for one payer

he didnt say anything about that situation

And its hypothetical if we had one payer.

One thing that contributes to the 'wait time' thing is the fact that so many illegal aliens go to the hospital and take up space in the ER, I think.

But that happens here anyway as it is.

Cali?

yes emergency care would be top priority but look at canada and how they come down here for HC

Hmm, I guess its a hope that more taxes would make the system more efficient.

that is a liberal point of view

But we are more worried of the money being used on treatment rather than improving what you guys got.

the only thing we go to the US for is cosmetic and experimental treatment lol

and the left is where you find most of the liberals so again we prove the left is not cost effective 😉

To be honest, I am not certain in terms of efficiency, but the fact is no one really brings it up in the US except for a select few. They would rather just let people go bankrupt trying to pay for medical expenses themselves.

up here, cosmetic surgeries that have nothing to do with health or life have a wait time

for example, people that want their tonsils and adenoids taken out for the soul reason that they just want them out, have a wait time, whereas myself, I had no wait time because the infection they were harboring in my face was slowly rotting my face. In this case, I was in within the week.

I mean, the same in NZ, my dad would complain about the Chinese nationals who come to NZ for the free treatment. I was one of the chinese who got a PR, but even my Dad does not want the free treatment. Id be lying if I said I didnt feel the same.

Up to 45,000 people a year in the US die from a lack of healthcare, according to a 2009 study.
Do you know what that number is in Canada? 0.
The number in France? 0.
The number in the UK? 0.

The list goes on.

And that is in 2009. I don't know what the number is today. Could be higher, could be lower.

How much of that can be blamed on the government's management of healthcare

As it is right now the government doesn't manage any of it, to my knowledge. Our healthcare is privatized.

and compare the size diffferences in those countries vs the US

Hmm reminds me of that writer actually

You guys heard of ahh fuck

Sirname was Cook

cant remember his first name, but it was like John or James, criminal thriller writer

Was a doctor so most of his writings were based on conspiracies around the US medical system

I tihnk it was james Cook

The population as a whole shouldn't matter, since a bigger population would -in theory- give a proportionate amount in taxes. The issue here is people on welfare/jobless, and illegals who avoid paying taxes.

I mean I remember enjoying his books.

People who avoid taxes yet still benefit from the system.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the number was higher in the US than in other countries, but that's a failure in enforcing tax codes and from deductions/subsidies.

if anything the US should go to a One-Tax system where the only tax is sales tax on non-consumables

then there is no way to avoid taxes

and I mean tax non-food items

I mean, I didnt want to buy into the hysterian, like when everythings so shit, that you have the delusion that anythign could be better.

you have to tax everything, or else you loose more than you gain

Well, there's also the fact that the US can most definitely be spending it's tax dollars better, no argument here.

We have over 800 military bases around the world, for example.

We don't need that many.

And well, that there are alot of inefficiencies in the system