Boy.

You're not even trying.

**DABS**

sorry

we're you saying something

couldn't hear anything from my crippling autism

I'm sorry.

i want to die

cayse being a professional street nig is hard

I understand.

**I HAVE MORE LAYERS OF IRONY THAN I HAVE CHINS**

If someone was truly happy, they would die of dehydration.

edgelord faggot

too edgy to have any fun

I didn't choose this life.

faggot

stop being edgy

neither did i

We are like ships passing in the night.

"we are like ships passing in the night. wow im so edgy, my soul is but a flash of light in the endless sea that is the universe i am worthless. god someone please pay attention to me

no one likes me because they do not understand the pain that i feel

ughhh

"

faggot

kys

Thank you, fellow traveller. You somehow know me well.

i know you well because you're a stock edgy faggot

i've met your kind before

I am many things.

Wow.

Good, I hope Poland gets it

G*rmans need to pay

https://discord.gg/xR3Czjt

https://discord.gg/VzbR4G

@squidward 4 communism >IFUNNY

https://steemit.com/tattoo/@benjy87/and-the-story-goes-on-part-two

any socialists here#

Yeah

what am i not allowed to do

under socialism

Wdym

am i allowed to hire someone

Depends on what type of socialism

it isn't an economic system itself, it's a group of them

which is the most popular

I'd say communism

but that's more of an end goal

can i start my own business and hire someone

Well there's a type called market socialism

where you could start a co-operative

where basically all the workers democratically manage the business rather than an individual

is that equivalent to a business partnership

like one of these

https://www.gov.uk/set-up-business-partnership

Not sure but there are already co-operatives that already exist in this capitalist system

this for example

https://vooruit.be/en/information/detail/36/Monument_history

or this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

can i fire people in that

I'm honestly not sure how that would work

I'm not really a market socialist though

what're u

Communist but still haven't really read much or thought about the theory of achieving it

Oh yeah here's another co-op

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egged_(company)

https://youtu.be/qku2WZ7aRYw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cooperatives

@Deicidium What are you ideologically?

libertarian transhumanist

left or right libertarian?

right

xD

@Deicidium Basically socialism is many systems based on social ownership

Everybody thinks socialism only took place in the USSR, China, or Cuba

which was really just a janked planned economy and shit

If you want better examples, there's revolutionary Catalonia, the Ukranian free territory, Rojava

isnt capitalism social ownership

since anyone can buy shares

What do shares have to do with social ownership?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ownership

came here to learn how such a system would work

i still have no idea

Well, I can probably answer a good amount of questions

i know how our world works, i know what i'm allowed to do: anything really

except pay someone less than minimum wage

or contract them for too many hours

what am i not allowed to do that am allowed to do now ?

Are we talking in terms of market socialism?

your brand

I'm not really any specific type, I'm just broadly socialist and anti-capitalist

Since you're talking about wages and such

of freedom really

again, businesses would not be owned by individuals, they would be owned by the workers

doesnt that mean u cant fire people

Workers are individuals.

why is the leftist cancer still here

Well I mean it wouldn't be owned by individuals in the sense of a capitalist system

@Deicidium I figure they could vote to fire specific employees

same with hiring them

@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of socialist system? What is that?

I'm talking about market socialism

So am I denied the freedom of forming a contract with Bob that says he operates my machine and I pay him until either of us terminates the agreement ?

where it's still a market system, but owned and managed by the workers

@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of market system?

I already explained, you wouldn't manage the business as an individual, it's managed by the workers @Deicidium

@olev How is that possible?

How is what possible?

I'm not arguing for it, just from it

how it would work

How?

So I am denied the freedom, correct ?

Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?

Yes

But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion

@olev Market without ownership? Who is going to trade in it?

denied the freedom to trade my own capital

for someone else's labour

@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?

@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?

The workers own it

Who?

Which?

The workers

the people that work there

Do they have a share of business?

I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work

How do they trade?

You buy stuff?

Who if you don't own it?

Buying stuff without owning it?

You buy products/services from businesses

with money

Who decides what business trade?

Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage

So the specialists and managers has no say in it?

I don't think managers would exist

I don't have all the answers, I'm not a market socialist

Who is going to manage than?

The workers

i've said this like 10 times

Are they trained for that?

