why is the leftist cancer still here

Well I mean it wouldn't be owned by individuals in the sense of a capitalist system

@Deicidium I figure they could vote to fire specific employees

same with hiring them

@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of socialist system? What is that?

I'm talking about market socialism

So am I denied the freedom of forming a contract with Bob that says he operates my machine and I pay him until either of us terminates the agreement ?

where it's still a market system, but owned and managed by the workers

@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of market system?

I already explained, you wouldn't manage the business as an individual, it's managed by the workers @Deicidium

@olev How is that possible?

How is what possible?

I'm not arguing for it, just from it

how it would work

How?

So I am denied the freedom, correct ?

Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?

Yes

But again I don't know how that'd even work without some massive coercion

@olev Market without ownership? Who is going to trade in it?

denied the freedom to trade my own capital

for someone else's labour

@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?

@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?

The workers own it

Who?

Which?

The workers

the people that work there

Do they have a share of business?

I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work

How do they trade?

You buy stuff?

Who if you don't own it?

Buying stuff without owning it?

You buy products/services from businesses

with money

Who decides what business trade?

Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage

So the specialists and managers has no say in it?

I don't think managers would exist