avoid taxes

and I mean tax non-food items

I mean, I didnt want to buy into the hysterian, like when everythings so shit, that you have the delusion that anythign could be better.

you have to tax everything, or else you loose more than you gain

Well, there's also the fact that the US can most definitely be spending it's tax dollars better, no argument here.

We have over 800 military bases around the world, for example.

We don't need that many.

And well, that there are alot of inefficiencies in the system

how many times does your money get taxed?

The wall is one such solution

Several.

I am pro-wall

Taxes are taken out on income, and every time you buy/sell an item.

Well, being here makes you altright lol

why tax a dollar several times? instead charge it once and be done

here, we pay 13 cents on every dollar spent, and we have income tax taken off that we get back later

I heard that you pay an amount and they decide to tell you later whether or not you paid enough

in the Us

but we have taxes on everything except for fresh food items

is it that bad?

yes @GingaBomber

you don't get charged taxes for fresh fruits, veggies, meats, and other basics

I'm really not too familiar with our tax system, myself. Sometimes you overpay and get more money back, sometimes you get a phone call from the IRS telling you that you owe them 5000 dollars.

in the US it depends on the state

State plays a part, yeah.

So different tax brackets per state?

I assumed the US had the same in every state?

abd if you don't pay enough they send you to jail till you pay it off

Like with that new tax plan.

Like, food items altogether are not taxed in California, whereas in Georgia only *fresh* food items are not taxes, if I remember correctly. Even if I am not, it's along those lines.

I assumed it will be implemented in every state

there is a federal tax nation wide then there is a state level then a city level

Ah I see

I'm not too familiar with th enew tax plan, either. lol

How the fuck man. So the average man for example. Of the money he recieves, how much of it goes to the govt?

so why tax our money so much?

Dunno really, I only heard good things of the new plan

about 30-40% by the end of the year

But then I already said I listen to more conservative sources

Well, it doesn't seem like a lot at face value, but if you actually add it all up some people can get taxed as high as about... I think 45%?

Thats almost european level of taxes.

With none of the benefits. lol

if you own property it is worse than renting

I mean, they should probably treat the govt like a buisness, if you want people to willingly give you money, provide a better service.

and a 20t debt

Instead of forcing everyone to pay the higher taxes.

And giving tax reductions to the wealthy.

that is why I say a one sales tax... no income tax no property tax... simple math

Which sounds good on paper, but it requires us to just "trust" that the companies/corporations will use that money to actually provide jobs instead of just pocketing it.

I mean, penalizing companies for going overseas was kinda one step

the tax deductions are about the same accross the board

Or providing incentives to those who stay

And if you trust the wealthy to not just pocket the money, you have far more faith in them than I do lol.

Well... I am from a wealthy family here so I kinda do.

rich don't become rich by hoarding

I know, it's through investing.

they become rich by investing and keeping the money fresh

And i can say, they just happened to work really hard and invested intelligently.

Maybe its the perspective some people have of the rich?

yes

Like of the people in the US, which side hates the rich more?

Do you respect them or do you envy them

the entitled people hate the rich because they want it for themselves

That sort of thing

I didn't mean to come off as "the rich are the sources of all of our problems!" kind of person. I am just saying that I don't trust companies any more than I trust the government.

all profit for no work

you really can't hate the rich, they work hard and then work even harder to understand what to invest in, you have to be smart to gain that kind of money

No you didnt, but I wanted to know if some policies were based off that

I agree jaden

I mean that happened in Ukraine

look at how many celebrities have millions while in their prime, only to die in massive debt

when they blamed all the ills on the farmers.

blaim is equal imo the hoarders are the ones you have to worry about

if they are good people you will know by how they treat the people under them

@JadenFrostwolf do you think the rich deserve a tax break also?

I mean, there are the borgoeise rich and then theres the hard workers

I don't know.

Many of the wealthy were already getting plenty in subsidies and deductions.

https://youtu.be/c1E4sQzEcR8 White House Uses Beer Drinking Story To Explain Tax Cuts

Dunno as well, but if there would be a tax cut, id probably do a company wide tax cut, of which there are already pleanty

If everyone else is as well, I don't see why not.

The only other cut you could do that would benefit everyone is an income tax cut