Message from @olev

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2017-09-13 17:52:46 UTC  

@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?

2017-09-13 17:53:37 UTC  

The workers own it

2017-09-13 17:53:42 UTC  

Who?

2017-09-13 17:53:44 UTC  

Which?

2017-09-13 17:53:45 UTC  

The workers

2017-09-13 17:53:47 UTC  

the people that work there

2017-09-13 17:54:02 UTC  

Do they have a share of business?

2017-09-13 17:54:31 UTC  

I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work

2017-09-13 17:54:46 UTC  

How do they trade?

2017-09-13 17:55:06 UTC  

You buy stuff?

2017-09-13 17:55:15 UTC  

Who if you don't own it?

2017-09-13 17:55:53 UTC  

Buying stuff without owning it?

2017-09-13 17:56:22 UTC  

You buy products/services from businesses

2017-09-13 17:56:25 UTC  

with money

2017-09-13 17:56:57 UTC  

Who decides what business trade?

2017-09-13 17:57:23 UTC  

Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage

2017-09-13 17:57:53 UTC  

So the specialists and managers has no say in it?

2017-09-13 17:58:14 UTC  

I don't think managers would exist

2017-09-13 17:58:23 UTC  

I don't have all the answers, I'm not a market socialist

2017-09-13 17:58:29 UTC  

Who is going to manage than?

2017-09-13 17:58:37 UTC  

The workers

2017-09-13 17:58:40 UTC  

i've said this like 10 times

2017-09-13 17:58:47 UTC  

Are they trained for that?

2017-09-13 17:59:16 UTC  

I mean I don't know if they'd be trained by the business after getting hired or what

2017-09-13 17:59:43 UTC  

Well, good manager needs 10+ years of experience

2017-09-13 17:59:53 UTC  

Maybe business can't train all?

2017-09-13 17:59:55 UTC  

Yeah that's a potential problem

2017-09-13 18:00:12 UTC  

Is an existing problem.

2017-09-13 18:00:16 UTC  

Is not potential.

2017-09-13 18:00:27 UTC  

Ask a market socialist I guess

2017-09-13 18:01:04 UTC  

I might be able to answer, what is the question?

2017-09-13 18:01:21 UTC  

wouldn't really indentify as a marksoc but I'll try

2017-09-13 18:01:35 UTC  

Well, basically the problem is that managers specialize in their position

2017-09-13 18:01:59 UTC  

but if it's owned and managed by the workers, wouldn't them not having experience be a problem

2017-09-13 18:02:16 UTC  

it doesn't have to be managed by the workers

2017-09-13 18:02:28 UTC  

a democratic country isn't managed by the citizens

2017-09-13 18:02:50 UTC  

the citizens have control to elect their "managers" (politicians)

2017-09-13 18:03:02 UTC  

Works well every time.

2017-09-13 18:03:05 UTC  

likewise a worker has influece over who to be manager

2017-09-13 18:03:19 UTC  

Trump, Hitler and Chruschev can confirm

2017-09-13 18:03:20 UTC  

Well I know the Mondragon corporation in Spain has managers