Message from @olev
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doesnt that mean u cant fire people
Workers are individuals.
why is the leftist cancer still here
Well I mean it wouldn't be owned by individuals in the sense of a capitalist system
@Deicidium I figure they could vote to fire specific employees
same with hiring them
@olev Ownership by individuals in a sense of socialist system? What is that?
I'm talking about market socialism
So am I denied the freedom of forming a contract with Bob that says he operates my machine and I pay him until either of us terminates the agreement ?
where it's still a market system, but owned and managed by the workers
I already explained, you wouldn't manage the business as an individual, it's managed by the workers @Deicidium
How is what possible?
I'm not arguing for it, just from it
how it would work
How?
So I am denied the freedom, correct ?
Denied the freedom of owning a business as an individual?
Yes
denied the freedom to trade my own capital
for someone else's labour
@Firefly#9983 What do you mean without ownership?
@olev If individual does not own things to trade who is going to trade on the market?
The workers own it
Who?
Which?
The workers
the people that work there
Do they have a share of business?
I'm not really sure how wages are supposed to work
How do they trade?
You buy stuff?
Who if you don't own it?
Buying stuff without owning it?
You buy products/services from businesses
with money
Who decides what business trade?
Again I've already said that the workers as a whole democratically decide/manage