or contract them for too many hours

what am i not allowed to do that am allowed to do now ?

Are we talking in terms of market socialism?

your brand

I'm not really any specific type, I'm just broadly socialist and anti-capitalist

Since you're talking about wages and such

of freedom really

again, businesses would not be owned by individuals, they would be owned by the workers

doesnt that mean u cant fire people

Workers are individuals.

why is the leftist cancer still here

Well I mean it wouldn't be owned by individuals in the sense of a capitalist system

@Deicidium I figure they could vote to fire specific employees

same with hiring them

@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of socialist system? What is that?

I'm talking about market socialism

So am I denied the freedom of forming a contract with Bob that says he operates my machine and I pay him until either of us terminates the agreement ?

where it's still a market system, but owned and managed by the workers

@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of market system?

I already explained, you wouldn't manage the business as an individual, it's managed by the workers @Deicidium

@olev How is that possible?

How is what possible?

I'm not arguing for it, just from it

how it would work

How?

So I am denied the freedom, correct ?

Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?

Yes

But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion

@olev Market without ownership? Who is going to trade in it?

denied the freedom to trade my own capital

for someone else's labour

@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?

@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?

The workers own it

Who?

Which?

The workers

the people that work there

Do they have a share of business?

I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work