I mean I don't know if they'd be trained by the business after getting hired or what

Well, good manager needs 10+ years of experience

Maybe business can't train all?

Yeah that's a potential problem

Is an existing problem.

Is not potential.

Ask a market socialist I guess

I might be able to answer, what is the question?

wouldn't really indentify as a marksoc but I'll try

Well, basically the problem is that managers specialize in their position

but if it's owned and managed by the workers, wouldn't them not having experience be a problem

it doesn't have to be managed by the workers

a democratic country isn't managed by the citizens

the citizens have control to elect their "managers" (politicians)

Works well every time.

likewise a worker has influece over who to be manager

Trump, Hitler and Chruschev can confirm

Well I know the Mondragon corporation in Spain has managers

and there's a wage ratio for workers to managers

the difference between the owner and the worker choosing the manager is somewhat analogous to dictaorship/democracy

also by democracy, I don't neccesarily mean democracy like it is in the west, I mean actual democracy

Apparently Yugoslavia was market socialist

But somehow also all state owned 🤔

I don't know very much about yugoslavia. To my knowledge it wasn't state owned

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@Deleted User @Timo))) Yeah I hope it succeeds. We demand sum monies for Ribbentrop-Molotov.

In my opinion denazification should nullify any reparations that were to be paid

either keep the shekel payers or get your shekels

you can't just turn the shekel payers into shekel payer haters and expect them the pay shekels

^^

@Sampuka What are you ideologically?

@olev unspecific, radical leftist

@Ｒｉｔｉｋ Try http://reddit.com/r/Kampuchea

@Ｒｉｔｉｋ

I still don't quite understad why the hell Gayreece got their shekels, but not us. Like, what the natsies even did there lol.

tfw a left wing server is 1/3rd natsoc

<:thonking:275409653842837517> I guess... That means they're leftists too?

and me

the literal reincarnation of hitler

just look at this

literally fucking hitler

lolbert?

amirite

They're highly authoritarian and only left leaning

not that far from the center for economics

@Big Ounce I think you're closer to Ron Paul than Hitlor lol.

In my self-invented brand of market Socialism

yes

the elected manager can fire people but may be vetoed by the worker's council

meH

@Vic Chong How it's different from Titoism and Bukharinism?

@Vic Chong sounds like you invented Chruschevism and Trotskiesm.

>Khrushchevism

<:mgthonk:355804331556995093>

🤔

Different newfound dialects are always interesting

Damn I still have problems spelling his lastname. Why are Ukrainian lastnams so damn hard.

Oh yeah did you knew Khrushchev and Gorbachev were Ukrainians, lol.

rly

based

nigger

Where?

@National Trotskyist >Ukraine being a legitimate ethnicity and country

lets become tin soldiers

for our godless church

@elegy#9124 A godless church? You speak of madness.

Godless Church? The Cult of Golden Fedora and Dawking?

Those are meme religions, they are not meant to be taken seriously.

Fyeah Argentina will be the whitest American country finally

How will white nationalists find meaning if they are the last of their race and nation?

@Deleted User It is simple, they use meaning from the past.

And then when they die, it will be as if they never existed.

That remains to be seen.

If you whole meaning in life is something that will fade away, what will you do when there is nothing left, where will you get your meaning?

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@Deleted User Is it possible for an extinct animal to come back?

@Deleted User Yes, through scientific methods it is possible and has happened.

What happens with the white genetic program fails?

Can you rephrase that?

👀

Nothing lasts forever. White nationalists are putting faith in an imperfect idea which can be ripped away at any moment.

Is that to say there are perfect idea's?

A perfect idea, yes. A perfect reality, no.

Then wouldn't a so called perfect idea with the goal of making a perfect reality be imperfect due to it being impossibe?

No. Being that perfect idea is self-caused. Like the Absolute or God.

Monotheism is literally the perfect idea.

It is the perfect reality, but cannot be reached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_(philosophy)

So unless you hold the Absolute idea, then you have to accept that all ideas are equally meaningless, since they will all fade away.

Why is <#308950154222895104> a nsfw channel?

Can't some ideas be closer to the truth @Deleted User

It's a 0 or 1 type of situation. There is the Absolute, then there is everything else.

@I have Moved Some people used to post Stoya.